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RED STATE: “DEMOCRATIC ELECTION WITNESSES UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR ELECTION IMPROPRIETIES…”
By Michael B. Brodkorb | November 8, 2007
"Imagine that you were the House Democrats for a moment. You are holding a hearing trying to demonstrate that same-day voter registration has only insignificant amounts of fraud. Of course, that's not true, as John Fund has pointed out, but that's never stopped you.
But if you are going make the argument, do you invite a witness under investigation for using government resources for fundraising? Probably not, but that's what Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) is doing.
Read on.
She has invited the Minnesota Secretary of State to testify on this. But … he is under investigation for using lists obtained in his capacity as Secretary of State for fundraising purposes, a story broken by the conservative blog Minnesota Democrats Exposed:" Source: Red State, November 8, 2007
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Secretary of State Ritchie might not receive a very warm reception in Washington. D.C. It would appear that his shoddy record in Minnesota has followed him.
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November 9th, 2007 at 7:27 AM
Minnesota has EDR, but where is the fraud Michael? Let’s look back just at the past 7 years where millions of ballots have been cast under the EDR laws (which, of course have been around much longer). You claim that it is “not true” that EDR has insignificant amounts of voter fraud, but I ask where is the proof? Of the millions and millions of votes cast in those years, where are the cases, alleged or proved in a court of law, that a significant amount of voter fraud had occurred? Perhaps Kiffmeyer will shed some light on the horrible fraud she witnessed under her tenure.
Do you disagree that the “trust but verify” voting policies in Minnesota have led to rampant voting fraud in our state? Would literacy tests, grandfather clauses and poll taxes give you more confidence that the right people are voting in Minnesota elections? (Oh wait, I’m sure the MNGOP would like all of those except for a poll tax, because it would shatter a no new tax pledge — perhaps a poll fee?)
November 9th, 2007 at 7:53 AM
Ouch that one must have hurt MDE!
November 9th, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Franco:
There have been cases where people have been prosecuted for voting in multiple cases. I work at a place that does drivers license transactions where the lady was told she couldn’t register at her new polling place because she hadn’t changed her address before election day and didn’t know that will be a problem.
The biggest problems are:
* It can happen and Franco I’m sorry to say one illegal vote is one illegal vote too many. Some of these school ballot questions were won or lost by very small margins.
* It means that the Republican party in particular needs to have lots of poll site volunteers to watch out and challenge voters who might not be legal. Part of the lack of data is that Republicans have lack resources to have poll site volunteers to do this important task because their bodies are needed to do other important election day functions (the Democrats don’t have the bodies either, but since your person most likely to vote illegal support the Democrats they won’t be in hurry to expose that)
* It’s a function of county attorneys to prosecute people doing voter fraud. A famous case you might not be aware of was that woman terrorist who lived under the name Sarah Olson I believe. She had been living under a phony name because she was on the run from the law. She voted in several elections technically under a phony identity. The County attorney didn’t prosecute her.
* Not to mention Franco Democrats don’t seem to have a problem with lawbreakers when they support them. When Sarah Olson a person accussed of bank robbery and murders was caught one DFL lawmaker asked, “Why don’t they go after some real criminals?” They thought it was okay because she was a Mom and a person who gave to DFL causes that she shouldn’t be prosecuted. The big deal with Mark Ritchie is that it looks like he has comprised the office and leaked possibly confidential data and the DFL doesn’t care.
* And Franco I’m worried about fraud. What I will like to see is a law where everybody who has voted and is on a voter registration to rereg and “show” proof of their legal US Citizenship. I will be the first person to do so if that law passes. Currently under Minnesota Law you can be a “legal” alien living in Minnesota and get a drivers license or ID card that doesn’t show you’re not a US Citizen. If a person vouches for you can vote (so what if the person probably knows you’re not suppose to be legal to vote). I’m not even against registering on election day. Just make the people show proof that they are legal US Citizens to vote isn’t a ridiculous step Franco? Or are you going to disagree with that simple premise.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 9th, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Michael what committee is that hearing suppose to be in and when. I’ll like to know if I can have some time to email lawmakers for the good it will do. But it will show why Ritchie hasn’t responded to lawmaker letters since he was too busy preparing testimony for the Democrats and not caring about his own law breaking.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 9th, 2007 at 11:02 AM
thank god I’m off today. I had a chance to research this the committee in case anybody wants to know is the Subcommittee on elections for the House Administration Committee. I sent an email to the minority office contact person, but it wouldn’t hurt if other people do that.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 9th, 2007 at 11:25 AM
It’s fairly well-known, but not well-publicized, that HUNDREDS of same-day voters were sent postcards to the addresses they registered under within days of the election and they were returned to the SOS’s offices–ADDRESSEE UNKNOWN. So yes, that is fraud and I would like to see it prosecuted, especially in years when 55 votes lost us Phil Krinkie. I’ll bet if the PP had really dug, they could have found the number of same day registrants whose postcards were returned in his district alone. But no one cares. At least not those whose candidates won. They’re either so naive to think the fraud doesn’t exist, or they’re lying thru their teeth. Either way, I neither trust them or believe them.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Walter your throw the baby out with the bathwater approach is baloney without proof of widespread voter fraud in Minnesota.
I love this line “Republicans have lack resources” not for the poor grammar, but that you think people actually believe that.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Walter,
From everything I know people living here illegally generally do whatever to keep a low profile, mainly because they are afraid of being caught and deported.
I find it highly unlikely that many of these folks would be willing to go to the polls and risk a confrontation or anything that raises an eyebrow. Sure there are probably exceptions, but I imagine very few.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:19 PM
I know from working at the SOS that there are thousands of the postal verification cards from same-day registrants that are returned as undeliverable after an election. But, nothing can be done after the fact. Besides, it’s not like people put their real names on the postcards, they use pseudonyms and just get their political buddies to vouch for them (no ID required, you know). And, the voucher can’t really be prosecuted for fraud because the law doesn’t require the voucher to know the person’s identity but only to say that they recognize the person as living in the precinct (not even at a specific address). The problem isn’t people living here illegally; the problem is the highly motivated politicos who have no hesitation about doing whatever it takes to vote multiple times.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:33 PM
Mender I can assure you they don’t keep a low profile. I work in a public office. They will come in and when I ask for ID they will show a Mexico consular card, a Mexico voting card etc. They even buy cars and can’t show a Minnesota drivers license because they are illegal. So it isn’t a stretch to think they will vote especially if it’s for somebody that will give them amenesty!!! So Mender you’re wrong.
Dan G. as for the Republicans lacking resources I’ll make a simple point. If they were doing more to try to identify fraud and have it prosecuted the only explanation is they haven’t been devoting the resources. The Hennepin County Attorney is a Democrat. I don’t see him going after it. I don’t see the Ramsey County Attorney going after it. It will have to be pushed by the Republicans. The only explanation for their not pushing it is lack of resources.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 9th, 2007 at 3:52 PM
I knew it. A state worker. Too bad you don’t get paid to obssesively troll MDE, as you would be making a fortune!!
Halter Wanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 9th, 2007 at 4:11 PM
Halter I’m not a state worker! So you shouldn’t make assumptions. I work for a motor vehicle deputy office which does work on behalf of the state of Minnesota for things like motor vehicle and drivers license so I can understand the confussion.
I work very hard. I think I’m underpaid. And Halter if you read one of my earlier posts today I’m off so I’m not trolling!!!!!
And Halter will you accept the fact that since I am suppose to know something about how public data is used that the Secreatary of State’s office has until they explain it away broken the law.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 9th, 2007 at 6:56 PM
“From everything I know people living here illegally generally do whatever to keep a low profile, mainly because they are afraid of being caught and deported.”
Pfft, yeah not like they’d go out and march in the streets to demand we ignore their illegal status or anything…damn moonbats have given me *another* pounding headache.
November 9th, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Walter,
Your argument makes little sense. There is a reason to take a risk to aquire a driver’s license or to purchase a vehicle. There is little reason to take that risk to vote, because the outcome is usually moot, unless someone is paying you a big chunk of change, which I don’t hear you claiming.
You mention amnesty, but since that issue is decided mostly on a federal level, if these people do vote it would likely be in regards to federal candidates for US House and US Senate. Tell me how many votes Ellison and McCollum won by last election? It wasn’t close (for that matter neither was Klobuchar’s race) so their votes would have had little impact. Why would you take that risk for a candidate that is going to win in a landslide?
The fact remains Walter you don’t have any data that large numbers of illegal folks are voting here in Minnesota. Do some? Sure, probably a handful do, just as a handful of dead people on the rolls do, and just as some dishonest Republicans do, but there is no data that shows that any of those actions has in recent memory ever swung an election. With that in mind, why is it worth changing the voting regulations and making changes that will basically mean thousands of legal Minnesota voters will not be able to vote? Why do you want lines that sometimes are already an hour to turn into three hours at the polling place? The answer is because making voting more inconveinent would mean less DFL voters, which would benefit your party.
November 10th, 2007 at 10:51 AM
Mender lets get a couple of facts straight:
* When Charlie Weaver was Director of Public Safety for Ventura 9-11 happened. Weaver was a nonsense guy who didn’t think it was a good idea Minnesota was allowing people who might not legally be in the country to get a drivers license or ID. He changed the rules to force people to show proof that you are legally in US. Those rules were done adminstrative. They have never been legislative which means a DFL governor in the future can get somebody to change them without a vote of the people or heaven forbid the legislature.
* Mender last time I looked we vote for state people at the same time as we do Federal. so if they’re there to vote for federal candidates (especially if recruited) they can vote for state candidates. Umm. this candidate is opposing this Republican who talks tough on not giving state aide to illegal immigrants this Democrat wants to give state aid to illegal immigrants if I’m already voting illegally for a US Senate candidate might as well cast a vote for that state race too!!!!
* There have been elections involving fraud in other states which did happen! The best offense is a good defense!!!! We’re talking about California in 1996 when Bob Doran lost his race to a very large illegal alien vote and South Dakota in 2002 where more than 98% of three Indian tribes showed up and voted in numbers that even don’t show up for Communist countries (oh they voted almost 100% for the Democrat candidate for Senate who won by less than a thousand votes I believe). Your fraud is there it can’t be denied!!
You said it wasn’t close in 2006, but that doesn’t mean in 2008 it will be close! I wouldn’t want Hillary to just barely beat the Republican candidate for President because illegal aliens voted. And the governor’s race was very close!!!! That’s why you take the risk. And just for your information Ellison I think had the lowest percentage of the vote for a fifth district candidate. His margin looked lopised because there were two candidates. And there were some state races where the margin was less than 100 votes. So your argument about taking the risk is phony. You take the risk too make sure you win races which you think you might win!!!
As for lack of evidence on a national scale besides the two races I mentioned in a bunch of states US attorneys have filed charges against one group accorn because they were active in turning register voters in 2006 that weren’t at their addresses or didn’t exist (remember earlier post about it having to be prosecuted). Lets remember there are multiple groups running around trying to get people to vote (Ritchie I believe was a member of one of those groups)
You said why take the risk on buying a car. There is no risk to buy a car. I have people in here who don’t show a Minnesota drivers and sometimes just show their Mexico consular ID card.
While the Department of Transportation toughed up on the DL side the MV side issues the titles. Our office does passports also and there is no risk for them to come in and apply for a passport for their US born kid so there is no risk to say they will vote!
The fact Mender is that this is a very serious problem or in theory could be a serious problem for just one race. The cure is to reform the system so it doesn’t happen for sure!!!!
But since you want the Democrats to win you don’t care since your candidate will win instead of losing with those votes you’re claiming doesn’t exist.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 10th, 2007 at 7:15 PM
Walter, time and time again in your posts you mention other states, but you have no evidence of coordinated voter fraud in Minnesota. You can talk out of your ass all day, but until you can show everyone your evidence that this is happening in Minnesota you are just blowing smoke!
Making every Tom, Dick and Harry show ID every time they vote will make our polling places slow significantly and in turn discourage many hardworking folks who have little time to spare in the first place from voting. How can you hold a straight face while making this argument and say it’s no political? It’s purely political and it’s a pointless discussion unless you can show some evidence.
I don’t buy your complaining about the county attorneys as well, so your telling me in the 87 or so counties we have in Minnesota, we don’t have any right leaning county attorneys? If voter fraud was so widespread as you say it is, then one of them should have an easy time making a case. Where are the piles and piles of cases then?
As for your comment on the 5th district race, there were not two candidates as you stated, there were three. The third was a Republican who got his ass kicked by Ellison and Tammy Lee, which is pretty bad considering both not top shelf candidates.
Walter, there is no cure to a problem that doesn’t even exist in Minnesota, so either go find some evidence so you could make an intelligent argument or find a new subject.
November 11th, 2007 at 10:15 AM
Mender:
* Are Prosecutions of ACCORN not evidence?
* Are the two election results not evidence?
Mender the problem we have is you’re ignoring the evidence and common sense on this point! You’re just like an ostrich sticking his head in the ground not wanting to see the problem or act on it.
Mender I heard about this case on the radio about showing ID. Somebody complained about how in 2004 they showed up to vote yet the polling place said he had already voted since there was a signature for his line on the voter page. Somebody had decided to vote and use this voters name. So this hard working person you care about had his vote lost! It’s that easy to commit fraud Mender!!!!!! Mender I’m alarmed about documentation. Years ago when I showed up for election day when my parents died I told the voter judge they needed to be removed and was allowed to get them removed without having to show documentation. Oh that’s right fraud doesn’t exist in your world and itsn’t necessary to combat!!!!
Mender I have the straight face since I want everybody’s vote to count. It isn’t fair that somebody who is a legal alien who has a Minnesota Drivers that doesn’t show a status check can walk in to a polling register to vote and vote. I find it unfair that people who can’t vote can be recuited and vouched for.
What is political just like the airports where the problem is since your normal possible terrorist is a young arab male the airport security insted will do random searches of children and old ladies to show they are fair minded. Mind you we go through the hassell of airport security because in the past planes have been hijacked and we’re trying to make it harder for terrorists to hijack plane. Under your line of reasoning since a plane that has flown out of Minneapolis-Saint Paul International airport hasn’t been hijacked (to the best of my knowledge) there is no need to do any screening of passengers since hijacking of a flight isn’t a risk at all! Mender I bet passengers who fear possibly getting hijacked will love that type of security, but those are the type of flights you want to fly Mender. Your attitude is like airport security ignore the possible threat just because you want to be politically correct.
MENDER if you think I’m being silly answer this question, “My candidate won’t win unless we have some people vote illegally for my candidate therefore I want people to vote illegally so my candidate can win.” Is that a true statement to you?
And Mender if your reasoning is I’m being silly why does every company that make passenger liners have to go by a bunch of rules that were created after one ship sank in the early 1900′s because it wasn’t their cruiseline that had over a thousand people die for a lack of lifeboats and wasn’t carefully with ice bergs.
The point Mender is just like airport security and cruiselines the goal is since you know it’s possible you try to prevent no if’s, and’s, or but’s.
Unless of course like Mender you want people illegally voting to help your candidate win.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 11th, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Oh Mender if you look at the Secreatary of State’s website Alan Fine the Republican candidate got more votes than Tammy Lee. My comment regarding Ellison is that compare with Martin Sabo who regullarly got into the 70% vote range he barely broke 55%. Fine’s number was consistent with Sabo’s normal performance. Ellison was saved since the antiellison vote was held by two candidates. No Lee and that vote would have been over 40% easily.
But in your world since you think Tammy Lee got far more votes than Alan Fine it just shows the lack of credibility you have been showing to make your claims on all points here.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN