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	<title>Comments on: MDE EXCLUSIVE: EXPOSING AL FRANKENâ€™S CAMPAIGN FOR THE U.S. SENATE; PROFESSOR CALLS USE OF UNIVERSITY RESOURCES &#8220;REGRETFUL&#8221; #2</title>
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		<title>By: wtm</title>
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		<dc:creator>wtm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How is it that conservatives want politics out of political science classes, but have no problem putting religion into primary schools.&quot;

And why is it that liberals want the government out of the bedroom, yet want to bring the bedroom into the classroom?  

What does any of this have to do with the issue at hand, which is the use of an email account operated by a public entity by a professor whose salary is paid by the public for the purpose of soliciting research assistance for a Senate candidate from one political party?  

The point is, in fact, that Coleman&#039;s campaign did not receive the same treatment because Kenney did not solicit research assistance for Coleman&#039;s campaign.  Rather, she solicited research assistance for Franken&#039;s campaign.  If Kenney truly wanted the email to be a private, personal email, then she would have: a) used a personal account to send the solicitation and b) not implied that the research is to be conducted under the auspices of the Humphrey Institute.  The effect of both of those actions by Kenney is to impliedly associate the Humphrey Institute with her solicitation for research.  As such, she now has a professional obligation to solicit research assistance for Coleman&#039;s campaign as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How is it that conservatives want politics out of political science classes, but have no problem putting religion into primary schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>And why is it that liberals want the government out of the bedroom, yet want to bring the bedroom into the classroom?  </p>
<p>What does any of this have to do with the issue at hand, which is the use of an email account operated by a public entity by a professor whose salary is paid by the public for the purpose of soliciting research assistance for a Senate candidate from one political party?  </p>
<p>The point is, in fact, that Coleman&#8217;s campaign did not receive the same treatment because Kenney did not solicit research assistance for Coleman&#8217;s campaign.  Rather, she solicited research assistance for Franken&#8217;s campaign.  If Kenney truly wanted the email to be a private, personal email, then she would have: a) used a personal account to send the solicitation and b) not implied that the research is to be conducted under the auspices of the Humphrey Institute.  The effect of both of those actions by Kenney is to impliedly associate the Humphrey Institute with her solicitation for research.  As such, she now has a professional obligation to solicit research assistance for Coleman&#8217;s campaign as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred -- you are the only one who has said that. Debating your self isn&#039;t a substitute for recognizing the informed opinions of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &#8212; you are the only one who has said that. Debating your self isn&#8217;t a substitute for recognizing the informed opinions of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Garvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Garvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is, y&#039;all seem to think that public policy students should learn in an environment free of the actual politics they are being taught to influence. 

For a grad student, working for a senatorial candidate is a great opportunity.  I don&#039;t care if it is Franken, Norm or Ole Savior.  So, when a professor uses a junk mail listserv to offer that chance, I see it as a great opportunity, not a great threat to the American way.  And I am calling you all out on jumping to the conclusion that Norm Coleman would not receive similar treatment.  You want to believe there are boogeymen in the bushes so badly, you won&#039;t even test your hypothesis before anointing it true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is, y&#8217;all seem to think that public policy students should learn in an environment free of the actual politics they are being taught to influence. </p>
<p>For a grad student, working for a senatorial candidate is a great opportunity.  I don&#8217;t care if it is Franken, Norm or Ole Savior.  So, when a professor uses a junk mail listserv to offer that chance, I see it as a great opportunity, not a great threat to the American way.  And I am calling you all out on jumping to the conclusion that Norm Coleman would not receive similar treatment.  You want to believe there are boogeymen in the bushes so badly, you won&#8217;t even test your hypothesis before anointing it true.</p>
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		<title>By: Breezy the RoughRider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breezy the RoughRider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raving Rover has reincarnated himself as Fred Garvin. The deeply flawed logic is identical, the nonsensical calls for &#039;proof&#039; are identical, the tinfoil hat is undoubtedly identical. Goofball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raving Rover has reincarnated himself as Fred Garvin. The deeply flawed logic is identical, the nonsensical calls for &#8216;proof&#8217; are identical, the tinfoil hat is undoubtedly identical. Goofball.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, which &quot;fact&quot; or &quot;truth&quot; have you told? The one about religion in primary schools? Please give an example. There are zero religion classes taught in public schools. And no conservative I&#039;ve heard of advocates that there should be. 

Beyond that, your argument boils down to: &quot;The other kids do it&quot;... without ever substantiating which kids, and when. 

Your&#039;s is a piss poor argument. 

Most of the commenters here are expressing some legitimate concern over what appears to be misuse of taxpayer resources to advance the cause of a particular political campaign. We also have stated, many times, that it matters not whether it is a liberal or conservative campaign. 

My guess is, you&#039;d be comfortable defending and justifying cold-blooded murder so long as it was a Democrat who pulled the trigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, which &#8220;fact&#8221; or &#8220;truth&#8221; have you told? The one about religion in primary schools? Please give an example. There are zero religion classes taught in public schools. And no conservative I&#8217;ve heard of advocates that there should be. </p>
<p>Beyond that, your argument boils down to: &#8220;The other kids do it&#8221;&#8230; without ever substantiating which kids, and when. </p>
<p>Your&#8217;s is a piss poor argument. </p>
<p>Most of the commenters here are expressing some legitimate concern over what appears to be misuse of taxpayer resources to advance the cause of a particular political campaign. We also have stated, many times, that it matters not whether it is a liberal or conservative campaign. </p>
<p>My guess is, you&#8217;d be comfortable defending and justifying cold-blooded murder so long as it was a Democrat who pulled the trigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce/Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce/Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;d like to see discussed is some solutions to the Republicans movement away from the core values. I always injoy taking shots at liberals that can&#039;t decide whether to come out of the closet as socialist or stay in stealth mode. But lets start setting the foundation for the candidates that are going to have to run against the moon bats in 08. 

Smaller less intrusive government, and holding the line on government spending.

What in the heck is Pawlenty thinking by increasing the budget by $2.9 Billion. There goes the surplus and then some. 

I&#039;m afraid the Rep&#039;s have lost their way. Are we going to become the mirror image of the leftist finger pointers, or actually lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;d like to see discussed is some solutions to the Republicans movement away from the core values. I always injoy taking shots at liberals that can&#8217;t decide whether to come out of the closet as socialist or stay in stealth mode. But lets start setting the foundation for the candidates that are going to have to run against the moon bats in 08. </p>
<p>Smaller less intrusive government, and holding the line on government spending.</p>
<p>What in the heck is Pawlenty thinking by increasing the budget by $2.9 Billion. There goes the surplus and then some. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid the Rep&#8217;s have lost their way. Are we going to become the mirror image of the leftist finger pointers, or actually lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave of the VRWC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave of the VRWC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theskippy.

I&#039;m thinking the same thing. As much as I&#039;d love to jump all over something, this just doesn&#039;t seem like a huge scandel. To me, the University putting on the Catholic bashing play is more of an issue (just not an issue for this list).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theskippy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking the same thing. As much as I&#8217;d love to jump all over something, this just doesn&#8217;t seem like a huge scandel. To me, the University putting on the Catholic bashing play is more of an issue (just not an issue for this list).</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Garvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Garvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always tell conservatives like Michael and Kyle, as they are the ones sprinting at full speed away from pesky things like &quot;facts&quot; and &quot;the truth&quot; in an effort to make their points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always tell conservatives like Michael and Kyle, as they are the ones sprinting at full speed away from pesky things like &#8220;facts&#8221; and &#8220;the truth&#8221; in an effort to make their points.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always tell liberals like Fred, you just can&#039;t tell them much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always tell liberals like Fred, you just can&#8217;t tell them much.</p>
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		<title>By: BigJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Call me crazy&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re crazy, male prostitute Fred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Call me crazy</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re crazy, male prostitute Fred.</p>
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		<title>By: theskippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>theskippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all,

I&#039;m a Humphrey student and this issue is way overblown.  The Humphrey personal listserv is notorious for spam.  In the last week alone I have received e-mails for textbooks, people not turning the lights off when they leave a room, a grandmother&#039;s car for sale, and a student sledding event over the weekend.  Every weekday I get about 15 listserv e-mails, of which I find about one or two personally useful.

Professor Kenney merely sent out a personal e-mail looking for like-minded individuals.  Any student or faculty member can do the same.  In fact, I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll be receiving e-mails asking for support or interns from all major candidates and political parties.  Anyone who wishes to not receive such e-mails, can unsubscribe from the listserv at any time. 

Seriously, I&#039;m sure we all have more important things than to hype up this non-issue.  Personally, I&#039;m going to read my public finance homework.

Night all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Humphrey student and this issue is way overblown.  The Humphrey personal listserv is notorious for spam.  In the last week alone I have received e-mails for textbooks, people not turning the lights off when they leave a room, a grandmother&#8217;s car for sale, and a student sledding event over the weekend.  Every weekday I get about 15 listserv e-mails, of which I find about one or two personally useful.</p>
<p>Professor Kenney merely sent out a personal e-mail looking for like-minded individuals.  Any student or faculty member can do the same.  In fact, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll be receiving e-mails asking for support or interns from all major candidates and political parties.  Anyone who wishes to not receive such e-mails, can unsubscribe from the listserv at any time. </p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;m sure we all have more important things than to hype up this non-issue.  Personally, I&#8217;m going to read my public finance homework.</p>
<p>Night all.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Garvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Garvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have any idea what the Humphrey Institute is?  

How is it that conservatives want politics out of political science classes, but have no problem putting religion into primary schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have any idea what the Humphrey Institute is?  </p>
<p>How is it that conservatives want politics out of political science classes, but have no problem putting religion into primary schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, you are comparing apples to oranges to blur the issue.

I have no doubt that they would post an opportunity on the Coleman campaign if approached.

I think it is inappropriate either way (and unlikely at best on the right) that a professor, in her capacity as someone organizing for a specific campaign, would use a taxpayer funded resource to organize students for that campaign.

And if they did, there would be outrage on the left.

Political discourse on campus defines what campus life should be (in part).  That is different than the one-sided abuse of public resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, you are comparing apples to oranges to blur the issue.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that they would post an opportunity on the Coleman campaign if approached.</p>
<p>I think it is inappropriate either way (and unlikely at best on the right) that a professor, in her capacity as someone organizing for a specific campaign, would use a taxpayer funded resource to organize students for that campaign.</p>
<p>And if they did, there would be outrage on the left.</p>
<p>Political discourse on campus defines what campus life should be (in part).  That is different than the one-sided abuse of public resources.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;AP: FRANKEN LOOKING TO ACADEMICS FOR HELP WITH ISSUES&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>AP: FRANKEN LOOKING TO ACADEMICS FOR HELP WITH ISSUES</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Dumbing it Down For the Left</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumbing it Down For the Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that scares me most, is that all of this exposure just makes Franken all that more likely to get in to this race quickly and aggressively.

He isn&#039;t going to be besmirched by a right-wing blogger. 

And he isn&#039;t going to back down because of this kind of bad press.

I bet Franken gets into this race in the next several weeks, and this makes it more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that scares me most, is that all of this exposure just makes Franken all that more likely to get in to this race quickly and aggressively.</p>
<p>He isn&#8217;t going to be besmirched by a right-wing blogger. </p>
<p>And he isn&#8217;t going to back down because of this kind of bad press.</p>
<p>I bet Franken gets into this race in the next several weeks, and this makes it more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Garvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Garvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until someone shows me proof that the same offer would not be extended to Norm Coleman were he to ask, I will reject your idea that there is an issue here.  

Call me crazy, but I think that public policy students working with candidates is a rather good idea. The last thing we need is more people in politics who learned everything they know from a textbook about politics. 

If the Humphrey Institute will ONLY help democrats, I will be the first to say that heads need to roll.  But you have yet to prove anything close to that.  What you have here (as usual) is a poorly crafted conspiracy theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until someone shows me proof that the same offer would not be extended to Norm Coleman were he to ask, I will reject your idea that there is an issue here.  </p>
<p>Call me crazy, but I think that public policy students working with candidates is a rather good idea. The last thing we need is more people in politics who learned everything they know from a textbook about politics. </p>
<p>If the Humphrey Institute will ONLY help democrats, I will be the first to say that heads need to roll.  But you have yet to prove anything close to that.  What you have here (as usual) is a poorly crafted conspiracy theory.</p>
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