The point that Tracy went back to try and explain what he really meant and how it was written with little thought (no shit) doesn’t proves nothing.

You don’t get to beat your wife and then say she was asking for it because you were tired and she kept bitching. Its no more of acceptable than trying to put the vile verbage in context of some intellectual discussion.

Its about decency, not pc.

And I thought I wasn’t worth the effort…

What is funny to me is that my goal in posting at blogs that I disagree with is to expose the hypocrisy and myopic views of people like you.

You yourself attribute Tracy’s Dirt Worshiping Heathen post to nothing more than a reaction to me. 90 some comments at anti-strib, 83 here and more spread out across multiple blogs, anti-strib pulled from Michael’s daily read and the icing on the cake is a 225 word rant from you.

Mission accomplished. Not bad for a few hours work.

I’d suggest inviting him back for a little
verbal ‘Mano a Dougo’. This is better than
Saturday night AWA All-Star Wrestling!

And I/we, in turn, lampooned your puffery and self-absorption and brittleness!

A match made in heaven!

I almost miss your contributions. Until I remember what a douchebag you were.

What does it say about you that I spent a couple of hours a day at SITD while I only drop in to visit anti-strib once or twice a week?

It says your medication may be kicking in.

It’s been fun, but I think we’re finished here.

I would challenge you to go put your money where your big mouth is and prove it but we both know you’re too lazy and arrogant to do that.

Since you won’t let’s just add another lie to the list.

And I suspect that I am one of five people who relentlessly pointed out in your proverbial living room that you are a puffed up hot air balloon with a penchant for untruthiness. Must have been awful to have someone like me holding a magnifying glass up to your ugly blemishes, even if only for the entertainment of a given few.

“What does it say about you that after I banned you, you slunk over to a *racist* blog for your daily comment chubbie”"

Great question Mitch. Like I said many time at SITD, my objective was to highlight, comment on and make fun of the hypocrisy and demagoguery of right winger blogs and bloggers. What does it say about you that I spent a couple of hours a day at SITD while I only drop in to visit anti-strib once or twice a week?

Nah, not really – but I’ll allow that it wasn’t exactly the point I wanted to make. I think I clarified that today.

It’s also interesting that you call Karl Bremer names again rather than addressing his points.

Well, I think I got the best of both worlds; I trashed his “points” (guilt by association, the “MOB as governing body”, etc) pretty handily, AND I got to call him names.

You suggest that I’m “Karl’s boss”

At this, you are correct. Given the media blitz he’s achieved using his exceedingly dubious talent as a writer and reporter, it’d be more accurate to call him either “guinea pig” or “house byatch”.

or that Karl is a “poodle” – which is total nonsense. Anyone who knows Karl knows that he isn’t going to take orders from anyone.

Well, true – he’s a petulant asshole, all right.

What all this suggests is that Karl Bremer has hit a nerve and you can’t stand it.

It’s my contempt nerve. And I can “stand it” just fine.

Eva, you interpret as consternation what is really something more like the rush of anticipation you get when you set a log up and get your axe ready; anticpating hammering the log into pieces is almost as fun as actually doing it.

Child’s play.

But we’ll get into that later this week.

. If Mr. Berg had done his homework

That’d fall under “casting pearls before swine”.

I’m not nor have I EVER claimed to be Native American.

You’re full-blooded “obtuse jagoff” then. You slathered “native american” all over yourself when I let you pollute my comment section. And I suspect you did claim exactly that, although I don’t really care; the effect was still the same.

There’s a reason you’re one of five people I’ve ever banned from Shot in the Dark. You were a waste of bandwidth, to say nothing of time.

And while you no doubt sproing the same chubby that all anonymous jagoffs do when writing rhetorical checks that your intellect and skills can’t cash, you’re still wrong; I do not lie.

Never have. Never will. Certainly not over you; you’re not worth it to me (nor, I suspect, anyone else).

Hey, Doug? What does it say about you that after I banned you, you slunk over to a *racist* blog for your daily comment chubbie?

Hope the hours a day you spend leaving dyspeptic and self-aggrandizing comments is a big “up” to your day, bigfella!

“Even the God Damned French contributed more and managed to create a better society than the humanoid animals that once roamed our continent.”

Humanoid animals? yeah, sure. No racism there… Michael was absolutely right to do what he did.

“Eberly is reacting to “Doug”, a malignant comment-section tumor”

Tracy’s rant is allegedly a reaction to some “liberal” bringing up the idea that American Indians were some sort of “Noble Savages”.

First, I assume, since I was named in the screed that I would be the “liberal” Tracy is referring to. If Mr. Berg had done his homework he would have known that I never said anything like American Indians were “Noble Savages”. That is a complete fabrication by Tracy.

Second, there’s this,

“Doug”, a malignant comment-section tumor (one of nly four people that’s ever been banned from this blog) who claims to be (among many, many things) Native American”

I’m German and Irish. I’m not nor have I EVER claimed to be Native American.

Just another lie from the Gasbag of Midway – the same guy who claims he has never ever lied.

EY: I encourage people to go through the entire response. You have a valid point, when it comes to discussing the guilt by association aspect of this. However your initial post on the matter didn’t stop there, it said if someone understood the context, the post wasn’t racist.

It’s also interesting that you call Karl Bremer names again rather than addressing his points. You suggest that I’m “Karl’s boss” or that Karl is a “poodle” – which is total nonsense. Anyone who knows Karl knows that he isn’t going to take orders from anyone.

What all this suggests is that Karl Bremer has hit a nerve and you can’t stand it.

Tracy has a 1st Amendment right to post his racist rant and I have a 1st Amendment right to speak out against it.

It really comes down to some Conservatives trying to eat one another in order to prove just how P.C they are and that’s not a good thing

Often the PC/liberal crowd way over-states (over romanticises?) the American Indian society. But this goes way too far in the opposite direction.

My parents lived just outside a rez long before the casino money came in. I’ve lived near a couple in more recent times. I’ve seen everything from the wealthy to the homeless drunks. Heh, note to the University of Minnesota, some on the Fond du Lac reservation wear Washington Redskins jackets.

All you got to do is claim it was all “satire”, and the looney left will leave your ass alone.

“Dirt Worshipping Heathens”

“Nothing pisses me off when some liberal brings up the asinine idea that American Indians were some sort of “Noble Savages”. They got the savage part right but most tribes were far from noble.”

“The life of an Indian was no nobler, nor much different from that of a bear, a snake or a timber wolf. Their life cycles were identical: hunt, kill, eat, sleep, fuck, die. I’d compare them to the entire animal kingdom, but that would be an insult to beavers. A honey bee could be said to have a more complex, evolved society than a Native American”

You want more?

“So skip the noble savage crap. American Indians were domestic terrorists permanently stuck in the Stone Age. Even the God Damned French contributed more and managed to create a better society than the humanoid animals that once roamed our continent.”

Now he wants to explain what he really meant? Go through the 80 comments and you’ll see what he really thinks. The guy is racist because he believes in the superiority of the white race. Before I get banned, read his comments and his other two posts on intelligence. Maybe I should say the Inferiority of the other races- and the French.

Inadvertently, we are able to see to of the extent the Right is willing to go through to protect their own even in the face of obvious racism.

Chestnut, Its a pleasant shock to see that you can recognize the stupidity in Tracey’s post. What can I say but, there must be a blood-pumper somewhere beneath that veneer of yours. Good job, I guess I can be wrong. ————-Before the bile settles in your throat after reading that, I’ll give you a ‘go screw yourself Cheesenuts’ for ol’ time sakes.
Besides, you’ll earn it in your next post.

Where’s the oh so righteous Emmer and VRWC on this?

You have shown the same courage and conviction with this move that Norm Coleman has shown throughout his term in the Senate, and you should be lauded for it Mike.

If you think that being spineless is laudable.

Sean

Michael, it’s tracy’s call. it was his post.

Suggesting they’re less than an animal by saying that a comparison between the two would insult beavers isn’t racist?

Calling them “domestic terrorists” isn’t racist?

The author of this post and blog should realize that when Andy Aplikowski is your biggest supporter, you’ve got some serious problems.

Michael, you did the right thing and my guess is that the supportive comments were posted by the same two or three people using different names.

Do you mean 1000 hits, or 1000 visits?

If 1000 hits, then that’s virtually nothing.

Eva, did call out the post in real time and with some understanding of blogging. The idea of the piece was to piss off an incredibly annoying poster and it worked. I might have put 20 minutes into the whole thing. If you’re asking if it’s my best work the answer is no. One or 2 things came out wrong and if I had it to do over I would fix them, but this is blogging. I probably did while I was eating a donut.

Our blog is loud, abrasive and very active. Most have learned to jump over the posts they don’t like rather that lynch the author. Avidor and his crew found an abrasive post and have successfully used it to smear the whole MOB. Michael has helped Avidor immensely.

As for the loose association that is the MOB, I scream every time one of them tries to say that Coleman and Pawlenty aren’t liberal RINO’s screwing us every chance they get. But I’m not going to delete their links just because the suck up the MN Republican Party. Michael makes his living off of the Party so he has to parrot the party line. It is political suicide to point out any problems with the tribes so Michael needs to stay far away from that. I get keeping your day job.

Another point that many miss is that the Anti-Strib is unabashedly capitalist. Andrew notes accomplishments that Native Americans must have had in music, dance, art, hunting, farming, story telling, weaving, sewing Neat, but immaterial. Are these traded on Wall Street or vital to my day to day life? NO! I don’t weave and neither do most of you.

I don’t think I should waste a Saturday afternoon defending a post that I didn’t work that hard on. I am also not an expert on Native American Affairs and have no desire to become one. What I wrote is what many people feel and are afraid to admit for fear of a public lynching much like this one. We subsidize a failing culture that is resistant to change.

As for Racism, where did I say that Indians are genetically incapable of anything? I have done many posts on cultures and how they are malleable. I suggested one way to help Native Americans; private property ownership. I pity any human being that is denied this basic human right.

http://restraininorder.blogspot.com/2007/09/shorter-wedge-im-fucking-idiot-been-one.html

Oh, and anytime one gets a congratulatory message from a Dumpsterdiver, well, it should give one pause for reflection…

That is all.

As usual, you cherrypicked my response. I disapproved of Tracy’s post. But your little poodle Bremer took some liberties with fact that needed to be pointed out.

Contrast this to Mitch Berg – who is saying discussing the “context” of the post, and blaming commenter Doug for making Tracy post this.

Eva, you are as usual misrepresenting again. I didn’t “blame” Doug; merely noted the genesis of Tracy’s post.

He’s also calling Karl names.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day – you got it! Karl a raving foamy-mouthed bagman for the local petty left, someone who’d always substituted ad-homina and purple-faced rage for thinking. He tries to bully people, and then gets pissed when people don’t give him his way. I taunt him, because he is a stooge. I have no respect for him, and I plan on spreading that feeling around. (I’m a uniter…)

(Quick, Eva; post this entire thread in your blog! Scamper!)

I understand why Tracy wrote what he did, and I dislike – very much – how he wrote it. He artlessly stomped on some legitimately hot buttons in a way that overpowered some useful points. I wish that he had not. Tracy’s also a friend of mine; as a matter of principle, I keep my differences with friends private. (Anyone who responds “Berg needs to pick better friends” is invited to do something anatomically improbable and rhetorically brisk – along with anyone who calls me “PC”, while you’re up…)

I think Tracy said some racist things. I do not believe he’s anything close to a “racist”. And any lefty commenter who didn’t scream blue murder at the treatment Michelle Malkin or Condoleeza Rice or Clarence Thomas or Dinesh D’Souza or EVERY minority conservative gets from leftyblogs a LOT bigger than Anti-Strib should recuse themselves from the discussion if they have any sense of right and wrong.

Tracy – go forth and sin no more. And let he who is without sin cast the first stone at Oliver Willis.

It is an opinion, You disagree, I respect that, you don’t.

“Than I caught you in a lie you said you respect her service yet you call her a failure.”

I addressed that specifically. I believe they are mutually exclusive positions. It is not a lie to honor and respect someones service, even if they believe that service was a failure. It is the same position that The GOP, POTUS, and many on the Right took regarding John Kerry. They always on the record honored and respected his service, but consistently attacked him, via the Smear Boaters, about the service itself.

Further comments can be addressed to my private E-Mail, I will not continue this unrelated exchange in MDEs comment section

Flash

Than I caught you in a lie you said you respect her service yet you call her a failure. And there was silence.

I have a real life also so don’t use that to chicken out. The only reason we have the hijacking as you refer to was you ran away from the post where you should’ve been doing the answering.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

I think you and Tracy should come on my radio show next week to discuss your post. Please let me know if you are available.

http://anti-strib.blogspot.com/2007/11/breaking-news-anti-strib-exclusive.html

He spoke out once he read Karl’s article and the post – and did the right thing. I noted this post – and the comments, when the post was first out there.

Contrast this to Mitch Berg – who is saying discussing the “context” of the post, and blaming commenter Doug for making Tracy post this. He’s also calling Karl names.

As is, it truly is just a rant. A dumb, angry, racist rant.

Moreover, I noticed they are whining today about critical reaction to the stupid, racist rant.

Hey jackass, yes we do value free-speech. Sorry to see you’re such a pussy that you can’t handle others exercising their free speech to react to and outright reject your ignorant, hate-filled, worthless rant.

Here’s a clue: Have an opinion… better yet, make it an informed opinion… then, when expressing it, make a point, and back those points up with facts.

To-date, all you’ve done is spread your shit opinion on your shit Web site…. Don’t cry when your shit is thrown out.

You pussy.

Also, add to the list of accomplishments: the US Constitution was derived from the Iroquois Great Law of Peace.

And here would be the debate part of the piece.

Tracy fails to mention that Native Americans conducted “terrorist acts” because we took their land, took their resources, killed them, and relocated them. They did absolutely nothing wrong because if you had been in their position you would have killed the Americans too. They were fighting for their independence much like we had fought for our independence, we were just sucessful. Were we terrorists, in a sense yes, were our terroristic actions wrong, no. It applies to them, what do you do in the face of extinction to your civilization, sit back and let it happen or steal and kill the people doing it.

Also, Tracy fails to note the connection between the Native Americans and other people of color. Blacks, Hispanis, Asians, they all have the problem of an unproportional amount of poverty, crime, drop out rates and drug problems. Are they lesser races, no. It is the system that our society has created that has forced them into these roles.

It is also pretty pathetic to talk so poorly of the Native American culture, as if Tracy even knows the culture. I must wonder if Tracy bothered doing any research for this, I dont know anything off the top of my head but I can imagine he severly underscoring many accomplishments that Native Americans must have had in music, dance, art, hunting, farming, story telling, weaving, sewing and the list could probably go on. Tracy simply being unable to appreciate different cultures, even if they are much simpler than our own, makes me sad for him. Stepping outside of one’s box and getting to fully appreciate someone else’s life is a profound experience and I doubt Tracy will ever experience that because his way of life is just so much better.

“Suffice to say every regional leftybloggers had best be very careful about their own flippant bigotries.”

http://lloydletta.blogspot.com/2006/08/no-excuses-for-iran-richard-rosendall.html

I also have no desire for state sponsored religion in this country – and like the first amendment as it is, thank you very much – and have posted as much. Criticizing charlatans such as Mac Hammond does not equal “bashing christianity.”

I’ll also agree with you that both Condi Rice and Colin Powell have been victims of many racist attacks. The ones I’ve seen on Condi Rice have been especially viscious.

That doesn’t take away the fact, that this post on Anti-Strib was a racist post. The “points” that Tracy was supposedly trying to make could have been made without resorting to the language he used.

When I wrote about this post a month ago, I reposed the entire post, and pull quoted some of the comment thread. One of Tracy’s commenters made a veiled threat about going to Tracy’s clients. I don’t think that’s the way to address this, but what Michael’s doing here, is – it’s a way for bloggers to set standards.

Lady Logician’s citation of Berg’s post was interesting. Berg started out by an ad hominem attack on Karl Bremer the messenger:

“Karl Bremer, foul-mouthed Stillwater screechmonger, who has found via the local alt-meda a ready outlet and ravenous market for his raving vein-bulging screeching inner lout.

….Is he counting on inertia (a reasonable assumption) to keep his audience from knowing the actual context in which Eberly was writing?

So read Eberly’s piece. I did. For the first time. I didn’t like it much, and don’t agree with it. Of course, I understand where it comes from – and it’s not racism.

To know that, of course, the reader would need to know the context of the story as well as the pull-quotes Bremer has elected to highlight. But that would undercut Bremer’s foamy-mouthed, self-righteous “point”.

[Then he blames commenter "Doug" for the piece]

Do I care for the tone of Tracy’s piece? Of course not. Of course, unlike Bremer, I know some of the backstory that is probably opaque to Bremer and his readers; as he notes, Eberly is reacting to “Doug”, a malignant comment-section tumor (one of only four people that’s ever been banned from this blog) who claims to be (among many, many things) Native American, and who relentlessly romanticizes Native culture. “Doug” is such a remorselessly abrasive jagoff that if he were to start advocating for unicorns and puppies, I’d be tempted to rhetorically warm up the .270 and the meatgrinder. And I hate that – because while I deeply respect Native culture (I’ve spent a lot of time reading about hunter-gatherer and aboriginal farming cultures in recent years) within their cultural context, Doug’s relentless preening is enough to make Russell Means break out a copy of Fort Apache out of pure snotty spite.
Tracy’s article is an attempt to let the air out of a really obnoxious balloon. Was it coarse and un-PC and maybe just a tad less artful than I’d shoot for, myself? Sure. Remember, I banned Doug rather than indulge in a reaction I’d rather not have; after almost six years of this, I’ve learned to pick and choose my stressors. Tracy sees it differently; that’s Tracy.

I don’t endorse his reaction; neither do I think it’s a sign of racism or lousy character or bad breath or anything other than wanting to give the relentless prig Doug a rhetorical wedgie.

EY: Mitch Berg is wrong. Michael Brodkorb is right – and doing the right thing.

A better response would have been to address it in person etc. By linking to it you (and Karl) are giving it more exposure.

I expect Karl to start denouncing any and all attacks that have ever been launched at Condi Rice IMMEDIATELY in order for him to show his consistency! Oh silly me….I know that will never happen.

LL

If the “links have started to come down” as you claim, then you must know the names of the blogs.

I stand by my decision.