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Was out for the weekend or would have responded sooner.

JimJ am I to take it that you don’t want me posting here because I’m not extreme enough for you to hammer on? Sounds like you are mad because you perceive me as a moderate?

Comment by jimj — August 19, 2006 @ 12:24 pm ***

I don’t know, but this was me:

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“Ethical Journalism”, and other urban myths.

Judging by the title of this post, “DFL Fires Dud At Day”, the real message of the alleged “story” in the Strib goes unrecognized again.

A press release is issued on Thursday; a “story” is run on Friday morning. What do readers actually know after reading the Strib’s story? Readers know that there was an allegation, and a denial, and that’s about it. In other words, this “story” raised more questions than it answered. Here’s my main question I asked after reading this alleged piece of “journalism”: “Is there any basis for the allegation of impropriety?” let alone the follow up: “are there any Democrats doing the same thing?”

This “story”, as reported by the Strib, is but one more shoddy example of what passes for journalism these days: “He said; she said” with no real journalism, and any follow-up merely consisting of “more of the same”.

IMNSHO, the Strib should have investigated the issues raised, and then either a) decided there was merit and offered Senator Day an opportunity to respond, or b) decided there was NO merit, and ignore it.

Both options “a)” and “b)”, of course, would require actual journalistic effort.

Which, of course, is probably why the Strib went with option c), which is: publish a “he said; she said” article, and who cares if more questions are unanswered than answered? After all, a bomb has exploded, allowing more opportunities for lazy, shoddy journalism!

The c) option, which appears to be the preferred option taken by the vast majority of the media, only encourages more bombs to be tossed. Until ALL parties express their outrage at what passes as “journalism”, we can only expect more bombs to be thrown. Why? The media is going to run with them, regardless of merit.

This type of “journalism” has led to the collapse of credibility of the media.

Tommy Johnson

Comment by TwoPuttTommy — April 17, 2006 @ 4:25 pm
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See http://www.minnesotademocratsexposed.com/page/24/

not to put to fine a point on it, but yer talking out yer rear end – that is, acting like a kos-ite. Attempted demeaning labeling is a typical lefty tactic. I’m pretty new here, but I’ve been reliably anti-stupid-left for years now, and here. I’m taking part in a discussion board. I have no idea what you’re talking about with Dick Day.

Tactics and attitude say a lot abotu a political perspecitve, I’ve decided, and the preponderance of that kind of categorizing and jeering – what’s up with the all CAPS on the names – is why I left the left.

I agree… probably the first time I’ve agreed with anything you’ve written!

President Bush is very loyal to his staff. Someone who wasn’t loyal would have hung Karl Rove out to dry a long time ago. President Clinton hung people out to dry all the time. Lani Guinere anyone?

No…Most righties would be smart enough to realize that keeping him around is an unneeded distraction from the campaign that hurts their electoral chances…

Amen. And if Brian or Roving Hypocrite agrees, that’s even more evidence that the opposite is true.

Kline has every right to be critical. Is it worth the effort? I don’t know…

But, it is fair to ask Rowley if she supports that possition as well.

Regardless, it was a calculated distortion to blame Coleen Rowley.

And I actually think it is refreshing in this day and age of politics to stand by someone who works for you and bravely state that you have people work for you that you don’t always agree with, but then that’s what democracy is about.

We’ve probably gotten as far with this issue as we’re going to get. Sure we’ll have something new to chew on next week.

Since Eva seems to be left-leaning, the opposite would be right-leaning… congratulations Eva!

I agree with Eva. Good on Rowley for this call. Not only strong, principled, but loyal to boot.

Betcha most righties would hang their staff out to dry.

Agreed. Service is honorable. Leave Kline’s military record alone.

Where would we be if people stopped wanting to do military service?

OK, pal. That’s over the top. Speaking as one who has gone there. (NO, not there!)

The only sane Democrats here or on Bailey’s Kos post were the ones saying that he should have fallen on a sword for her. The fact of the matter is that as long as David Bailey is on her campaign, his behavior and his position on drugs will continue to be an issue.

I’m sorry that Bailey got his feelings hurt, but if you play with fire, you’re gonna get burned.

He had a website attacking Kline, wrote a bunch of letters questioning Kline’s integrity, writes on Coleen Rowley’s webpage accusing Kline of bribery, corruption, and other not-so-nice things, and he got caught trying to spy on their office…

But when Kline puts out 2 factual lit pieces explaining real things that Bailey has said and done, he calls it a vicious smear. I don’t feel bad for him at all.

It’s an opinion many have, for reasons that should be debatable. Sadly, it is NOT a debatable issue; it’s an issue to be spun and attacked with.

Here’s a story about the DEA, where the DEA states that drugs and drug profits are tied to terrorism; no surprise there. The advocates for legalization (and I am NOT advocating legalization; I’m merely repeating the advocate’s position) say that specifically, it is the illegality that results in the massive profits to the terrorists.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/national/article/0,1406,KNS_350_4913520,00.html

Like it or not, because this administration botched Afghanistan, heroin is going to be a big issue for a long, long time.

It should be an issue that can be debated reasonably.

Kline’s campaign – based on that flier – gives no indication that they would/could debate this issue.

Again – I think the Kline Campaign is in trouble, for having to go negative – AGAIN – this far before the votes are counted.

Meth and other drugs are a real problem in the high schools in the Second District, and to insuinate that Rowley is soft on drugs is bad enough, but to make a volunteer look like a drug dealer in his community is shitty.

It’s not the same kidn of opinion or activity as Ellison’s ties with NOI, for example.

Actually, the fact that he posts at the Daily Kos is a bigger issue then drug legalization, speaking personally.

Bailey has a diary up at Daily Kos right now and says that he still believes what he said 3 years ago, so the fact that he said it 3 years ago doesn’t matter. If you click on my name it will take you to his diary.

To the point of my post. MikeyJ, there is a huge difference in refering to dirty tricks by staffers in a letter which only us political types will notice and care about, and the mailing of a slick advertising piece throughout the district that pretty much calls a volunteer a drug dealer.

I thought the first one was lousy (the dirty tricks one) and tacky that it mentioned the volunteer by name. It was a classic he-said, she said between Bailey and Bratlie who have been battling it out in the newspaper letters column. The fact that whatever happened, happened two months before he joined the campaign didn’t make Rep. Kline look too forthcoming.

However, this second piece is pure character assasination. I’ve read where this volunteer has little kids, and his daycare provider got the flyer. I imagine there are whispers about him through his whole community now, and I wonder how any of you would feel if you volunteered for a campaign and had the other side send out something like that about you.

That’s why I get upset about some of the comments on this board. If we have true beliefs in issues (and I think the ethics in campaigning and campaign finance reform are big issues) we need to be civil. What this campaign did was not civil — it was behaving like a thug.

This goes way beyond the photoshop of Kline, that I thought I read wasn’t even up a day. Again, nobody saw that except a bunch of us political junkies without lives.

This drug piece went to all the “civilians” that this volunteer will be living among for quite some time I imagine.

I really think it calls for an apology and correction from John Kline, but that will only happen with enough of you on his side bringing it to him and letting him know he’s gone too far.

“Yeah – kinda reminds me of the NotSoSwifties.
Oh, wait – those character assassins were “cons”, weren’t they?”

Actually no. The 255 Vietnam vets who were part of the SBVT felt that Kerry was not fit to be CinC of the armed forces. What did they say that wasn’t true? {same debate over and over}

I got news, pal – your side has extremists, too.

Yeah – kinda reminds me of the NotSoSwifties.

Oh, wait – those character assassins were “cons”, weren’t they?

At any rate, I agree with Geo – BOTH LTC (Ret.) KLine’s military record, and FBI Agent (Ret.?) Rowley’s record reflect favorably upon their service and duty to country; to us all.

Many times you have posted tha this site has no value or credibility yet you come here everyday.

Granted, you never answer any questions that anyone puts to you, but you like to come and do “drive by postings”.

My guess is another liberal paid to go from site to site posting leftist incorrect views though you could also be just another loser in his parents basement in a suburb and this is how you get back at your parents.

Still, just wondering when you are going to follow through on your promise and leave? Maybe by chance you are posting from Canada with Mr. Baldwin??

WASHINGTON — – President Bush will travel to the Twin Cities Tuesday to take part in a health panel and attend a political fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Michele Bachmann, the White House confirmed Friday.
The trip has been discussed for weeks, but had not been acknowledged publicly by the Bush administration, which normally does not release the president’s schedule more than a week in advance.
White House officials said the president will participate in a panel discussion on health care at the Minneapolis Marriott Southwest hotel in Minnetonka. He will then attend a fundraiser for Bachmann, who is running against DFLer Patty Wetterling for the Sixth District House seat being vacated by Republican Mark Kennedy, who is running for the U.S. Senate.
The fundraiser will be at a private residence in Wayzata, according to the White House.
Bush’s appearance at the health conference is considered an official presidential event, so he will travel to the state at government expense.
– Kevin Diaz/

Hmmmm… the rumored Burnsville stop and speech (Kline’s District)is now changed to a Minnetonka appearance.

Wonder if there is a reason for the change.

First of all I am sure you all are aware the Mr. Wellstone was a wrestler. Did you know that he used that skill to undue all his terrible policies that he realized were harmful to the same people he claimed to represent?
Apparently it has been revealed that Mr. Wellstone realizing how horrible his liberal views were and the terrible effects they had on the country could think of no other way to undue his mess and save face with his liberal supporters. It was then Mr. Wellstone in an impressive feat for his age and health was able to not only place a headlock on the pilot, but also swing his legs up and sissor lock the co-pilot as well and sent the plane crashing to the ground.

Now watch all the libs get all upset as how could we talk about Mr. Wellstone that way???!!

Well, I know Mr. Kline and believe him to be a good man and without doubt will win this election.

Rowley is a joke and will get trounced this fall without question. Now back to your regularly scheduled program of whining liberals.

There is no reason to denigrate anyone’s military service.

There also is no reason for name-calling.

You can say that his actions in sending out the drug flyer was chickenshit, but you shouldn’ t call him a chickenshit. There is a big difference.

I’d ask the same respect be given his opponent Coleen Rowley, a former FBI Special Agent. That, too, is in service to our country.

If we want to have a discourse it should be about issues or conduct as a candidate.

I like having more liberal types on here. It raises the debate to new standards.

With dignity, honor, and integrity. Which he did. And his spine, I’m sure, was ram-rod straight and strong.

You wanna rip him for what he’s done since he retired, fine by me. As a veteran, I’m none to happy with his record regarding veterans issues.

You wanna rip him for his distinguished and honorable service, we got problems.

Let me correct that: YOU got problems.

This veteran will stand up for LTC (ret) Kline’s military service.

Where is the $11,0000? Here’s the story where Kline’s chief of staff said it was going to happen. Michael, you are in a position to find out. Tell us — in fact, show us the reciept from the charity.

Until Michael deletes again…

Ask Kline why is flooding the district with thousands of flyers beating up on one his opponent’s volunteers — is Coleen Rowley too scary for him to take on man-to-man.

Secondly, ask him what the media could possibly excluded from his statements about the Marines in Haditha that would have changed either the meaning or context of these words:

/”There is no question that the Marines involved, those doing the shooting, they were busy in lying about it and covering it up — there is no question about it,” Kline said. – Los Angeles Times, May 27, 2006/

Third (and I think this is the one that got my comment deleted) ask him about the $11,000 his chief of staff said Kline was giving to charity to rid himself of the blood money he took from Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham, the man convicted of taking bribes from military contractors while Americans were dying in Iraq. He was a friend and close colleague of Rep. Klines — why did he take $11,000 from him in the first place when Cunningham said that the “lberal leadership in Congress should be lined up and shot.” Does he think that this is the sort of honorable person he should have aligned himself with?

And lastly, why is he running away from his record instead of ON it.

Which Paul? Bartlett? I’m not exactly nakedly partisan in the way you presume, if me.

MikeyJ –

Actual question – how did Rowley bring forth staff as an issue?

Also remember, Rowley was the first person to bring staff forward as an issue in this race – not John Kline. You people have a laughable double-standard – when Rowley attacks Kline staff it’s an act of heroism, but when Kline’s campaign hits back it’s treason…gimme a break.

You realize Kline is probably just doing this to help out his friends Tim Pawlenty and Mark Kennedy, so that when people see Klobuchar/Hatch signs in the same yard as a Rowley sign, they think of every bad DFL stereotype – which Rowley embodies.

Rowley has become such an embarrasment that it is little wonder why other DFL candidates are running away when they see her coming.

***As a veteran, I applaud LTC Kline’s military service record;…”

Because, I do. LTC Kline served honorably and admirably.