UPDATE: MDE EXCLUSIVE: ARE DORAN'S U.S. SENATE BILLBOARDS ILLEGAL?
Thanks to another dedicated reader of Minnesota Democrats Exposed, Inside Source, my post on Kelly Doran's billboards just got more interesting:
"I called the Campaign Finance Board regarding the Doran billboards. While he was relunctant to give an 'official opinion' on the matter and emphasized that he would have to know which campaign paid for what, he did say that the billboards should be taken down or modified with the proper office being sought in a 'reasonable time frame'. When I asked if 31 days (that is how long it has been since the announcement of the switch to Govenor) was beyond a reasonable time frame, he said 'it is getting very close'.
I'm willing to cut Doran some slack, mostly because I can't wait for him to beat the shiite out of Hatch. But if they are still up on November 3rd, someone will probably file a complaint. That someone is most likely Mike Hatch.
k.d."
"I called the Campaign Finance Board regarding the Doran billboards. While he was relunctant to give an 'official opinion' on the matter and emphasized that he would have to know which campaign paid for what, he did say that the billboards should be taken down or modified with the proper office being sought in a 'reasonable time frame'. When I asked if 31 days (that is how long it has been since the announcement of the switch to Govenor) was beyond a reasonable time frame, he said 'it is getting very close'.
I'm willing to cut Doran some slack, mostly because I can't wait for him to beat the shiite out of Hatch. But if they are still up on November 3rd, someone will probably file a complaint. That someone is most likely Mike Hatch.
k.d."
16 Comments:
Isn't "inside_source's" credibility gone now that Hatch has declared for gov?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Any questions?
I don't really get it. Does Doran Senate Committee still rent the signs? I am assuming that the committee signed a contract. Did it expire? If so, who then is responsible? Doran for Senate which is gone, Doran for Governor or the Billboard Company? If the contract has expired, then wouldn't the billboard company be in violation of campaign finance laws (corporate contribution?)? If the contract did not expire, does the contract then belong to Doran for Gov? I think that there is a lot of missing info here to determine the legality and who would be responsible.
I think the likelihood here is that his contract expired at the end of September and the Billboard company just hasn't gotten around to changing them.
MDE said...
Any questions?
Just one...why didn't you give Teddy credit for that quote? You are normally so good at giving credit! (Sorry, just had to tease you a little!)
Mr Jordan is correct, kind of.
Contract expired in September with the Kelly Doran for Senate campaign.
That space was the rented to the Kelly Doran for Governor Campaign.
Maybe the same guy, but for legalities, it is two seperate entities.
Rather the Doran for Governor campaign has gotten around to the wording on the billboard is of no consequence, unless it still says Senate.
Shark.bait: Good point, my mistake.
Teddy Roosevelt, a true Progressive. You guys can't be swayed by Teddy.
Although he became president because of the assassination of McKinley in 1901, he was nothing like the hero of todays conservatives and his boss. Throughout both terms, Roosevelt disappointed Republican conservatives by pressing hard for a variety of reforms.
He increased railroad regulation and sought protection of the nation's food and drug supplies.
He shocked his party by threatening management in order to settle an ongoing coal strike(siding with the workers). His programs of protection of public lands drew both praise from what we call environmentalists and criticism from corporate interest, or what we would call Republicans.
Roosevelt received great public supoprt with his Trust-busting initiatives, starting with him putting his foot to the ass of J.P Morgan's Northern Securities Company.
The Republicans turned on him and tried to blame the panic of 1907 on him and his progressive policies, but those policies were the beginnings of major bank reform, which were continued by Democrats and credited with saving the banking industry decades later.
Some more quotes from TR:
"Let the watchwords of all our people be the old familiar watchwords of honesty, decency, fair-dealing, and commonsense."... "We must treat each man on his worth and merits as a man. We must see that each is given a square deal, because he is entitled to no more and should receive no less.""The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
New York State Fair, Syracuse, September 7, 1903
"A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled, and less than that no man shall have."
Speech to veterans, Springfield, IL, July 4, 1903
"We demand that big business give the people a square deal; in return we must insist that when anyone engaged in big business honestly endeavors to do right he shall himself be given a square deal."
Letter to Sir Edward Gray, November 15, 1913
What in hell are you doing admiring such a man. He's one of my favorites.
Hey Stpaul_Dink! I was in Chicago yesterday, so I missed your invite.
E-mail me tjswift@yahoo.com for directions.
Can't wait!
Just be at Yanereally's on the Eastside (Maryland and Payne) at 7:35. its a bar and you'll know me when I walk in. Jeans, brown shirt, black leather jacket, your name on the end of my foot.
7:35..at a bar?
How about you meet me for a nice workout right now. Cherokee park right across the Smith street bridge at the pavilion is a very peaceful spot.
I'm waiting dink.
Not in the bar, the parking lot. Many titles have been won and lost back there.
Seriously, not going to happen. The moment you see me, you'll recognize me and so ends the cover.
Gotta put my pride behind me and remember that I do a lot more sticking up for my Party on here than I would kicking you in one night, and then being 'exposed'.
First local then the national news would be interviewing us about this new internet rage that is happening. You'll be on Fox News and I'll be on MSNBC by the end of next week.
Being anonymous has its advantages as MDE can attest to. You have to focus on the argument instead of the man. That's the bigger picture.
So, go ahead, start with the names,. DooFaLoofus, DFLoser, etc.., you don't need help. I can take it.
Know this, its been about three years since you made my list of people who need their asses kicked, including some of the ridiculus crud you currently write on the St Paul issues forum- although a couple of people seem to have your number and check you everytime. We'll have our dance in the near future, but not soon.
No, Tommie, its not going to happen. Yesterday-yep. Today- cooler heads have prevailed.
later swiftless.
Pfft.
Like I said in the beginning MDE, you have nothing to worry about when it comes to these keyboard commando's.
As for you dink...you should have thought this through more before you fucked up and made a threat.
Too late to make excuses now.
I'll be seeing you sooner than you think pal.
Dude, if you confront me- that's fine. I'm just not going to initiate anything.
Listen Swiftless, I'm still quite certain that whipping your ass would be like cheating on a test, sure it'll be easy but not fulfilling.
Since you don't know me, I'm in control of when that will happen. I say it will happen later.
I didn't fuck up when I threatened to kick your ass, I just haven't decided when its going to happen. And if you think I scare easily- your friend Mr Berg will fill you in the contrary.
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