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ANTI-STRIB POST TITLED “DIRT WORSHIPING HEATHENS” IS RACIST
By Michael B. Brodkorb | November 10, 2007
I have pulled Anti-Strib down from my list of "daily reads" read blogs after reading this post authored by Tracy Eberly. I have also removed Anti-Strib from Party of Pawlenty's blogroll. The decision to remove Anti-Strib from Party of Pawlenty's blogroll was made after speaking with some of the other bloggers who participate in the site.
I believe the post titled "Dirt Worshiping Heathens" is a vile and racist, hate-filled rant. I will not reward a blog that proudly engages in racism and mocks alcoholism in Native American communities with a post tagged with the label "Mad Dog" by providing them with prominent link on a blog that I have editorial control or direct input.
I added Anti-Strib to my "daily reads" after Tracy and some of the other bloggers behind Anti-Strib spoke out against the now-defunct blog, American Hot Sausage (AHS). AHS, authored in part by current Minneapolis School Board member Chris Stewart, featured posts titled "Coon of the Week." Anti-Strib was correct in pointing out the racism on AHS and I invited Tracy and another representative of Anti-Strib to come on my radio show last year to discuss their efforts in exposing AHS.
But their efforts in combating the racism on AHS does not excuse them from engaging and promoting racism. This post is racist and I certainly hope the bloggers who have defended Tracy's post and First Amendment rights will defend my right to speak out against Tracy's post.
Now I will remind the liberal blogosphere that I have spent a considerable amount of time documenting the mean-spirited and bigoted comments made by Al Franken under the guise of satire. Post after post after post has appeared on Minnesota Democrats Exposed.
I have also posted the negative comments about Native Americans made by Al Franken (click here and here) and I haven't heard a peep about these comments from the critics of the post in question from Anti-Strib. I encourage those who have lead the crusade to highlight the racism on Anti-Strib to examine the mean-spirited record of Al Franken.
I'm sure this post will spark an active comment section, which I strongly encourage.
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November 11th, 2007 at 12:01 am
You made the right call, MDE.
Anti-Strib was way out of line with that racist rant. I’m sure their readership is in the single digits — but that does not take away from their vile message.
I’m sure the lefties will attempt to attack you in some way over this….kudos to you for making the right decision.
Stay vigilant.
November 11th, 2007 at 12:11 am
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November 11th, 2007 at 12:15 am
I’m sure the lefties will attempt to attack you in some way over this
Nope. Why would we attack Mike for doing the right thing, if only this once? Good behavior should be rewarded, and cutting Tracy loose is the right decision for any human.
November 11th, 2007 at 12:33 am
I am one of the contributing writers over on Anti-Strib. I read the post in question (didn’t write it) and quite frankly I’m surprised you fell victim to political correctness.
Whenever a truth is uncovered that is not particularly pleasant, it always turns to racism, or something else along those lines. This is one of those occasions.
When referring to the 9/11 attacks, do you think it is not appropriate to say it like it is, they were Islamic terrorists, or, do you use the sanitized politically correct school issued text book version, “a small group of extremists”?
As for me, I’d rather hear it, and tell it, like it is.
November 11th, 2007 at 12:55 am
Admiral: This has nothing to do with political correctness. The post I referenced on Anti-Strib is racist. You have every right to “…tell it, like it is”, but I don’t have to like it or promote it.
November 11th, 2007 at 1:53 am
Good for you. That’s a blog based more on rabid emotion than reasoned thought. I stopped reading it months ago.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:27 am
Admiral, I’m an American Indian. (Notice I didn’t use the PC term for my people…) What Tracy wrote was clearly racist, hate filled, and had very little to do with the truth.
November 11th, 2007 at 7:56 am
I’m sure MDE provided Anti-Strib with more hits over the past ten hours than they’ve had in their entire existence.
It’s too bad they’ll see increased traffic….but I’m sure every person who reads that drivel will see that it’s a hateful rant, something that in not simply political incorrect.
November 11th, 2007 at 8:13 am
“Free speech” doesn’t mean you let every stupid thing your brain concocts fall out of your mouth. Nor does it mean that your analysis, however brilliant you consider it to be, is something that needs to be said.
November 11th, 2007 at 9:12 am
Thank you, Michael, for standing above your colleagues in disassociating yourself from Tracy Eberly and his racist rantings. I’m sure it took a bit of courage to stand up to your MOB bretheran in doing so, but you’ve gained my respect for that.
The personal attacks from some of your lesser MOBsters were predictable. Their defense of Eberly’s hateful writing as something that must be taken “in the context of which it was written” is pathetic.
But there is no context for that kind of trash. Thanks for recognizing that.
November 11th, 2007 at 9:50 am
I know how the KQ crowd feels today.
First, the Anti-Strib regularly gets 1,000 hits a day. We are one of the busier blogs in the MOB.
Here is the dry as toast version of my points:
http://anti-strib.blogspot.com/2007/10/native-american-issues.html
It has nothing to do with the racial characteristics of Native Americans, I think their stone age culture is the source of many of their problems.
Finally, I didn’t ask to be added to Michael’s blog roll, nor the Pawlenty site. He added the Anti-Strib because we went after someone or something with our usual zeal and he liked that. That’s what we do. Now that the group I have taken on is a “protected” PC class, Michael is less impressed with my blog. Sorry, but you don’t get an attack dog one day and a neutered poodle the next.
I have no intention of changing the blog or appoligizing for highlighting the flaws in a culture. (Especially one that we subsidize!)
But hey, the left payed the race card and won this round, so I guess we should all be careful about what we say, or how we say it. That’s the America that the Veteran’s we are celebrating today dioes for, isn’t it?
November 11th, 2007 at 9:58 am
don’t the same liberals that hand wring over Tracy’s comments about Indians also suggest that saying “Islam sucks” is racist too? Yet MDE still linked to the AS despite those claims from the left. Maybe tracy is right, it’s only the protected classes that folks worry about.
I’m disappointed in you Michael. Jumping on the PC bandwagon is not something I would have expected. How very sad.
November 11th, 2007 at 10:15 am
Jim W: I’m not jumping on the “PC bandwagon” but rather speaking out against a vile and racist, hate-filled rant.
There is a big difference. Tracy tagged his post with the label “Mad Dog”, mocking alcoholism in Native American communities. He also tagged the post with the label “food stamps”.
You have every right to “…tell it, like it is”, but I don’t have to like it or promote it.
November 11th, 2007 at 10:42 am
Where is the actual hate in the post? If it is merely the tags, MB’s argument is weak… in fact the Food Stamps tag speaks quite directly to the target of Tracy’s post.
Side note: the thought that the Anti-Strib gets more hits from Michael’s post than anything else out there is ridiculous. In fact, I recall a fairly large spike after we went after the cartoon-sensitive hand-wringers… and that can’t be the only major spike we’ve experienced.
November 11th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Badda: I think the entire post is hateful.
November 11th, 2007 at 11:27 am
It’s much easier to brush the substance of the post in question aside by calling it racism and hoping it will go away. Distancing yourself from it is a politically wise move.
I would like to see someone address it point by point. There are real problems with in the Indian community. Alcoholism, poverty, suicide and unemployment are higher than national averages. They are sovereign nations and I think their culture and leadership is failing them. Why can’t these subjects be discussed without the shrill cry of racism being thrown out?
November 11th, 2007 at 11:52 am
Mike, I also think you are missing a couple of major points. Any pertinence that race has in this question is self imposed. Tracy’s main focus was the inferiority of collectivism as practiced by tribes. That inferiority would apply to Swedes or residents of Frogtown equally.
Second, the purpose of Anti-Strib is encouraging lively, often intense debate. Your contention that we are “engaging and promoting racism” is simply groundless and unsupportable.
I will be the first person to agree that Tracy is an intellectually challenged douche, but a Nazi he is not.
I would suggest you attempt a little context before applying that wide, wide brush.
November 11th, 2007 at 11:57 am
Kermit: The post is a vile and racist, hate-filled rant. You can encourage discussion and intense debate without being racist.
November 11th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Then do so! I’ll look forward to your post encouraging said discussion. I’m sure others will as well.
November 11th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Michael:
I agree with you, but have some questions.
!) When did you decide the post was “a vile and racist, hate-filled rant”?
2) Why wait a month to react?
4) Was there a catalyst to the decision?
Thank you
PS: I have Anti Strib on my Local Righties links and don’t plan to change that. Those are the blogs I read most frequently to give me a perspective fro your side. It doesn’t imply at all I support what they say.
November 11th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Ouch, the post has been up for a month on your “daily” reads list and just now you decided it’s beyond the pale?
I guess it has nothing to do with Ken Avidor’s post on the Daily Kos does it?
Nah, MDE doesn’t take orders from the Kossacks, does he?
November 11th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Flash: I first read the entire post on Friday afternoon.
November 11th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
“Flash: I first read the entire post on Friday afternoon.”
OK, word games again. Let me ask another questions.
When were you first ‘aware’ of the post?
Tracy says “MDE doesn’t take orders from the Kossacks”
No, but he does take direction (but as a self identified independent? blogger doosn’t necessarily follow that direction) from others that are getting nervous about this issue. There was a catalyst involved in his decision, and I am very curious what that catalyst was. Michael is very good at his chosen career path, so we may never find out.
November 11th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
I’m kind of disappointed that Anti-Strib is on Michaels “daily reads” list, yet there was no burst of outrage at the initial post or the four that followed it.
I think Flash might just have a point on the timing of the outrage thing.
I am still waiting for evidence of our “engaging” in or “promoting” racism. You can encourage discussion and intense debate without blithely tossing out charges of racism.
November 11th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Hey Flash:
You’re alive! Why weren’t responding to the points I was getting at on you on another post. I guess your outrage is only when you think you’re right and people can’t prove you’re wrong.
By the way how can you say you respect somebody’s service if you call them a failure?
It seems to me you don’t know what you’re talking about?
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 11th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Flash: I should have explained this in my post, so thanks for the question. I was surfing through the blogosphere on Friday and I notice Karl Bremer’s commentary on the Daily Mole. I went over to Anti-Strib and I decided to read the post.
While I don’t agree with everything Karl wrote in his post, I do agree with him that Tracy’s post is racist. After reading the post again, I decided to pull down the links to Anti-Strib.
I also read some of the posts from other bloggers on this subject (Berg’s Shot in the Dark).
I’ll admit that while Anti-Strib appeared on my list of “daily reads”, I did not read them on a daily basis.
November 11th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Thanks for doing the right thing. I know you probably caught some flack from some of your readership, but I’m glad you see the larger picture. I wish more people would publicly admonish the extreme factions of their respective parties.
November 11th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Thanks Michael.
Walter, I would be glad to respond to your stale questions in private E-Mail. I am sure MB doesn’t want another one of his threads hijacked. You seem to forget that some of us have real lives. I have a beautiful wife, three teenagers (4th son on active duty in the Marines) and a full time job. The Blogosphere is merely a playground for me, not a job or priority in my life.
“”By the way how can you say you respect somebody’s service if you call them a failure?”"
It is not difficult to recognize the sacrifices people make through public service. Regardless of Ideology, there is a strain on personal lives and professional growth. I honor and respect all those who have chosen that path. Some of them were failures in their duties, but doesn’t mean I have to stop respecting and honoring their service. Pretty simple actually.
I have a frame in my den, like my father before me, it displays the sitting President of the United States. Many of those are somewhat surprised to see GW on display, but it is the right thing to do. It’s a respect thing!
Flash
November 11th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Michael
Maybe an open discussion of the serious problems facing the Indian tribes needs to be had. It’s too easy to call Tracy’s post racism and walk away from the issues. What have Mn Dems done to help the tribes? Or Repubs for that matter. What has tribal leadership done? Why is poverty, domestic abuse and alcoholism so prevalant? These are questions you could address if you were interested in something other than distancing yourself from Tracy’s post after all this time.
November 11th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Maxx: I welcome a serious discussion on this subject. I don’t believe a post labeled with the tags “Mad Dog” which mocks alcoholism in Native American communities and tagged with the label “food stamps” is a good starting point for a serious conversation.
I stand by my decision.
November 11th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
I think you are a fucking wimp Michael. Blogs should remove their links to your pc blog since you removed your link to Anti-Strib.
!!BRODKORB IS A WIMP!!TAKE DOWN YOUR LINKS TO HIS PC BLOG!!
November 11th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Fan of Anti-Strib: The post is racist and I stand by my decision.
November 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Bully for Michael Brodkorb.
One of the things we publish at Politics In Minnesota is The Morning Report, Monday thru Friday. You can read more about it, here, as well as subscribe for free:
http://www.politicsinminnesota.com/minnesota-political-news
By far our most popular section is “Best of the Blogs and Think Tank Thoughts.” It’s popular because most people don’t have the time to weed through the blogs, themselves. We work hard to highlight good work.
We often link to MDE. Sure Michael, by definition, is a partisan, but MDE often has new politically salient news and good analysis. If he gets something wrong, he immediately identifies and rectifies, which is what we do at PIM.
But a racist rant is a racist rant. The credibility of what everyone is doing on blogs is greatly enhanced when bad thinking and writing is identified and condemned. Particularly effective is what Michael has done here: A Republican is calling out a rotten post written by another Republican.
IMHO, not enough of this happens on either side of the aisle.
Like Michael, I hadn’t read the AntiStrib post until it was flagged in Steve Perry’s Daily Mole. [Which is the whole point of our publishing the Best of the Blogs in our reports...it's impossible to read them all and have a life.]
I don’t believe I personally know any of the writers at AntiStrib. I haven’t read much of anything on there and I certainly won’t bother, now or in the future.
A racist rant is a racist rant.
I don’t recall whether PIM has ever posted anything from AntiStrib in our reports. Going forward, I have instructed my staff that we will never link to AntiStrib.
What Michael has done here is a significant and important contribution to the integrity of good partisan bloggers of all ideologies.
November 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
The post is not racist because it is the truth. You are a wimp who got scared by the pc lefties. Every CONSERVATIVE blog should remove a links to you pc site.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Oh and to the person who commented on the “Why Islam Sucks” series and wondered why no one gets upset about those “racist” comments I have a news flash for you.
ISLAM IS A RELIGION not a race. If you are going to call slams against Islam racial slams then you are going to have to quit bashing Christianity too!
LL
November 11th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Thanks Sarah, I really appreciate your kind comments.
Fan of Anti-Strib: I’m not sure who you are or if you are affiliated with Anti-Strib. For the record, I consider myself a proud member of the conservative blogosphere.
But I stand by my decision as I consider the post to be racist. I don’t care if every conservative blog removes their link to Minnesota Democrats Exposed.
I stand by my decision.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Actually LL, I disagree with Mitch. The post is racist. As I wrote in a previous comment, I don’t agree with everything Karl wrote in his op-ed for the Daily Mole. I don’t agree with the “guilt by association” argument that he uses. But I do agree with him that Tracy’s post is racist.
LL, I made no statement about the other members of the MOB. It’s up for them to decide what to do. As for me, I have made my decision.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
“Racist, hate filled rant.” “I don`t have to like it or promote it.” Reminds me of the old joke, “What does it mean when a lib calls you racist”? It means you just won the arguement. Same here- call names, but make sure you don`t actually discuss or refute the story with facts or reason. And another thing- how do you know it`s “hate filled”? Is hate (one of many human emotions)now off limits here in North Korea, I`m sorry, Minnesota? How do you know AntiSrib doesn`t instead feel sorry for them? If you want to refute the Darwinian theory of cultures (In AntiSribs origional post), please do. If you want to refute the alcohol or non-land ownership aspect of his comments, please do so with reason and maybe some facts. If you don`t agree with the “what books have they written or what science discoverys have they made” line of thinking,please try and persuade us otherwise. Maybe you will. But “racist and hate filled” is just a cop-out line. Sounds like a Liberal arguement against illegal immigration or some such thing. Which of course isn`t an arguement at all.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
The links have started to come down you fucking wimp.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Fan of Anti-Strib: I don’t know who you are. But I encourage you to post the names of the conservative blogs that have or will be removing the links to Minnesota Democrats Exposed because I correctly labeled Tracy’s post as racist.
If the “links have started to come down” as you claim, then you must know the names of the blogs.
I stand by my decision.
November 11th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Michael - I don’t doubt that you stand by your comment. However, I am trying to get you to realize that by devoting a post to this and the 41 comments (and counting) you are actually DRIVING traffic to the post in question.
A better response would have been to address it in person etc. By linking to it you (and Karl) are giving it more exposure.
I expect Karl to start denouncing any and all attacks that have ever been launched at Condi Rice IMMEDIATELY in order for him to show his consistency! Oh silly me….I know that will never happen.
LL
November 11th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
LL: I think the discussion for the most part had been helpful and productive.
November 11th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
Lady Logician - bashing theocrats isn’t the same thing as bashing particular religions. I have no desire for a theocratic state of any sort. For example see my post here, where I strongly condemn some of the liberal international gay rights organizations for not speaking up about this attrocity in Iran:
http://lloydletta.blogspot.com/2006/08/no-excuses-for-iran-richard-rosendall.html
I also have no desire for state sponsored religion in this country - and like the first amendment as it is, thank you very much - and have posted as much. Criticizing charlatans such as Mac Hammond does not equal “bashing christianity.”
I’ll also agree with you that both Condi Rice and Colin Powell have been victims of many racist attacks. The ones I’ve seen on Condi Rice have been especially viscious.
That doesn’t take away the fact, that this post on Anti-Strib was a racist post. The “points” that Tracy was supposedly trying to make could have been made without resorting to the language he used.
When I wrote about this post a month ago, I reposed the entire post, and pull quoted some of the comment thread. One of Tracy’s commenters made a veiled threat about going to Tracy’s clients. I don’t think that’s the way to address this, but what Michael’s doing here, is - it’s a way for bloggers to set standards.
Lady Logician’s citation of Berg’s post was interesting. Berg started out by an ad hominem attack on Karl Bremer the messenger:
“Karl Bremer, foul-mouthed Stillwater screechmonger, who has found via the local alt-meda a ready outlet and ravenous market for his raving vein-bulging screeching inner lout.
….Is he counting on inertia (a reasonable assumption) to keep his audience from knowing the actual context in which Eberly was writing?
So read Eberly’s piece. I did. For the first time. I didn’t like it much, and don’t agree with it. Of course, I understand where it comes from - and it’s not racism.
To know that, of course, the reader would need to know the context of the story as well as the pull-quotes Bremer has elected to highlight. But that would undercut Bremer’s foamy-mouthed, self-righteous “point”.
[Then he blames commenter "Doug" for the piece]
Do I care for the tone of Tracy’s piece? Of course not. Of course, unlike Bremer, I know some of the backstory that is probably opaque to Bremer and his readers; as he notes, Eberly is reacting to “Doug”, a malignant comment-section tumor (one of only four people that’s ever been banned from this blog) who claims to be (among many, many things) Native American, and who relentlessly romanticizes Native culture. “Doug” is such a remorselessly abrasive jagoff that if he were to start advocating for unicorns and puppies, I’d be tempted to rhetorically warm up the .270 and the meatgrinder. And I hate that - because while I deeply respect Native culture (I’ve spent a lot of time reading about hunter-gatherer and aboriginal farming cultures in recent years) within their cultural context, Doug’s relentless preening is enough to make Russell Means break out a copy of Fort Apache out of pure snotty spite.
Tracy’s article is an attempt to let the air out of a really obnoxious balloon. Was it coarse and un-PC and maybe just a tad less artful than I’d shoot for, myself? Sure. Remember, I banned Doug rather than indulge in a reaction I’d rather not have; after almost six years of this, I’ve learned to pick and choose my stressors. Tracy sees it differently; that’s Tracy.
I don’t endorse his reaction; neither do I think it’s a sign of racism or lousy character or bad breath or anything other than wanting to give the relentless prig Doug a rhetorical wedgie.
EY: Mitch Berg is wrong. Michael Brodkorb is right - and doing the right thing.
November 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Mitch got this part right though
“Suffice to say every regional leftybloggers had best be very careful about their own flippant bigotries.”
November 11th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Bravo Michael. This piece is just a big racist rant. It provides very little factual based knowledge and just a slew of insults. This writing really could have been turned into more of an intellectual anaylsis which, while I would still disagree, it would be palatable. Instead, Tracy chose to be racist and crude and that is where the problem lies. He could have chosen to write this piece in an eloquent, thoughtful, respectful approach but instead chose to name call. Anyone who wouldnt consider this a racist rant is nothing more than full of shit, if to put it bluntly.
And here would be the debate part of the piece.
Tracy fails to mention that Native Americans conducted “terrorist acts” because we took their land, took their resources, killed them, and relocated them. They did absolutely nothing wrong because if you had been in their position you would have killed the Americans too. They were fighting for their independence much like we had fought for our independence, we were just sucessful. Were we terrorists, in a sense yes, were our terroristic actions wrong, no. It applies to them, what do you do in the face of extinction to your civilization, sit back and let it happen or steal and kill the people doing it.
Also, Tracy fails to note the connection between the Native Americans and other people of color. Blacks, Hispanis, Asians, they all have the problem of an unproportional amount of poverty, crime, drop out rates and drug problems. Are they lesser races, no. It is the system that our society has created that has forced them into these roles.
It is also pretty pathetic to talk so poorly of the Native American culture, as if Tracy even knows the culture. I must wonder if Tracy bothered doing any research for this, I dont know anything off the top of my head but I can imagine he severly underscoring many accomplishments that Native Americans must have had in music, dance, art, hunting, farming, story telling, weaving, sewing and the list could probably go on. Tracy simply being unable to appreciate different cultures, even if they are much simpler than our own, makes me sad for him. Stepping outside of one’s box and getting to fully appreciate someone else’s life is a profound experience and I doubt Tracy will ever experience that because his way of life is just so much better.
November 11th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Andrew, first of all, we prefer to be called American Indians, and not the pc term of Native Americans.
Also, add to the list of accomplishments: the US Constitution was derived from the Iroquois Great Law of Peace.
November 11th, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Good call Michael. The post in question, frankly, is just stupid. If there was a particular point the author was attempting to make, there are at least a dozen more productive and intelligent means to do so.
As is, it truly is just a rant. A dumb, angry, racist rant.
Moreover, I noticed they are whining today about critical reaction to the stupid, racist rant.
Hey jackass, yes we do value free-speech. Sorry to see you’re such a pussy that you can’t handle others exercising their free speech to react to and outright reject your ignorant, hate-filled, worthless rant.
Here’s a clue: Have an opinion… better yet, make it an informed opinion… then, when expressing it, make a point, and back those points up with facts.
To-date, all you’ve done is spread your shit opinion on your shit Web site…. Don’t cry when your shit is thrown out.
You pussy.
November 11th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
Lady Logician, actually, Michael has a responsibility to speak up about this post publicly when it was brought to his attention. I was surprised that he didn’t go and read the post when Karl Bremer posted about this in a comment to an MDE post about a statement Al Franken made about Native Americans.
He spoke out once he read Karl’s article and the post - and did the right thing. I noted this post - and the comments, when the post was first out there.
Contrast this to Mitch Berg - who is saying discussing the “context” of the post, and blaming commenter Doug for making Tracy post this. He’s also calling Karl names.
November 11th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Sorry Michael, but I stand by my assertion - you’re jumping on the bandwagon.
http://anti-strib.blogspot.com/2007/11/breaking-news-anti-strib-exclusive.html
November 11th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
Jim W:
I think you and Tracy should come on my radio show next week to discuss your post. Please let me know if you are available.
November 11th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
Flash the only thing that was stale was you kept saying that there was improvement by Mark Ritchie
over Mary K and every time I was asking what was this marked improvement there was silence!
Than I caught you in a lie you said you respect her service yet you call her a failure. And there was silence.
I have a real life also so don’t use that to chicken out. The only reason we have the hijacking as you refer to was you ran away from the post where you should’ve been doing the answering.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
November 11th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
Michael has turned PC to protect his position with the neo cons…it is a losing postion… the terms “hate” and “racist ” is right out of the socialist handbook of terms to tag the right with…calling a spade a spade is NOT racist…
November 11th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Sarah janecek, another reason the GOP in Minnesota is going backwards..why in a few years will have nothing left
November 11th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
“”You kept saying that there was improvement by Mark Ritchie over Mary K”"
It is an opinion, You disagree, I respect that, you don’t.
“Than I caught you in a lie you said you respect her service yet you call her a failure.”
I addressed that specifically. I believe they are mutually exclusive positions. It is not a lie to honor and respect someones service, even if they believe that service was a failure. It is the same position that The GOP, POTUS, and many on the Right took regarding John Kerry. They always on the record honored and respected his service, but consistently attacked him, via the Smear Boaters, about the service itself.
Further comments can be addressed to my private E-Mail, I will not continue this unrelated exchange in MDEs comment section
Flash
November 11th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
I just read the post in question..not a whole lot of there, there…just a lot of truths… eh Flash, the Swift Boaters were right..Kerry lied about his record to win medals..and to think we almost elected that Schmuck
November 11th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Eva, try telling the whole truth. As I told Karl at the time of his assertions that Michael supported that racist post. I said that just because there is a link to another website doesn’t mean he supports or agrees with everything that is said there. And as we can see with this thread, I was correct! So perhaps Karl should also apologize to Michael for accusing him of supporting racism.
November 12th, 2007 at 12:49 am
Eva,
As usual, you cherrypicked my response. I disapproved of Tracy’s post. But your little poodle Bremer took some liberties with fact that needed to be pointed out.
Contrast this to Mitch Berg - who is saying discussing the “context” of the post, and blaming commenter Doug for making Tracy post this.
Eva, you are as usual misrepresenting again. I didn’t “blame” Doug; merely noted the genesis of Tracy’s post.
He’s also calling Karl names.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day - you got it! Karl a raving foamy-mouthed bagman for the local petty left, someone who’d always substituted ad-homina and purple-faced rage for thinking. He tries to bully people, and then gets pissed when people don’t give him his way. I taunt him, because he is a stooge. I have no respect for him, and I plan on spreading that feeling around. (I’m a uniter…)
(Quick, Eva; post this entire thread in your blog! Scamper!)
I understand why Tracy wrote what he did, and I dislike - very much - how he wrote it. He artlessly stomped on some legitimately hot buttons in a way that overpowered some useful points. I wish that he had not. Tracy’s also a friend of mine; as a matter of principle, I keep my differences with friends private. (Anyone who responds “Berg needs to pick better friends” is invited to do something anatomically improbable and rhetorically brisk - along with anyone who calls me “PC”, while you’re up…)
I think Tracy said some racist things. I do not believe he’s anything close to a “racist”. And any lefty commenter who didn’t scream blue murder at the treatment Michelle Malkin or Condoleeza Rice or Clarence Thomas or Dinesh D’Souza or EVERY minority conservative gets from leftyblogs a LOT bigger than Anti-Strib should recuse themselves from the discussion if they have any sense of right and wrong.
Tracy - go forth and sin no more. And let he who is without sin cast the first stone at Oliver Willis.
November 12th, 2007 at 7:49 am
I wonder how many lefty blogs will put their newly found enlightenment to good use to remove their links to the wildly racist, passive\aggressive, spittle flecked hatemongering that regularly goes on at “Norwegianity”?
http://restraininorder.blogspot.com/2007/09/shorter-wedge-im-fucking-idiot-been-one.html
Oh, and anytime one gets a congratulatory message from a Dumpsterdiver, well, it should give one pause for reflection…
That is all.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:38 am
OK, for everyone that wishes that the points had been made in less inflammatory fashion, here they are:
http://anti-strib.blogspot.com/2007/10/native-american-issues.html
Eva, did call out the post in real time and with some understanding of blogging. The idea of the piece was to piss off an incredibly annoying poster and it worked. I might have put 20 minutes into the whole thing. If you’re asking if it’s my best work the answer is no. One or 2 things came out wrong and if I had it to do over I would fix them, but this is blogging. I probably did while I was eating a donut.
Our blog is loud, abrasive and very active. Most have learned to jump over the posts they don’t like rather that lynch the author. Avidor and his crew found an abrasive post and have successfully used it to smear the whole MOB. Michael has helped Avidor immensely.
As for the loose association that is the MOB, I scream every time one of them tries to say that Coleman and Pawlenty aren’t liberal RINO’s screwing us every chance they get. But I’m not going to delete their links just because the suck up the MN Republican Party. Michael makes his living off of the Party so he has to parrot the party line. It is political suicide to point out any problems with the tribes so Michael needs to stay far away from that. I get keeping your day job.
Another point that many miss is that the Anti-Strib is unabashedly capitalist. Andrew notes accomplishments that Native Americans must have had in music, dance, art, hunting, farming, story telling, weaving, sewing Neat, but immaterial. Are these traded on Wall Street or vital to my day to day life? NO! I don’t weave and neither do most of you.
I don’t think I should waste a Saturday afternoon defending a post that I didn’t work that hard on. I am also not an expert on Native American Affairs and have no desire to become one. What I wrote is what many people feel and are afraid to admit for fear of a public lynching much like this one. We subsidize a failing culture that is resistant to change.
As for Racism, where did I say that Indians are genetically incapable of anything? I have done many posts on cultures and how they are malleable. I suggested one way to help Native Americans; private property ownership. I pity any human being that is denied this basic human right.
November 12th, 2007 at 11:09 am
[...] I went to the cabin for the weekend and find I missed one of the biggest kerfuffles in the history of the MOB. Banaian begins his tenure with a major test. [...]
November 12th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Anti-Strib gets “1,000 hits a day” ?
Do you mean 1000 hits, or 1000 visits?
If 1000 hits, then that’s virtually nothing.
November 12th, 2007 at 11:45 am
[...] I don’t disagree with Michael Brodkorb for whacking Anti-Strib from his blogroll. He makes his reasons pretty clear in this post - and given his position, I can’t say as I fault his reasoning. [...]
November 12th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Let me get this straight, “dirt worshiping heathens” isn’t racist?
Suggesting they’re less than an animal by saying that a comparison between the two would insult beavers isn’t racist?
Calling them “domestic terrorists” isn’t racist?
The author of this post and blog should realize that when Andy Aplikowski is your biggest supporter, you’ve got some serious problems.
Michael, you did the right thing and my guess is that the supportive comments were posted by the same two or three people using different names.
November 12th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Jeff, that would be 1000 unique visits per day.
Michael, it’s tracy’s call. it was his post.
November 12th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Wow Mike– you removed them from your blogroll for a month old post! Don’t get ahead of yourself or anything. And really, it was the post about Native Americans you found hateful, not the ones where they gossip about Hillary Clinton’s sexuality (and really, why would you find that hateful? You do stupid stuff like that on your blog enough!)? Not the “Why Islam Sucks” series?
You have shown the same courage and conviction with this move that Norm Coleman has shown throughout his term in the Senate, and you should be lauded for it Mike.
If you think that being spineless is laudable.
Sean
November 12th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Michael,
Do you feel proud of all the praise you are getting from the liberal blogosphere?
Do you think they are now your friends?
Maybe you’ll get some favorable press out of this.
I know Tracy, he’s a pansy, but not a racist.
November 12th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Yup. A bit of legitimate sensitivity is entirely appropriate, and I hope that folks will be able to distinguish it from “political correctness.” It’s not “spineless” to disassociate oneself from the vile; it’s just plain right.
November 12th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
I’ve been directed to this thread by the Daily Mole. I agree that Eberly’s post and virtually everything I scanned on the Anti-Strib site is vile and racist. Way to disassociate yourself from it. As a leftist but not a Democrat, the name of your site is abrasively partisan to me, keeping me from reading the content. However, with this move you’ve gotten my attention for a little bit.
November 12th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Michael didn’t have to do it, yet, he did it. He deserves credit for it.
Inadvertently, we are able to see to of the extent the Right is willing to go through to protect their own even in the face of obvious racism.
Chestnut, Its a pleasant shock to see that you can recognize the stupidity in Tracey’s post. What can I say but, there must be a blood-pumper somewhere beneath that veneer of yours. Good job, I guess I can be wrong. ————-Before the bile settles in your throat after reading that, I’ll give you a ‘go screw yourself Cheesenuts’ for ol’ time sakes.
Besides, you’ll earn it in your next post.
Where’s the oh so righteous Emmer and VRWC on this?
November 12th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
For those that can’t see what’s vile and racist about the post. Here are the Cliff Notes for you taken directly from the post starting with the title:
“Dirt Worshipping Heathens”
“Nothing pisses me off when some liberal brings up the asinine idea that American Indians were some sort of “Noble Savages”. They got the savage part right but most tribes were far from noble.”
“The life of an Indian was no nobler, nor much different from that of a bear, a snake or a timber wolf. Their life cycles were identical: hunt, kill, eat, sleep, fuck, die. I’d compare them to the entire animal kingdom, but that would be an insult to beavers. A honey bee could be said to have a more complex, evolved society than a Native American”
You want more?
“So skip the noble savage crap. American Indians were domestic terrorists permanently stuck in the Stone Age. Even the God Damned French contributed more and managed to create a better society than the humanoid animals that once roamed our continent.”
Now he wants to explain what he really meant? Go through the 80 comments and you’ll see what he really thinks. The guy is racist because he believes in the superiority of the white race. Before I get banned, read his comments and his other two posts on intelligence. Maybe I should say the Inferiority of the other races- and the French.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Tracy,
All you got to do is claim it was all “satire”, and the looney left will leave your ass alone.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
DJZ, I’m about the most un-PC person you’ll meet, but I have to say, that post (the original, not your transcript) is about as far over the top as the worst anti-Christian rant from the left.
Often the PC/liberal crowd way over-states (over romanticises?) the American Indian society. But this goes way too far in the opposite direction.
My parents lived just outside a rez long before the casino money came in. I’ve lived near a couple in more recent times. I’ve seen everything from the wealthy to the homeless drunks. Heh, note to the University of Minnesota, some on the Fond du Lac reservation wear Washington Redskins jackets.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Micheal, why did you have to announce you were removing the link to the blog and just not just simply removing the link without all the fanfare?
It really comes down to some Conservatives trying to eat one another in order to prove just how P.C they are and that’s not a good thing
November 12th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Well said, Ramsey rep.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
So, you’re not challenging Tracy’s racist rant, but my speaking out about it?
Tracy has a 1st Amendment right to post his racist rant and I have a 1st Amendment right to speak out against it.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
More Mitching from Mitch Berg: “As usual, you cherrypicked my response. I disapproved of Tracy’s post. But your little poodle Bremer took some liberties with fact that needed to be pointed out.”
EY: I encourage people to go through the entire response. You have a valid point, when it comes to discussing the guilt by association aspect of this. However your initial post on the matter didn’t stop there, it said if someone understood the context, the post wasn’t racist.
It’s also interesting that you call Karl Bremer names again rather than addressing his points. You suggest that I’m “Karl’s boss” or that Karl is a “poodle” - which is total nonsense. Anyone who knows Karl knows that he isn’t going to take orders from anyone.
What all this suggests is that Karl Bremer has hit a nerve and you can’t stand it.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
What a hoot. Berg getting it wrong as usual and lying in the process. All in a days work for Mr. Berg.
“Eberly is reacting to “Doug”, a malignant comment-section tumor”
Tracy’s rant is allegedly a reaction to some “liberal” bringing up the idea that American Indians were some sort of “Noble Savages”.
First, I assume, since I was named in the screed that I would be the “liberal” Tracy is referring to. If Mr. Berg had done his homework he would have known that I never said anything like American Indians were “Noble Savages”. That is a complete fabrication by Tracy.
Second, there’s this,
“Doug”, a malignant comment-section tumor (one of nly f