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SECRETARY OF STATE TRANSITION MEETING #2
By Michael B. Brodkorb | December 21, 2006
Candidate Mark Ritchie and the Minnesota DFL spent a large amount of money to defeat Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer. Minnesotans heard charges of "voter supression" by Ritchie and claims by the Minnesota DFL that Kiffmeyer was "manipulating election outcomes."
If Kiffmeyer's opponents couldn't tell the truth about her record during the election – why would they tell the truth about how a transition meeting was conducted?
Kiffmeyer had previously expressed that she expected complaints from Ritchie about the transition:
"Kiffmeyer said she expects complaints from Ritchie about the way she will leave the office, and she plans to document office information and conduct a walk-through with a Capitol Security officer before her term ends to 'protect my record and my reputation' against 'any potential false claim.'
'I'm not that kind of person,' said Ritchie, adding that he thanked Kiffmeyer for her service." Source: Forum Communications, November 20, 2006
As I wrote before, Mr. Ritchie, you are exactly "that kind of person." The Minnesota DFL and your campaign threw more mud at Kiffemeyer than any other candidate in 2006. You are exactly "that kind of person."
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December 21st, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Wait a minute… how is he ‘that kind of person’? Did he invite a partisan hack to the transition meeting of a non-partisan office?
Oooooooooh wait. Scratch that. Mary Kiffmeyer did.
And Mike, you can say that Minnesotan’s heard charges of “voter suppression” but the crazy thing is, a judge ruled she was suppressing voters!
Happy holidays– I hope it’s a lot brighter than your November.
Ya big loser.
Sean
December 21st, 2006 at 3:22 pm
Hey Sean, can you please show any source of voter fraud and intimidation like Ritchie was claiming?
NONE!!
So how about the fact that Richie was endorsed by ACORN. Do you remember ACORN Sean? That was a group that was charged with voter fraud.
Now run away with your tail tucked in between your legs since you have been schooled!
December 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pm
Sean, have even read the case? Doesn’t sound like it.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pm
Mark Ritchie is himself a partisan hack, and he showed throughout the election cycle his propensity to lie about Kiffmeyer’s record.
So why would we be shocked that she wanted to have someone on her side there for when Ritchie inevitably distorted what occurred?
I know folks like Sean think that preventing people from voting multiple times, or voting when they are not allowed to constitutes suppression. But for those of us who vote legally and don’t want our votes diluted by people who don’t respect the law, Kiffmeyer was one of the best Secretaries of State Minnesota has had.
I fear for the integrity of the ballot with Ritchie there, and I think it is a good thing that you were at that meeting Michael to act as a watch dog.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pm
Well actually a judge in Hennepin county ruled that Mary Kiffmeyer as Secretary of State was disenfranchising young people around the University of Minnesota on election day! She was sued, the judge ordered an injunction against her, and thankfully we now have Mark Ritchie to defend our right to vote.
And, RamseyRep– Happy holidays to you too! May your next year being represented by Betty McCollum, (probably a Democrat in the state house too), Mark Ritchie, Rebecca Otto, Lori Swanson, and the overwhelming Democratic Majorities in both houses be merry and bright!
Sean
December 21st, 2006 at 3:32 pm
RamseyRep, Sean not only spelled it out for you but, we won the elections.
Ritchie’s activism was well-known especially by the hardcore Righties. Guess what? He spanked that partisan hack who’s experience was nil except that of a stepford wife sheild for the GOP, before her election.
Their race wasn’t close and she was the two-term incumbent. We don’t like her or trust her and she’s gone. Your majority in the House is gone. Mark Kennedy? Yep, gone. Pat Awada-Anderson-unemployed, gone. Brian LeClair, gone. Phil Krinkie, gone. Bill Kuisle, gone.
Follow your leaders.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:41 pm
Pawlenty won. That’s the biggest office in the state.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pm
I asked Ron Carey if he would have traded Pawlenty for an almost veto-proof majority in the state house.
It took him a long time to answer.
Sean
December 21st, 2006 at 3:53 pm
Requiring a college kids with student IDs to show a utility bill as explicitly stated in state law is hardly “disenfranchised”. When I think of that, I think more of throwing out military absentee ballots.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:59 pm
I met Mark Ritchie at the state fair at the DFL booth. I expressed my concerns about Kiffmeyer being in favor of a photo ID requirement for voting. He agreed with me that requiring people to prove who they are to vote is ridiculous. He also agreed with me that it hurts our DFL cause to require that people vote in the precinct they live in. I think (and Ritchie agrees with me) that you should get to vote anywhere you want in the state. I support Mark Ritchie and his plan to open up the voting process.
December 21st, 2006 at 4:02 pm
And they showed the ID, and the utility bill. But Kiffy and the Republican poll disenfranchise army decided to challenge the validity of the utility bill.
And you all lost!
And, to the guy who said that ‘Pawlenty won, thats the biggest office in the state.’
Think of it this way, if Mark Kennedy wasn’t such an embarrasment, you guys might actually be in the majority in the US Senate right now! Judicial appointments, treaties, etc. all at your fingertips.
Too bad Mark spent all that PAC money on Mike– it could have gone to some more field staff and it would have been a better investment.
Sean
December 21st, 2006 at 4:21 pm
Mike, MK and the other GOP blowhards are suffering right now from what I like to call “sore loser syndrome.”
December 21st, 2006 at 4:27 pm
I have worked closely with Secretary of State Kiffmeyer this past year, and I can say without a doubt that her efforts to reach out to all young people and get them registered have been phenomenal.
For several years now she has done an unprecedented job advocating youth involvement, I am a college student and prior to holding my position with her office I had seen her out in the field energizing young college and high school students more than any other politician or office holder.
Her office has partnered with nearly any and all organizations with (legal) efforts to encourage youth turnout, including World Wrestling Entertainment. The office even hired college students as part of promoting the HAVA machines. This provided the office to reach out and interact with all voters, young, old, poor, rich, handicapped, ect. As a result Minnesota consistently has one of the highest turnouts, especially amongst the youth in the nation.
It is easy as pie for a college student to vote. In Mankato for example, all one had to do was wander into their dorms lobby (in their pajamas if they wanted to) and fill out a registration card. The school even provided the election judges with a list of who lived in the building! There isn’t really much more a secretary of state do; under Kiffmeyer, the right vote has been protected.
Sean, you are a partisan fool, the message is out there. If a few kids feel disenfranchised, maybe they ought to get off their can and show a little effort. Their in college now, there is no excuse for them not knowing how to vote.
If Richie wants to live up to her reputation, he is going to have to recognize where campaigning ends and governing begins, running this office is much more about following the word of the law than anything else –something Kiffmeyer did well.
December 21st, 2006 at 4:28 pm
You know guys …. be nice. Today is Ritchie’s birthday. Maybe he didn’t like Kiff’s “gift” of an ambush.
Then again I would be crabby as well in a meeting with someone who had already told the press she thought you were going to lie about the state of the office.
Or, maybe, his mind was caught up in trying to figure out the mathmatical formula to make sure the SOS office prints enough Blue Books next hear so they don’t run out as quickly as they have in the past few years.
Or, maybe, he was wishing he had eaten more Garlic with his Huevos Rancheros this morning so he could sidle up to MB and start farting?
December 21st, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Oh Sean, heaven forbid someone has to show an I.D.
I guess that is bad since it keeps Democrats from having to vote illegally and cheat just like Ritchie pals at ACORN do!
P.S I have a real woman as my representative. One who isn’t afraid to say “Under God” in the pledge. Her name is Michele Bachmann not an embarrassment like McCucumber
December 21st, 2006 at 4:54 pm
BTW DJZ, Didn’t one of your leaders lose. Oh, that guy named Dean Johnson who lost to a person who spent half as much as that liar Johnson.
BTW if the press wasn’t so biased, you would’ve lost in a landslide. Thank god for you that you have the left-wing misinformation society to push your lies and flawed agenda.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:17 pm
“Sean, you are a partisan fool, the message is out there.”
The message is out there that I’m a partisan fool? People talk about me on this series of tubes?
Crazy.
So, here’s the deal RJF, you can talk all the crap you want, but Kiffmeyer in her quest to make all voters present ID with an address that matches their permanent addres on the SOS’s rolls, would take the great program you mention…
and end it.
Making it much harder for college students to vote.
Further, the case I am referencing this year students at off campus apartment buildings brought their ID and utility bills to the polls and they were challenged by Republican poll deniers, and Kiffmeyer supported the poll deniers, until a judge stepped in and told her she was wrong.
So RJF you can call me all the names you want, but the simple fact of the matter is, you’re wrong.
And a loser probably.
Sean
December 21st, 2006 at 5:19 pm
Michael where have your blogging skills gone?
What lie did Mark Ritchie tell? I volunteered for him, I made the calls. Tell me what false statements were made during the campaign?
RamseyRep: “When someone or a group endorses you that means they believe in you, not necessarily you believe in them.” Can you guess who said that? Michele Bachman, on her accepting money from members of Seperation of School and State.A group of people that want to end funding for public education.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:10 pm
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read:
“I met Mark Ritchie at the state fair at the DFL booth. I expressed my concerns about Kiffmeyer being in favor of a photo ID requirement for voting. He agreed with me that requiring people to prove who they are to vote is ridiculous. He also agreed with me that it hurts our DFL cause to require that people vote in the precinct they live in. I think (and Ritchie agrees with me) that you should get to vote anywhere you want in the state. I support Mark Ritchie and his plan to open up the voting process.”
December 21st, 2006 at 6:54 pm
The election is over. She lost. Move on.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:56 pm
Again:
This post seems entirely about showing what hot shit Brodkorb is and not at all about substance.
Who cares?
December 21st, 2006 at 8:57 pm
Michael, I’m re-posting my response from the mnpACT blog here:
MB: Secretary of State elect Mark Ritchie ran a very negative campaign against Mary Kiffmeyer. Why should Kiffmeyer trust Ritchie to tell the truth about a transition meeting?
CT: If that’s the case, why didn’t Kiffmeyer invite representatives from the entire Fourth Estate — yourself included.
With all due respect, Michael, a DFL officeholder has reason to be taken off guard by Minnesota Democrats Exposed as the third entity in the room.
Had Hatch won (in my alternative universe), would the governor had hosted a Hatch-Pawlenty get-together with MDE as the only observer?
Had Mark Kennedy won, would Mark Dayton have been within his right to invite Minnesota Campaign Report as the only observer? (Slightly apples to oranges because Dayton didn’t run, but you get the point.)
Merry Christmas!
December 21st, 2006 at 9:56 pm
Sean,
I will issue a grammatical correction to that paragraph.
[Sean, you are a partisan fool. The message of “get out and vote†is there for college students, so if a few of them feel disenfranchised, maybe they ought to get off their can and show a little effort. Their in college now, there is no excuse for them not knowing how to vote.]
For college students who move or change their address, we have motor voter in Minnesota, they can register to vote right at the DMV and walk off registered with a piece of paper stating their current address and their clipped driver’s license. Not that difficult. I’ve done it 3 times already, and college students can even do it on Election Day, and meet the requirements of any photo ID law. (Though they will have to fill out another registration card at the polls)
People advocating for a photo ID are not necessarily stating that the address on a persons ID has to be accurate. A person is only on there once, and voting twice under the same name will likely be caught, but in instances like in International Falls where we have had some hundreds more voting than reside in the area, it would be very handy. We are not living in Bleeding Kansas, and we should not let border ruffians vote in our elections.
The fact is Kiffmeyer was pushing for Photo ID’s for some very valid reasons. The exact details of such a bill are up to the legislature to decide. I would venture to say even that allowing School IDs in some form isn’t out of the question which can be made up in less than 15 minutes.
Mary did every thing she could to keep integrity in our election system, so all legally eligible people could vote once, and only once. We should all thank her for her eight years of service.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:52 pm
Valid reasons?! A photo Id requirement or any other plan to bring accountability to our voting process will disenfranchise Minnesotans! Just because someobody has just moved to a new place or wants to vote more than once does not mean they shouldn’t be allowed to. Voting is what makes America great and we should make it as easy as possible to vote as many times as is necessary to achieve OUR America. The 2000 Florida fiasco would not have happened if Democrats would have gotten out and voted in their own precints and their neightbors’. We would have avoided this immoral war and we could have taken meaningful steps to avoid global warming. Have you seen Al Gore’s new movie? This stuff is real yet Bush and his oil crony Cheney are wiling to sacrifice our future just to make money off of THEIR war in Iraq. Mark Ritchie is just the first step. I hope he runs against Coleman in 2008. Ritchie is the kind of leader we need to make sure the DFL keeps winning elections. With OUR party in charge I will be able to vote at the U and then I can vote in the swing districts in the suburbs the same day. With him in charge we will gain a ton more seats in the legislature in 2008.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:21 am
Its the media’s fault that the Dems won. To assume that, you’d have to assume the majority of peoploe are idiots and lemmings. Only people like you and Sean Hannity know the truth. How did these folks get elected in the first place? The media was around when they were all first elected and re-elected. Why couldn’t they overcome the media this time?
Johnson lost and was replaced by a BIGGER DFL majority in the Senate that’s even more pro-choice. The DFL seems to have won that one too.
Do me and other Democrats a favor by keeping the blame on the media for your thrashing, we need a bigger majority in the US Senate and have to take the White House back.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:48 am
“This is the dumbest thing I’ve read:”
Kyle, me too, that’s because it’s obvious a joke/impersonation, probably from a right winger.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:32 am
Sean, quit making shit up.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 am
Sean would have you believe that Kiffmeyer was rebuked for “supressing votes” but the facts would state otherwise. The facts would state that Kiffmeyer was upholding the letter (and intent) of the law. Liberals, on the other hand, were trying to skirt the law and open the doors to voter fraud.
Here’s the Strib article for reference you nitwit:
Residency ID rule relaxed
A dispute concerning proof-of-residency requirements in state election law resulted in a Minneapolis polling place staying open an extra hour Tuesday night.
Hennepin County District Judge Gary Larson gave the order just before 8 p.m., the normal closing time at the Pratt School site in the Prospect Park neighborhood, and at all polls in the state. Fewer than 10 people voted during the additional hour.
The overtime period resulted from a dispute earlier in the day about what documents residents of the Melrose Student Suites, a complex of 950 residents, could use to prove residency to register to vote on Election Day. Most of the residents are University of Minnesota students.
Some residents tried to use receipts for utility payments from the building owners – rather than from the utility itself – to prove they lived in the precinct. But election judges, backed by the Minneapolis city attorney and the Minnesota secretary of state, said they needed a current bill from the utility itself.
After a challenge from the poll, Larson ruled at 4:10 p.m. that the residents should be allowed to use the building owners’ receipt as proof of residency, but only the residents of Melrose Suites.
Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer said Larson’s afternoon decision, while only affecting residents of one apartment complex, might open the door to a relaxation of a voting requirement that has long been accepted as standard.
“It’s like playing a football game and when you get to the third quarter you decide to change the rules slightly,” she said.
“It’s not usually recommended you do that. The concern I have is that, once laws are passed, we are consistent in giving the same answer to everybody.”
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:35 am
I’m not Kyle.
And happy holidays from me, and Senate Majority Leader Pogemiller, and House Speaker Margaret Anderson Kelliher, and your new much more qualified election offical– Mark Ritchie!
Sean
December 22nd, 2006 at 11:02 am
I saw Kiffmeyer at a Secretary of State debate at the U. I thought she was completely condescending to the questions that students asked and was a huge drama queen for showing up late and unannounced.
December 22nd, 2006 at 11:43 am
Making shit up?
Let’s look at what the Republicans beleive to be a perfect example of a perfect Secretary of State who is non-partisan:
She asked the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate Hennepin and Ramsey counties, alleging that election officials in those jurisdictions were using illegal voter registration forms. The Department of Justice wasted tax dollars for this and said the forms were fine.
She tried to remove a slate of Independence Party candidates off the ballot claiming they failed to follow election laws. The Minnesota Supreme Court reinstated the candidates and gave Mary a nice warning.
She sent out terrorist alert posters to polling places across the state warning voters to be on the lookout for men wearing perfume and muttering to themselves. WTF? I’ll tell you, it was a clear partisan move to keep the fear of terrorists in voters as they cast their vote for President. We have learned that scared fearful people voted for Bush (who still lost Minnesota).
She dragged her feet for two year refusing to implement legislation passed that allows tribal identification cards to be used as a legitimate form of ID for voter registration (I know most on here share her love for the tribes). It took a federal restraining order to keep her from disenfranchising hundreds of tribal members.
A state audit faulted her office for some procedural discrepancies in how it implemented a new federal law intended to make voting simpler and questioned the use of the federal dollars when paying consultants and overtime to employees.
Just last month the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that she was to comply with the voting requirements and proide the correct information on her website.
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And, during the transition, she invites an anti-DFL political operative to sit in on the meeting.
December 22nd, 2006 at 11:57 am
“With OUR party in charge I will be able to vote at the U and then I can vote in the swing districts in the suburbs the same day. With him in charge we will gain a ton more seats in the legislature in 2008.”
LiberalPal, you aren’t helping. As a strong DFLer who knows Ritchie, I am certain that this is not something he would support. He strongly believes that you get one vote in an election.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:46 pm
Kyle– this is the salient part of the news peice.
“Some residents tried to use receipts for utility payments from the building owners – rather than from the utility itself – to prove they lived in the precinct. But election judges, backed by the Minneapolis city attorney and the Minnesota secretary of state, said they needed a current bill from the utility itself.”
On the Secretary of State’s website (http://www.sos.state.mn.us/home/index.asp?page=12&select_faq_by_faq_cat=2#38) it says this…
“Q: Can I register to vote on election day?
A: You can register at your polling place on election day. You will need one of the following to verify your residence:
Minnesota driver’s license, learner’s permit, identification card, or receipt for one, with your current address
Tribal ID**
If the Minnesota license, Tribal ID or MN State ID has a former address, you may bring a recent utility bill* to use with your license
“Notice of Late Registration†postcard
U.S. passport with utility bill*
U.S. military photo ID card with utility bill*
Prior registration listed on roster at former address in precinct
Oath of a registered voter in precinct (“vouching”)
If you are a student, you can use…
Student ID, registration, or fee statement with your current address
Post Secondary Student photo ID with utility bill*
Post Secondary Student ID if you are on a student housing list on file at the polling place
Someone who is registered in the precinct where you live who will vouch for your residence
*Note: The utility bill must have your name, current address, and be due within 30 days of the election. Utility bills may be for electric, gas, water, solid waste, sewer, telephone, cell phone or cable TV”
Notice it doesn’t say “Utility bills from the utility company.” Rather it just says, utility bills.
Now, a bunch of kids living in what basically amounts to private dorms don’t get utility bills, their utilities are paid by the company that runs the dorm and they are provided a statement of the bills they pay. Why, when the law doesn’t say anything about it, shouldn’t they be allowed to vote when they are providing a legal ID, and a bill for their utilities?
The simple fact of the matter is Kyle, that Mary Kiffmeyer is a danger to the rights of Minnesota voters, in the name of terrorism and ‘voter fraud’ (which, please, please prove to me that there is widespread and coordinated voter fraud! Ooopie! You can’t!) and scare mongering she has tried to make it harder for Minnesotans to vote. She has rejected paper trails for electronic voting machines, and she cannot be trusted to protect our right to vote.
The good news is she unceremoniously recieved a boot in the ass.
Happy holidays!
Sean
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:50 pm
Yes, Sean. It says “Utility Bill”, not “receipt from landlord regarding utilities paid.”
Don’t be so stupid.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:52 pm
To be more clear, a utility bill is a bill from a utility company. A receipt from a landlord is a receipt from a landlord, not a utility bill… regardless of what it is for.
Kiffmeyer attempted to apply the letter of the law. Liberals succeeded in bending it.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:04 pm
And… furthermore, Sean, there are a million other ways to register to vote. They were not suppressed. by any stretch of your little liberal imagination.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:11 pm
Dear Kyle–
I can understand your hostility towards me this holiday season. Me and thousands like me went out in November, bent you and your ilk over and had our way with you.
But it keeps coming back to her continued attempts to make it harder to vote (which, by the way, your silence on voter fraud was deafening, a lot like Mary’s!).
From Native Americans, to well… most every one with her hairbrained plan to require photo ids that match the address on the SOS rolls, as well as her mind-boggling dumb hatred for same day registration, Mary Kiffmeyer has been a poor secretary of state when it comes to voting rights.
The students in question didn’t have Utility bills from the utility companies, and no one ever intimated that they would have a problem voting with the bills they recieved from their landlord. But in direct opposition to the spirit of the law which proclaims loudly that it should be as easy as possible to vote; The Grinch who Stole Election day, Mary Kiffmeyer turned them away.
Her plan to have all voter ID’s match the address’ on file with the SOS office and to get rid of same day registration would take our successes with voter turn out and make our turnout look more like… say… Texas.
(and aren’t you the guys of the little Government, and “government is bad!” how on Gods green Earth do you think that the Government could keep accurate and open registration of voter rolls, its a situation ripe for some unionized government flunky to screw it up, and damage everyones ability to vote?)
Ding-dong Mary Kiffmeyers gone! And you should all breath easy, ’cause it’s gonna be easier for you to exercise the bedrock right of our Democratic faith– the right to vote.
And finally Kyle, I’d like to thank you for posting that article, because it proved that Mike is a liar.
(http://www.minnesotademocratsexposed.com/2006/11/07/minneapolis-city-attorney-keeps-polls-open-in-precinct-at-request-of-dfl)
Doesn’t quite match with…
“A dispute concerning proof-of-residency requirements in state election law resulted in a Minneapolis polling place staying open an extra hour Tuesday night.
Hennepin County District Judge Gary Larson gave the order just before 8 p.m., the normal closing time at the Pratt School site in the Prospect Park neighborhood, and at all polls in the state. Fewer than 10 people voted during the additional hour.”
Happy Holidays!
Sean
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:30 pm
Holy crap.
I’ve never seen Democrats attempt to justify voter fraud and then claim it’s justified. I guess commonsence it out the window when it comes to these heathen Democrats
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:42 pm
“bent you and your ilk over and had our way with you.”
Sean, you need to separate your sexual fantasies from your political fantasies.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:23 pm
“Sean” is a crass pig, just like “Raving Rover” – almost like it’s the same person.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:35 pm
Lar–
I’d invite you to look at some of Kyle’s posts on this thread and then throw stones appropriately.
Sean
December 22nd, 2006 at 7:40 pm
“Just because someobody has just moved to a new place or wants to vote more than once does not mean they shouldn’t be allowed to. Voting is what makes America great and we should make it as easy as possible to vote as many times as is necessary to achieve OUR America.”
LiberalPal…thats stupid… just plain stupid.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:56 pm
LiberalPal is clearly an idiot, or a drunk.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:48 pm
Sean, not sure what you’re talking about. Sorry to point out your illogical and ridiculous conclusions with facts. But, that’s what liberal idiots like you should get used to.
Read all my posts. The worst I may have said is “you’re stupid”… Again, just stating facts.
December 23rd, 2006 at 2:14 am
Sean is right to point out this post:
http://www.minnesotademocratsexposed.com/2006/11/07/minneapolis-city-attorney-keeps-polls-open-in-precinct-at-request-of-dfl
Michael, why didn’t you ever say you were wrong, and that there was a court order?
December 23rd, 2006 at 3:17 am
“Sean,” Kyle is always right on. We are all correct in throwing stones at you.
December 23rd, 2006 at 11:01 am
Kyle, are you serious? I’ve seen you apologize twice on here for going over the top in your comments. You really want someone to look at your comments from say the last week in September and the second week in October?
My point of you being clueless is made by your first line. I guess Bush never said ’stay the course’ and the war in Iraq is making us safer.
You’re nuts.
December 23rd, 2006 at 1:49 pm
Republicans like Kyle are never wrong – that would be admitting weakness, and weakness is not tolerated in the Republican faith.
December 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pm
DJZ… I was referring to comments to Sean. In this post. So, no. I was not kidding you.
Brian — get bent. You’re too stupid to count.
December 23rd, 2006 at 8:34 pm
Dear, its Secretary of State-elect Ritchie, not “Candidate Ritchie