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LTE: PAWLENTY WOULD HUNT DEER, HATCH SUE TO SAVE BAMBI
By Michael B. Brodkorb | October 7, 2006
Tim Pawlenty deserves credit for instituting the tradition of Governor’s Deer Opener as the governor of the great state of Minnesota.
Mike Hatch would mark Governor’s Deer Opener by going to court to protect Bambi. He would also mark Fishing Opener by suing outboard manufacturers and boat dealers for violating emission standards.
Mike Wellner Source: Bemidji Pioneer, October 6, 2006
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October 7th, 2006 at 11:27 AM
I wonder if Mike Wellner is a psudonym for Sandy Bean. It has the same kind of silliness as her letters.
bob p
That was one response. That’s what Mikey is reduced to here. Posting stupid ass comments from people who don’t even try and keep up. Try this Mikey, what is your candidate for? Is Timmy going to lower property taxes? Is Timmy going to reduce tuition costs at the U? Is Timmy going to do anything except crawl up Grover Norquist’s nether regions?
October 7th, 2006 at 11:32 AM
You people never cease to disgust me. This seems to be the only issue that Republicans are trying to take over DFLers in this election up here: “THey’ll take your guns away” when in fact, every DFL candidate here strongly supports 2nd amendment rights. I guess the major difference between Republicans and DFLers up here is that DFLers also support 1st amendment rights!
The Republicans will be lucky to get 35% of the vote up here because they have chosen to run on a platform of gay marriage, abortion, and taking water rights away from Native Americans and fail to talk about education, health care, property tax relief, the environment, Iraq, terrorism…
So yes. Go ahead, get your readers thinking Bemidjians are all Republicans, because you have never been more wrong.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:46 AM
I saw a lawn side yesterday that said: “Have you had enought? Vote for Hatch on November 7.”
Not sure what they meant, but no, I haven’t had enough of the strong economy, record-low unemployment rates, decreases in taxation and general improvements in the quality of Minnesota life.
Anyone who experienced a decrease, is too dependent on Government in the first place, or they’re lying. Not sure why Hatch would want to reverse our course.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:49 AM
What’s the ratio of Hatch to Paw(young boys)lenty yard signs up there?
October 7th, 2006 at 11:51 AM
Really Bryan,
First amendment? Can’t say lefties have ever supported it. They’re constantly surpressing all forms of decent to their anti-religeous, pro-death, values-free agenda.
BTW — 75 percent agree with banning gay marriage, Democrats raised your property taxes, democrats have NO plan on healthcare that won’t increase costs further, their thoughts on the environment will put you out of work, and I’m pretty sure native American water rights is at the bottom of most peoples agendas… so, if we get less than 35 percent up there, its because of blind liberal sheep like you, not because we’re not talking about the issues.
October 7th, 2006 at 12:50 PM
Seems to me that Paulenty raised the fee for fishing licenses… probably in order to give rich 612ers a break on their taxes.
And 75c per pack on cigarettes… every pack. Not that its good for you. It just shouldn’t be used to pay for government instead of having fair and responsible taxes.
Those that can afford to shouldn’t be pushing the burdens of roads, police, firemen, and schools onto the rest of us so they can afford another cabin.
October 7th, 2006 at 3:37 PM
Yeah. Tim Pawlenty likes hunting now becuase the number of hunters in the woods goes down with each of his silly fee increases, adding to his chance at success.
And Kyle, when you said there had been decreases in taxation, you outed yourself as being either super wealthy or super dumb. In either case, your opinion does not jive with the rest of us who are paying dearly for T-Paw’s no-new-taxes lie.
October 7th, 2006 at 3:48 PM
Rover,
Income tax decreases outpaced property tax increases. Property tax increases, were levied by out of control liberals at the local level. Besides, don’t you folks usually hate property owners?
October 7th, 2006 at 4:18 PM
Really Kyle? The state income tax has been decreased in the past four years?
I must have missed the Pawlenty press release on that one. And to decrease more than property tax increased, it would have to be nearly non-existent by this point, as my property tax went up 22 percent this year.
You have proven that in my earlier statement, you are the latter rather than the former. For that I thank you.
October 7th, 2006 at 4:49 PM
Pawlenty is a real man and Hatch likes to talk about pulling his pants down!
(I’ve learned how to slime like a Dim)
October 7th, 2006 at 5:29 PM
annie rice – (I’ve learned how to slime like a Dim)
The world is a better place because of it. Oh, what page of the Bible is that on?
October 7th, 2006 at 5:35 PM
Is it slimy for us to point out how inappropriate it is for members of congress to sexually harass young boys? What about expecting our elected leaders to do something to stop said activity when they learn about it. Is that slimy? Or thinking that it is wrong to bear your pregnant wife?
If this is the case, then I am proud to be slimy.
October 7th, 2006 at 6:07 PM
Hey Wacko Brian,
Yeah, I suppose Dems would fix health care, but see, like every other country with single payer *5 in the world without, btw*, it would cost about 40% less than what we currently pay, we’d have increased satisfaction with our care, and our health statistics would move up from the bottom 40 of industrialized nations. Even those rascally Canadians are rating their own health care systems higher than Americans are rating theirs. Not convinced? Google Sen. Durenberger and health care, let his facts and stats let the light shine upon you. Best of luck with your cognitive dissonance.
October 7th, 2006 at 6:42 PM
Higher taxes on cigarettes and gas, fees on fishing licenses, and higher local property taxes MAKE SENSE! If you smoke (I don’t), drive a lot (I do) or fish, you should pay for that, and those who don’t, shouldn’t! Roads benefit all of us, but not proportionally, so those who use them more, thus benefiting more, should pay more. I am so sick of all these liberal idiots standing around with there hands out wanting those not using a service to pay for theirs. You wanna smoke, hey go nuts, but the resultant health problems are yours, not mine. Wanna drive a hybrid? Congrats, you don’t have to pay as much in gas taxes as my neighbor with the Navigator. Why is it so hard to grasp?! Pay for what you use.
October 7th, 2006 at 7:20 PM
Doug, Are you a one note kinda guy?
October 7th, 2006 at 7:28 PM
Oh sorry Doug,
I forgot to post the scripture.
Proverbs 26:4-5 states, “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.”
October 7th, 2006 at 10:34 PM
Well, I was watching MSNBC’s live coverage of the Amish shootings last week when they broke for a commercial. Imagine my surprise when it was an NRA commerical supporting Mark Kennedy.
I hunt deer. I hunt pheasants. I hunted ducks when we still had them around our area. And I’ve seen Mike Hatch out in our rural area hunting, too, so your post is a little hollow. Again.
Why can’t you seem to ever tell a straight story, Michael?
October 7th, 2006 at 11:27 PM
So only those who use firemen should pay for them? Only those who have the need for police patrols should pay for them? Only those who drive on the roads should pay for them? Only those with children in public schools should pay for them?
You probably believe that every homeowner should grow their own food, pack their own sidearm, chop down the logs for their own cabins, and teach their own children.
Thankfully most Americans believe in working together to build a great society and a great economy.
We believe in joining together to educate our young, protect our vulnerable, and build the infrastructure needed for a strong, vibrant economy.
October 7th, 2006 at 11:36 PM
Patrick – Of course, all that gets thrown out the window when it’s a stadium, and I’m rather sure it ain’t the ‘liberal idiots’ making me pay for it. Oops.
October 8th, 2006 at 12:41 AM
Throwing out the public safety bugaboo is always the first refuge of the scoundrels….and I am opposed to funding stadiums from the general fund, but not at all opposed to funding it from fees associated with those who use the new stadiums or substantially benefit from them. Public safety spending is an obligation of government, some would argue its only obligation according to the preamble to the U.S Constitution (Provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare). Note the difference, provide means pay for, promote means encourage, very different. Local government’s job is public safety. Great societies arise from great people, not government redistribution, and great economies arise from State government building roads and then getting out of the way. I believe in public education, I just believe that throwing money at school districts without demanding quantifiable results is poor stewardship of the public trust. While I am on this manifesto rant, I also believe that the problem with the social security trust fund is that we have to trust congress with the funds, and they have most certainly demonstrated that they cannot be trusted with our retirement dollars.
Finally, I know without a doubt that I did far more to keep this country safe during the year I spent in Iraq under this president that I did during the 14 months I spent in Bosnia and Kosovo under the last president.
October 8th, 2006 at 3:23 AM
Kyle!! Sorry to burst your bubble!! The reason why Property Taxes have soared was not because of Democrats. It was the pledge Gov. Pawlenty made when he said “no new taxes”.
When the new session began in 2003, the GOP controlled House implemented accounting shifts that cut funds to Education, cuts to Local Government Aid, along with drastic cuts to services for the poor, taxes and fees went up on just about every State service from Driver’s License applications, vehichle tabs, etc.!!! Do your homework for goodness sakes!!!
DFLers did not cause College Tuitions in the state to rise more than 50% in the last 4 years, or the rise in the Crime rate in Minneapolis. The cause for the 2005 shutdown were not the DFLers, but Gov. Pawlenty, Dave Swiggum, and the Republican Senate Caucus. The Governor was not happy with the Budget because there were not enough cuts to Education, Transportation, and the elimination of Minnesota Care for close to 40,000 poorer working Minnesotans who were in need of some health care they could not get from their employers ‘ plans or buy on their own.
So when posters like Kyle and annie rice want to blame DFLers for all their problems, do research on your party first!
October 8th, 2006 at 3:31 AM
Kudos to Brian Hanna and Roving Reporter, and anyone else I may have forgotten, for stating positions that speak about the issues and not resorting to distortions.
I am beginning to notice as Election Day drawn nearer, posts are going to get more desperate and nasty. I will stick to the facts and continue to be a voice of reason.
October 8th, 2006 at 8:48 AM
How about if I never need a Trident sub or a B-2 bomber or a ICBM?
October 8th, 2006 at 9:37 AM
Rover,
No, income tax cuts were in place before, but property tax increases have not eaten them up. You say yours went up… Twenty-two percent of what?
You must be very wealthy yourself, and living in a city that has elected to levy such a punishing increase. No doubt, your cash is keeping stupid liberal social programs flush with cash.
October 8th, 2006 at 11:34 AM
Raving Rectum expelled: “your opinion does not jive with the rest of us who are paying dearly for T-Paw’s no-new-taxes lie.”
Hey moron..are you complaining about more money for the government? Or are you complaining that YOU have to pay more for a change.
Aren’t you “Happy to pay”? Don’t you care about the poor, and “the children”?? You greedy fuck…pay up!
October 8th, 2006 at 11:35 AM
Patrick, #20:
// Throwing out the public safety bugaboo is always the first refuge of the scoundrels….//
Bush Republicans cut the Clinton COPS program at the federal level, at the same time they cut LGA to Minneapolis on the local level. We are short many, many officers. This is reality, not a refuge. Safety comes first.
// and I am opposed to funding stadiums from the general fund, but not at all opposed to funding it from fees associated with those who use the new stadiums or substantially benefit from them. //
Some things, like luxuries and recreation, probably should have some fee support. On the other hand, we don’t want a situation where most people can’t afford the publicly owned recreation. Free parks and open green spaces have long been a Minnesota value.
// Public safety spending is an obligation of government, some would argue its only obligation according to the preamble to the U.S Constitution (Provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare). Note the difference, provide means pay for, promote means encourage, very different. Local government’s job is public safety. //
I’m sure the founders didn’t expect government to provide everything that people needed for their welfare. On the other hand, “the general welfare” includes such things as roads, firemen, police, public schools, libraries, and sanitary infrastructure – things that cannot or would not be provided by private parties but are neccessary for the welfare of the nation.
There are more levels to public safety than just local policing. These layers of security must be paid for too. However, off-budget spending for the war in Iraq, coupled with tax cuts for the wealthy, have plunged the nation into deep deficit. That’s not fiscally responsible governing.
// Great societies arise from great people, not government redistribution, and great economies arise from State government building roads and then getting out of the way. //
Great societies not only require the cooperation of many good people, but also a structure, an environment, in which those people can succeed. No society can long succeed by forcing a large percentage of its members into substandard conditions. And even if it could, that’s not America.
// I believe in public education, I just believe that throwing money at school districts without demanding quantifiable results is poor stewardship of the public trust. //
Quantifiable results are not as easy to get as you might think. Children are not widgets coming off the factory line, that you can measure for defects. There is something special that can happen in schools, but there must be adequate resources available for that to happen. Crush 40 kids into a classroom, and take away cooling and heating, and learning goes into the toilet.
// While I am on this manifesto rant, I also believe that the problem with the social security trust fund is that we have to trust congress with the funds, and they have most certainly demonstrated that they cannot be trusted with our retirement dollars. //
What we’ve seen is that Republican Congressmen cannot be trusted with our retirement dollars. They planned to put them into the stock market, pumping up current earnings and planning for a later crash.
Social Security is solvent for a long time, or would be with a small rate adjustment. Congress just needs to raise taxes responsibly instead of robbing grandma’s piggy bank to pay the bills.
// Finally, I know without a doubt that I did far more to keep this country safe during the year I spent in Iraq under this president that I did during the 14 months I spent in Bosnia and Kosovo under the last president. //
Unfortunately, our intervention in Iraq has done more to make America unsafe than the responsible anti-terrorism actions taken by Clinton. We have many more terrorists and new terrorist groups out there now than when we invaded, and they say they joined up and are motivated by our intervention in Iraq.
Not that I blame you – I thank any vet for being part of our defense. But our civilian leaders have mismanaged the situation terribly. Iraq is a Vietnam-scale disaster.
October 8th, 2006 at 1:30 PM
Kathy #21,
If Minnesotans once again mandate a balanced budget by reelecting Pawlenty, how would you recommend we balance the 2007 Minnesota budget? Would you serve notice to the departments to expect 4,6,or 8% budget increases? Do you have an aversion to Dean Johnson? Why not mention him? How do you feel about his performance in the 2005 budget session?
October 8th, 2006 at 2:52 PM
hey alex…
whose gun was hatch borrowing when saw him in the field pretending to hunt?
October 8th, 2006 at 3:30 PM
What income tax cuts? Please show me the legislation or even a news article that refences the last time Minnesota cut the state income tax. The tax brackets have shifted with inflationm but this is an automatic function, and not something enacted by any one politician.
My property tax increased 22 percent over last year. I live in a core city where the governor took punitiva action with LGA cuts to adress our tendency to vote democrat (or at least for mayors who start out as democrats). I have talked to a number of people in my neighborhood who voted for Pawlenty the last time around who won’t be doing so this time. I would be curious to see how Pawlenty would do in a poll next week after Minnesotans pay their second half property tax.
October 8th, 2006 at 9:15 PM
As far as Dean Johnson is concerned, he urged a majority vote of Democrats and Rpublican Senators to vote for the “Lights On Legislation”, passed by the House, so that essential services remain operating and employees get paid during the shutdow. The Republican membership of the Senate refused, save one, to give Johnson the satisfaction of winning the vote in order to blame the DFL for the shutdown.
As for a budget for 2007, everyone knows how difficult it is to say that this is all we are going to spend when a total amount is given. Assume the rate of inflation is going to be 3% for 2007. Prioritize the departments that are most important to the running of the state’s services like Trasportation, Education, Social Services, etc. Add a percent or two to those departments in added expenditures due to population increases, increased costs of Utilities, labor, etc. Create a reserve. If tax collections exceed spending, a greater reserve benifits the state. I believe it’s called the Rainy Day Fund.
October 8th, 2006 at 11:10 PM
Kathy,
An overall increase of 3% for inflation plus “a percent or two” is 5%. Final answer?
October 9th, 2006 at 8:45 AM
Rover: “What income tax cuts?”
Are you serious, or just unemployed? Both state and federal governments cut income taxes between 2000 and 2004. Ventura signed legislation cutting state income taxes, and Bush signed the federal tax cuts.
Everyone who pays income taxes had their income taxes cut. The greatest percentage was at the bottom margin, which lowered from 15 percent to 10 percent. Most people in this bracket don’t effectively pay ANY tax though, because they get it all back at the end of the year. Many of them, actually get more back than they paid in.
Rover, you’re quite possibly the most ignorant poster in this forum. My guess is you work for the Strib.
October 9th, 2006 at 8:48 AM
And again, property taxes were increased by irresponsible liberals at the local level. Got a probelem with your property taxes, change your city leadership.
You said you live in a core city… Minneapolis and St. Paul are both run by ridiculously stupid liberal councils and Mayors. Minneapolis also has the pleasure of being the most corrupt.
October 9th, 2006 at 6:03 PM
Hatch would sue for violating emission standards?
This guy has some problems.
October 9th, 2006 at 11:31 PM
Brian # 26:
I will let most of your social opinions slide, but I will not let you get away with trying to tell me about Iraq, unless you can tell me which FOB you were at, and on which rotation. (I was at Taji, OIF 3, 3rd BCT 1st AD) I worked with Iraqi soldiers and civilians every day, and most believe in working to build a new Iraq, and hate the insurgency. They would prefer we not be there, but recognize why we need to be. I am still in regular email contact with Iraqis who still feel that way. Don’t even try to say you support the troops and not the war, because it just ain’t so. Far too many people like you believe that the troops are victims of the war, and we are not! The overwhelming majority of troops who have served in Iraq support the mission. How do you reconcile that with the opinions of those who have either never been there or have witnessed it from the veranda of a hotel in the IZ? (The media calls it the Green Zone, but anyone who knows better calls it the IZ) I did 2 tours in the Balkans under Clinton, and I still can’t figure out what vital U.S. interest I was protecting, but when I was in Iraq fighting Al Qaeda terrorists who were undeniably and demonstrably there before the war, I knew exactly what I was fighting for.
I was reading harmony documents when they were still classified. You should Google a few and see if it realigns your thinking a little. While you are at it, Google “Laffler curve†and learn a little bit about economics.