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		<title>By: THE ONE POST I WISH I COULD TAKE BACK&#8230; &#124; Minnesota Democrats Exposed</title>
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		<title>By: walter hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>walter hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point about using the $83,000 figure is that it seems like Democrats want government to pay for everything.  You but it in one of your comments so I thought you supported it.  I&#039;m sorry.  But part of the dispute with the Schip program is that for a program met for poor children some people want it used for adult singles with no children or for people that can easily afford insurcance.
to the best of my knowledge that was the heart of the veto dispute.  It&#039;s spin by the Democrats that Bush didn&#039;t care about poor children which is the purpose of this program.  

Part of the problem we have with education is Congress in theory shouldn&#039;t be involved.  I want to improve the public schools a person should run the local school board not heavan forbid Congress and try to mandate it down.(part of our previous arguments that congress should spend what they are suppose to do). What is needed in a rural school district isn&#039;t what is needed in a city district.  Part of the blame Republicans should be that the federal government can&#039;t do it period.  We didn&#039;t have that dramatic improvement the previous eight years when Clinton ran the education department.
One college to avoid the possibility of the Federal government telling it what to do tells students they won&#039;t be admitted if they use federal aide.  Part of federal money for everything has 535 people telling states how to do it.  Unless I mistook my history books I thought the states were suppose to be independent on most issues.  And keep in mind the one school district that the federal government controls is bad and parents want the option of vouchers but Democrats don&#039;t want to give what a city that votes more than 80% Democrat wants.

One of the problems we have the I-35W Bridge being rebuilt is that automatic federal environment waivers (wasn&#039;t the bridge built before) would go away if was dramatically different from the previous one not to mention funding was based on the old design.

That might not be answering the debate the way you want it.  In the private sector businesses in an effort to compete have learned to limit their payroll.  So if you think 25% on administration is okay should we go for 30%?  Mind you the business community despite the higher pay for the people will be shooting for 20% or less.  One reason why the private sector pays more is that if someone is perceived to be good they get paid more.

the reasons why I don&#039;t take up your idea for running are many.  All I know is that under total Democrat controlled and higher spending than your district (in part to have class size smaller than 30 - the example I gave was to maintain 16) hasn&#039;t produced results.  That&#039;s why we have to look for approaches to get better results.

the one major problem with Milwaukee or any system you cite is that the entire school population isn&#039;t given that real choice.

part of your problem is that you think large classes can&#039;t be taught.  The teacher I cited in the TNT movie had a large class.  Keep in mind this was the group that wasn&#039;t consider the better students and before the school year was done he got them performing better than the group that was suppose to be the best in that school.

so just crying we need more money is no excuse.  That is the zombie mentality of the Democrat party.  More money.  Can&#039;t we try to spend better first?

The Bush tax cuts have improved my life because:

  * They have spurred the economy and allowed it to absorb several things that would&#039;ve killed an economy in the past 9-11, Hurricane Katrina, war on terror, mortage crisis.

  * The federal government is now capable of spending almost three trillion dollars instead of the two trillion dollars when Bush took office.  relief like for Hurricane Katirina victims.

  * The stock market has gone up so my investments have grown.  If I had managed my budget in the past better I&#039;ll have a lot more saved than I do, but that is my fault!  It will be nice if I could voluntarily use my Social Security money like Bush wants me to, but Democrats don&#039;t want me and others to have that choice.

I&#039;m happy.  Of course I&#039;m an indenpent thinking person.

Walter Hanson

  * A poor person can&#039;t go out and hire somebody.  They need a business that can make money.  Giving tax cuts help people get jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point about using the $83,000 figure is that it seems like Democrats want government to pay for everything.  You but it in one of your comments so I thought you supported it.  I&#8217;m sorry.  But part of the dispute with the Schip program is that for a program met for poor children some people want it used for adult singles with no children or for people that can easily afford insurcance.<br />
to the best of my knowledge that was the heart of the veto dispute.  It&#8217;s spin by the Democrats that Bush didn&#8217;t care about poor children which is the purpose of this program.  </p>
<p>Part of the problem we have with education is Congress in theory shouldn&#8217;t be involved.  I want to improve the public schools a person should run the local school board not heavan forbid Congress and try to mandate it down.(part of our previous arguments that congress should spend what they are suppose to do). What is needed in a rural school district isn&#8217;t what is needed in a city district.  Part of the blame Republicans should be that the federal government can&#8217;t do it period.  We didn&#8217;t have that dramatic improvement the previous eight years when Clinton ran the education department.<br />
One college to avoid the possibility of the Federal government telling it what to do tells students they won&#8217;t be admitted if they use federal aide.  Part of federal money for everything has 535 people telling states how to do it.  Unless I mistook my history books I thought the states were suppose to be independent on most issues.  And keep in mind the one school district that the federal government controls is bad and parents want the option of vouchers but Democrats don&#8217;t want to give what a city that votes more than 80% Democrat wants.</p>
<p>One of the problems we have the I-35W Bridge being rebuilt is that automatic federal environment waivers (wasn&#8217;t the bridge built before) would go away if was dramatically different from the previous one not to mention funding was based on the old design.</p>
<p>That might not be answering the debate the way you want it.  In the private sector businesses in an effort to compete have learned to limit their payroll.  So if you think 25% on administration is okay should we go for 30%?  Mind you the business community despite the higher pay for the people will be shooting for 20% or less.  One reason why the private sector pays more is that if someone is perceived to be good they get paid more.</p>
<p>the reasons why I don&#8217;t take up your idea for running are many.  All I know is that under total Democrat controlled and higher spending than your district (in part to have class size smaller than 30 &#8211; the example I gave was to maintain 16) hasn&#8217;t produced results.  That&#8217;s why we have to look for approaches to get better results.</p>
<p>the one major problem with Milwaukee or any system you cite is that the entire school population isn&#8217;t given that real choice.</p>
<p>part of your problem is that you think large classes can&#8217;t be taught.  The teacher I cited in the TNT movie had a large class.  Keep in mind this was the group that wasn&#8217;t consider the better students and before the school year was done he got them performing better than the group that was suppose to be the best in that school.</p>
<p>so just crying we need more money is no excuse.  That is the zombie mentality of the Democrat party.  More money.  Can&#8217;t we try to spend better first?</p>
<p>The Bush tax cuts have improved my life because:</p>
<p>  * They have spurred the economy and allowed it to absorb several things that would&#8217;ve killed an economy in the past 9-11, Hurricane Katrina, war on terror, mortage crisis.</p>
<p>  * The federal government is now capable of spending almost three trillion dollars instead of the two trillion dollars when Bush took office.  relief like for Hurricane Katirina victims.</p>
<p>  * The stock market has gone up so my investments have grown.  If I had managed my budget in the past better I&#8217;ll have a lot more saved than I do, but that is my fault!  It will be nice if I could voluntarily use my Social Security money like Bush wants me to, but Democrats don&#8217;t want me and others to have that choice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy.  Of course I&#8217;m an indenpent thinking person.</p>
<p>Walter Hanson</p>
<p>  * A poor person can&#8217;t go out and hire somebody.  They need a business that can make money.  Giving tax cuts help people get jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: HCDFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCDFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter;
You are either the master of spin or an idiot. 
My point with the $83,000 was that it NEVER  was in the S-Chip bill and thus moot.  
Bush and the Republicans  used that figure to  mislead the country and  to justify his veto. Rep. Bachmann  also used the $83,000 figure to justify both her votes against S-Chip. 
Walter;
Point # 1  Students don&#039;t get enough attention and &quot;probably&quot; will get more in a private school and why is that, maybe because there are 30 students in a classroom in public schools,
Point #2 The people who run the public schools get paid to much and don&#039;t know how to do their job. What would their pay be in the private sector, &quot;probably&quot; higher. You should run for the MSB, put up or shut up as they say.
Point #3  Walter, what is a &quot;good&quot; teacher and what is a &quot;bad&quot; teacher. With NCLB all teachers are now teaching to the tests,
so if all their students pass you are a good teacher, if not your a bad teacher. 
Point #4 You really think vouchers will save the day, so how is that working in Milwaukee. Studies have shown that voucher/private schools face the same problems that public schools do, poverty, limited resources, poor leadership and broken families. One more item, these schools are not obligated to serve special education students.
In Minnesota  parents can send their children to any school they choose and the home district pays the transportation costs. 
I never said more money was needed, but the Republican controlled Congress did for six years, with increases in education spending. 
Why didn&#039;t the Republicans  fix the problems when they had the chance?
Walter;
How have the Bush tax cuts improved your life?
That&#039;ll do Sheeple, that&#039;ll do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter;<br />
You are either the master of spin or an idiot.<br />
My point with the $83,000 was that it NEVER  was in the S-Chip bill and thus moot.<br />
Bush and the Republicans  used that figure to  mislead the country and  to justify his veto. Rep. Bachmann  also used the $83,000 figure to justify both her votes against S-Chip.<br />
Walter;<br />
Point # 1  Students don&#8217;t get enough attention and &#8220;probably&#8221; will get more in a private school and why is that, maybe because there are 30 students in a classroom in public schools,<br />
Point #2 The people who run the public schools get paid to much and don&#8217;t know how to do their job. What would their pay be in the private sector, &#8220;probably&#8221; higher. You should run for the MSB, put up or shut up as they say.<br />
Point #3  Walter, what is a &#8220;good&#8221; teacher and what is a &#8220;bad&#8221; teacher. With NCLB all teachers are now teaching to the tests,<br />
so if all their students pass you are a good teacher, if not your a bad teacher.<br />
Point #4 You really think vouchers will save the day, so how is that working in Milwaukee. Studies have shown that voucher/private schools face the same problems that public schools do, poverty, limited resources, poor leadership and broken families. One more item, these schools are not obligated to serve special education students.<br />
In Minnesota  parents can send their children to any school they choose and the home district pays the transportation costs.<br />
I never said more money was needed, but the Republican controlled Congress did for six years, with increases in education spending.<br />
Why didn&#8217;t the Republicans  fix the problems when they had the chance?<br />
Walter;<br />
How have the Bush tax cuts improved your life?<br />
That&#8217;ll do Sheeple, that&#8217;ll do.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HC DFL:

   It isn&#039;t a moot point!  You raised it.  You&#039;re the person who threw it out there!  Furthermore you took the position that if New York should do it than it implies that Minnesota should do it.

   Okay than.

   The family of $83,000 should the government pay for a nice car for them?

   Should the government pay for their utilities?

   Should the government pay for their food?

   should the government given them tuition for their kids in grades one - twelve since the Democrats want to give college and pre Kid.

   Okay you gave some percentages for schools.  But take a careful look at the percentages.  The pay for the teacher is broken into two areas.  In my example the teacher generated just 37.5% of the money.  The Principal with the math I used was 8.75%, the secretary with the math I used was 5.00%, the janitor was 3.75%, other stuff for kids I&#039;ll take your numbers and use 20% all of that adds up to 75%.  You&#039;re missing 25%.  That is used in adminstration and waste.  Lets just say that you committ just 20% to administration and use the extra 5% on the kids.  Without increasing taxes one cent you have just dumped using your number $425 per student into the class room.   

 A major part of the problem and why parents have lost confidence in the system is that happens in school&#039;s not to advance their knowledge.  It used to be that school&#039;s held students back.  Than the it will hurt their feelings movement took place and that stopped.  A student was no longer critictized for saying 2 + 2 = 5. No offense, but that was the mentality of Democrats not Republicans.  Of course if a Republican suggested that a black child be left behind because they&#039;re not learning we will be called racist!

  I was educated in the public schools and I keep making the point about private schools for these reasons:

  One, parents don&#039;t feel now that their child is getting proper attention.  Privates schools will probably give their attention better than the public school.  

  Two, right now the schools get the money and spend the money the way they see fit.  A lot of it gets spent on adminstration.  If the Minneapolis School Board will ever wake up and fear they are losing more than half their students in one day they might do real reforms.

  Three, part of the problem right now is that bad teachers aren&#039;t being held accountable.  If half the students from one teacher start getting pulled during the school year it might tip off the school board and principal that teacher might not be a good teacher.

  And four, Democrats talk about choice all the time.  Shouldn&#039;t the parent have the real power to chose what school their child goes to?

  One further point.  You keep pointing out that we have to have more money for education.  Minneapolis spends far more than your school district does.  Our students aren&#039;t learning.  The difference in Minneapolis the school board is all Democrat!  We&#039;re spending more than $10,000 per student.  What does that say about how Democrats manage the system if they get their way?  You seem to think just give Democrats more control.  I&#039;ve seen it.  It doesn&#039;t work!

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HC DFL:</p>
<p>   It isn&#8217;t a moot point!  You raised it.  You&#8217;re the person who threw it out there!  Furthermore you took the position that if New York should do it than it implies that Minnesota should do it.</p>
<p>   Okay than.</p>
<p>   The family of $83,000 should the government pay for a nice car for them?</p>
<p>   Should the government pay for their utilities?</p>
<p>   Should the government pay for their food?</p>
<p>   should the government given them tuition for their kids in grades one &#8211; twelve since the Democrats want to give college and pre Kid.</p>
<p>   Okay you gave some percentages for schools.  But take a careful look at the percentages.  The pay for the teacher is broken into two areas.  In my example the teacher generated just 37.5% of the money.  The Principal with the math I used was 8.75%, the secretary with the math I used was 5.00%, the janitor was 3.75%, other stuff for kids I&#8217;ll take your numbers and use 20% all of that adds up to 75%.  You&#8217;re missing 25%.  That is used in adminstration and waste.  Lets just say that you committ just 20% to administration and use the extra 5% on the kids.  Without increasing taxes one cent you have just dumped using your number $425 per student into the class room.   </p>
<p> A major part of the problem and why parents have lost confidence in the system is that happens in school&#8217;s not to advance their knowledge.  It used to be that school&#8217;s held students back.  Than the it will hurt their feelings movement took place and that stopped.  A student was no longer critictized for saying 2 + 2 = 5. No offense, but that was the mentality of Democrats not Republicans.  Of course if a Republican suggested that a black child be left behind because they&#8217;re not learning we will be called racist!</p>
<p>  I was educated in the public schools and I keep making the point about private schools for these reasons:</p>
<p>  One, parents don&#8217;t feel now that their child is getting proper attention.  Privates schools will probably give their attention better than the public school.  </p>
<p>  Two, right now the schools get the money and spend the money the way they see fit.  A lot of it gets spent on adminstration.  If the Minneapolis School Board will ever wake up and fear they are losing more than half their students in one day they might do real reforms.</p>
<p>  Three, part of the problem right now is that bad teachers aren&#8217;t being held accountable.  If half the students from one teacher start getting pulled during the school year it might tip off the school board and principal that teacher might not be a good teacher.</p>
<p>  And four, Democrats talk about choice all the time.  Shouldn&#8217;t the parent have the real power to chose what school their child goes to?</p>
<p>  One further point.  You keep pointing out that we have to have more money for education.  Minneapolis spends far more than your school district does.  Our students aren&#8217;t learning.  The difference in Minneapolis the school board is all Democrat!  We&#8217;re spending more than $10,000 per student.  What does that say about how Democrats manage the system if they get their way?  You seem to think just give Democrats more control.  I&#8217;ve seen it.  It doesn&#8217;t work!</p>
<p>Walter Hanson<br />
Minneapolis, MN</p>
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		<title>By: HCDFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCDFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter;
The family that makes $83,000 is a moot point. It was never part of the S-Chip bill, the limit was $42,000 for a family of four. It was misinformation that was present by the Bush administration to justify the veto. 
How do schools spend their state average of $8250,
54.8% salaries (teachers, principals, superintendent, paras, secretaries, nurses, technology staff , food service, bus drivers, janitors, speech therapist, councilors, athletic director, etc.)
21.8% for benefits (insurance, vacation, sick leave, pension, etc)
16% for purchased services ( outside councilors, leadership, computer programs, educational programs, etc)
2.8% capital expenditures (land etc)
1.0% interest, fees, and dues
These are the percentages  from my school district, cut away.
Here is how I would make some changes to the educational system,
no grade levels - when the student understands the material they move on, this benefits all students at all learning levels
If RiR doesn&#039;t understand math in fourth grade he is not going to in fifth, yet he is passed on to the next grade without the skills  necessary to succeed at the next level of math. On the flip side Walter, a third grader understands all of the necessary skills to succeed at fifth grade math, so that is the level of math he should be doing. 
When we were babies and didn&#039;t aLL crawl, walk or talk at the same time why do we think that once a child hits kindergarden they all learn at the same pace. 
This leaves the middle and largest group of students, almost all of this group  will over the school year gain the necessary skills to succeed at the next level. Out of this group however, as the skills required gets more difficult, you will have a few  more RiRs and but also a few more Walters.  
If RiR would come to understand the material and gain those necessary skills he can move to the next level, if not he continues to be taught the skills he needs and if Walter has trouble with the more difficult material he can stay at that level till he masters those skills.
 It does no one any good to pass a student to the next grade just because of their age.
This is one part of school I would change      
Walter;
I take it you think private schools are the answer to the problems with the education.Please enlighten me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter;<br />
The family that makes $83,000 is a moot point. It was never part of the S-Chip bill, the limit was $42,000 for a family of four. It was misinformation that was present by the Bush administration to justify the veto.<br />
How do schools spend their state average of $8250,<br />
54.8% salaries (teachers, principals, superintendent, paras, secretaries, nurses, technology staff , food service, bus drivers, janitors, speech therapist, councilors, athletic director, etc.)<br />
21.8% for benefits (insurance, vacation, sick leave, pension, etc)<br />
16% for purchased services ( outside councilors, leadership, computer programs, educational programs, etc)<br />
2.8% capital expenditures (land etc)<br />
1.0% interest, fees, and dues<br />
These are the percentages  from my school district, cut away.<br />
Here is how I would make some changes to the educational system,<br />
no grade levels &#8211; when the student understands the material they move on, this benefits all students at all learning levels<br />
If RiR doesn&#8217;t understand math in fourth grade he is not going to in fifth, yet he is passed on to the next grade without the skills  necessary to succeed at the next level of math. On the flip side Walter, a third grader understands all of the necessary skills to succeed at fifth grade math, so that is the level of math he should be doing.<br />
When we were babies and didn&#8217;t aLL crawl, walk or talk at the same time why do we think that once a child hits kindergarden they all learn at the same pace.<br />
This leaves the middle and largest group of students, almost all of this group  will over the school year gain the necessary skills to succeed at the next level. Out of this group however, as the skills required gets more difficult, you will have a few  more RiRs and but also a few more Walters.<br />
If RiR would come to understand the material and gain those necessary skills he can move to the next level, if not he continues to be taught the skills he needs and if Walter has trouble with the more difficult material he can stay at that level till he masters those skills.<br />
 It does no one any good to pass a student to the next grade just because of their age.<br />
This is one part of school I would change<br />
Walter;<br />
I take it you think private schools are the answer to the problems with the education.Please enlighten me</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anatomy of A Whuppin&#8217; at MNpublius.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dahle&#8217;s victory has set off a string of recriminations among Republican Party activists, one side accusing the other of not helping enough and the other complaining about a closed process that produced a weak candidate. In the mix are (of course) remonstrations that the DFL played negative politics to the bitter end on behalf of Dahle. Senator-elect Dahle, for his part, managed to stay positive throughout the short campaign, and now heads to St. Paul as part of a veto-proof majority. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dahle&#8217;s victory has set off a string of recriminations among Republican Party activists, one side accusing the other of not helping enough and the other complaining about a closed process that produced a weak candidate. In the mix are (of course) remonstrations that the DFL played negative politics to the bitter end on behalf of Dahle. Senator-elect Dahle, for his part, managed to stay positive throughout the short campaign, and now heads to St. Paul as part of a veto-proof majority. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hey HCDFL you said New York was asking for a family of $83,000 to get health insurance from the government.

Does that mean a family should be able to get a nice care from the government since people need transportation to work?

You&#039;re in favor of college aide so shouldn&#039;t the government give a family that makes less than $83,000 money to pay to let their kids go to a private school since the public schools seem to be a failure.

Okay if a family with an income of $83,000 gets insurance from the government than the government should pay all the utility bills.  After all everybody should have heat, power, and water with no problems.

What bills should a family with an income that has $83,000 have to pay?  Apparently you seem to think that the government should write a check for everything.

 Walter Hanson
 Minneapolis, MN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey HCDFL you said New York was asking for a family of $83,000 to get health insurance from the government.</p>
<p>Does that mean a family should be able to get a nice care from the government since people need transportation to work?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re in favor of college aide so shouldn&#8217;t the government give a family that makes less than $83,000 money to pay to let their kids go to a private school since the public schools seem to be a failure.</p>
<p>Okay if a family with an income of $83,000 gets insurance from the government than the government should pay all the utility bills.  After all everybody should have heat, power, and water with no problems.</p>
<p>What bills should a family with an income that has $83,000 have to pay?  Apparently you seem to think that the government should write a check for everything.</p>
<p> Walter Hanson<br />
 Minneapolis, MN</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HCDFL:

    Boy you are a perfect demonstration of what is wrong.  I live in Minneapolis.  Minneapolis is controlled by the DFL totally.  The school board is all DFL!  The Minneapolis School Board has gotten every single tax increase that they have asked for.  We should have the smartest Rhode Scholars coming out of the Minneapolis School System every year because Democrats run education perfectly!  But we don&#039;t.  It&#039;s gotten so bad I saw an article in the Star Tribune where blacks were fleeing the school system because they lost faith in it.

   You automatically assumed that my goal was to cut the salary of the CEO running the Minneapolis school board.  In the example I quoted in #57 $100,000 of the tax dollars met for the class room was being applied to other things.  Some of it will be to heat the build but if my heating bill is $2,400 for the year lets apply that to one classroom.  That still leaves $97,600.  Lets say you pay the principle of the school $84,000 and it has just six classes.  That is $14,000 and leaves $82,600.  A secretary lets say see gets $48,000.  That is $8,000.  You still have $74,600.  Okay the janitor lets say he earns $36,000.  That still leaves $68,600.  And the math I used was when we were spending just $10,000 per student.  If we&#039;re spending $13,000 we have an unaccounted for $116,600 most of which is the buercracy.  In the school buecracy are there some positions that can be cut (corporations have gone through that).  No it&#039;s automatic.  We must get more money!  A whole bunch of private schools are able to function on tuition far less than what we&#039;re spending per student in Minneapolis.  Your criticism of Norm Coleman in your last post was get more education money.  Tell me how you and the Democrats will spend the money better first!  You attacked me, but you have never shown how to spend the money better just get more money better.  And part of the problems we have today is that parents are trying to get special tags put on their child because the government will give their children better education.  A system that isn&#039;t broken now wouldn&#039;t have parents begging to do that. 

On health care we don&#039;t have a real free market.  When it comes to Lasix surgery the free market kicked in.  The reform is to get it to the free market to begin.  The solutions of the people you support are the government controls it just like Canada and England.  Heard of waiting lists more than a year for operation.  It&#039;s gotten so bad in Canada their supreme court ruled recently that people can buy private health insurance.

On ANWAR lets see if we had it implemented in 2001 it will be kicking in at 2011 the latest.  Even if we wave a magic wand to make it happen now that will be 2018.  Thanks for the lost seven years.  There&#039;s also the Gulf of Mexico.  There&#039;s the coast of California. ANWAR is the tip of the ice berg.  And of course that is just part of the debate.  Electrical power (nuclear and coal are resources the United States has.  People say we should be like France.  Doesn&#039;t France have more than 70% of it&#039;s power that is nuclear).  
 
    New Orleans for example was the example of a Democrat controlled city.  The people when hurricane Katrina came expected the government to save their necks.  Mississippi where people don&#039;t count on the government recovered faster (maybe that was why the media ignored them),

    Everybody got a tax cut.  The lowest person cut a rate reduction of .05 which was the equivalent of 33%.  Check the stats the wealthiest pay most of the taxes to begin with.

    You claim that you have to suck out your brain to join our group.  The problem is you have to get an indepent thinking brian instead of being a brain dead zombie:

   A Zombie that says the rich are evil!

   A zombie that says the corportantion are evil!

   A zombie that says only government run health care is the best form of health care (so what if it&#039;s a disaster in Canada and England)

   A zombie that says increasing taxes will grow the economy and tax cuts will shrink the economy.

   Wow I don&#039;t want to have my brain sucked out to say stupid things like that.  That&#039;s why a lot of us on this post have been carrying what the Republicans do for future elections.

   Walter Hanson
   Minneapolis, MN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCDFL:</p>
<p>    Boy you are a perfect demonstration of what is wrong.  I live in Minneapolis.  Minneapolis is controlled by the DFL totally.  The school board is all DFL!  The Minneapolis School Board has gotten every single tax increase that they have asked for.  We should have the smartest Rhode Scholars coming out of the Minneapolis School System every year because Democrats run education perfectly!  But we don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s gotten so bad I saw an article in the Star Tribune where blacks were fleeing the school system because they lost faith in it.</p>
<p>   You automatically assumed that my goal was to cut the salary of the CEO running the Minneapolis school board.  In the example I quoted in #57 $100,000 of the tax dollars met for the class room was being applied to other things.  Some of it will be to heat the build but if my heating bill is $2,400 for the year lets apply that to one classroom.  That still leaves $97,600.  Lets say you pay the principle of the school $84,000 and it has just six classes.  That is $14,000 and leaves $82,600.  A secretary lets say see gets $48,000.  That is $8,000.  You still have $74,600.  Okay the janitor lets say he earns $36,000.  That still leaves $68,600.  And the math I used was when we were spending just $10,000 per student.  If we&#8217;re spending $13,000 we have an unaccounted for $116,600 most of which is the buercracy.  In the school buecracy are there some positions that can be cut (corporations have gone through that).  No it&#8217;s automatic.  We must get more money!  A whole bunch of private schools are able to function on tuition far less than what we&#8217;re spending per student in Minneapolis.  Your criticism of Norm Coleman in your last post was get more education money.  Tell me how you and the Democrats will spend the money better first!  You attacked me, but you have never shown how to spend the money better just get more money better.  And part of the problems we have today is that parents are trying to get special tags put on their child because the government will give their children better education.  A system that isn&#8217;t broken now wouldn&#8217;t have parents begging to do that. </p>
<p>On health care we don&#8217;t have a real free market.  When it comes to Lasix surgery the free market kicked in.  The reform is to get it to the free market to begin.  The solutions of the people you support are the government controls it just like Canada and England.  Heard of waiting lists more than a year for operation.  It&#8217;s gotten so bad in Canada their supreme court ruled recently that people can buy private health insurance.</p>
<p>On ANWAR lets see if we had it implemented in 2001 it will be kicking in at 2011 the latest.  Even if we wave a magic wand to make it happen now that will be 2018.  Thanks for the lost seven years.  There&#8217;s also the Gulf of Mexico.  There&#8217;s the coast of California. ANWAR is the tip of the ice berg.  And of course that is just part of the debate.  Electrical power (nuclear and coal are resources the United States has.  People say we should be like France.  Doesn&#8217;t France have more than 70% of it&#8217;s power that is nuclear).  </p>
<p>    New Orleans for example was the example of a Democrat controlled city.  The people when hurricane Katrina came expected the government to save their necks.  Mississippi where people don&#8217;t count on the government recovered faster (maybe that was why the media ignored them),</p>
<p>    Everybody got a tax cut.  The lowest person cut a rate reduction of .05 which was the equivalent of 33%.  Check the stats the wealthiest pay most of the taxes to begin with.</p>
<p>    You claim that you have to suck out your brain to join our group.  The problem is you have to get an indepent thinking brian instead of being a brain dead zombie:</p>
<p>   A Zombie that says the rich are evil!</p>
<p>   A zombie that says the corportantion are evil!</p>
<p>   A zombie that says only government run health care is the best form of health care (so what if it&#8217;s a disaster in Canada and England)</p>
<p>   A zombie that says increasing taxes will grow the economy and tax cuts will shrink the economy.</p>
<p>   Wow I don&#8217;t want to have my brain sucked out to say stupid things like that.  That&#8217;s why a lot of us on this post have been carrying what the Republicans do for future elections.</p>
<p>   Walter Hanson<br />
   Minneapolis, MN</p>
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		<title>By: Right is RIGHT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right is RIGHT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in the 12 years since I was in school it all went to hell? Well if I remember right, there never was enough money for education then either.  I don&#039;t know how I became the genius I am today. Imagine if I had 12 years of all that increased funding... I&#039;d probably be at NASA. Or a shrink, trying to figure out why the wiring just doesn&#039;t seem to work right in the liberal brain.

I don&#039;t have a problem with increased funding for Edu. But there is never enough money for you libs. That&#039;s why you&#039;d have Paul Welfare out there pushing for a multiple billion dollar edu increases. Or was it a trillion... It&#039;s for the kids!! Vote for me! I think our party makes more of an effort in the accountability area. Afterall, your masters at Edu MN probably aren&#039;t keen on accountability. We don&#039;t have that problem.

More students than ever with special needs... Wonder how much of that has to do with the Democrat nanny state atmosphere that&#039;s been unleashed over the years. Have to make those voters need you right?

But I suppose that&#039;s enough of the edu debate for now. We could go on and on and until some brilliant person figures out the liberal brain as I mentioned above, I&#039;m really just wasting my time. Until we meet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in the 12 years since I was in school it all went to hell? Well if I remember right, there never was enough money for education then either.  I don&#8217;t know how I became the genius I am today. Imagine if I had 12 years of all that increased funding&#8230; I&#8217;d probably be at NASA. Or a shrink, trying to figure out why the wiring just doesn&#8217;t seem to work right in the liberal brain.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with increased funding for Edu. But there is never enough money for you libs. That&#8217;s why you&#8217;d have Paul Welfare out there pushing for a multiple billion dollar edu increases. Or was it a trillion&#8230; It&#8217;s for the kids!! Vote for me! I think our party makes more of an effort in the accountability area. Afterall, your masters at Edu MN probably aren&#8217;t keen on accountability. We don&#8217;t have that problem.</p>
<p>More students than ever with special needs&#8230; Wonder how much of that has to do with the Democrat nanny state atmosphere that&#8217;s been unleashed over the years. Have to make those voters need you right?</p>
<p>But I suppose that&#8217;s enough of the edu debate for now. We could go on and on and until some brilliant person figures out the liberal brain as I mentioned above, I&#8217;m really just wasting my time. Until we meet again.</p>
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		<title>By: HCDFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCDFL</dc:creator>
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		<description>RiR,
Just as some of the posters on this website prove, not everyone is a rocket scientist, just as some also weren&#039;t in past generations. When you and the rest of your family were in school things were different. During your dad&#039;s and grandma&#039;s education schools, taught technical (shop)  classes for those that wanted to work and not continue their education. Students are not given that choice anymore, it&#039;s college or Taco Bell . The factories of yesteryear paid good wages and had insurance and pension benefits, Americans could support their families with these jobs and many did.  
There are also more students now than ever that need special services and these students add to the costs (about double that of regular Ed students). 
NCLB and it&#039;s mandates have added to the costs of public education
Why hasn&#039;t your party stepped up to the plate to address these problems and offer solutions? 
Why have they done nothing, except blame the Democrats for increased spending. 
Ask Norm Coleman and he will tell you how the Republican controlled Congress increased education funding for six years, but he won&#039;t tell what they did to fix the problem. 
What is that saying about people in glass houses?
Just as more spending doesn&#039;t fix the problem less spending won&#039;t either. 
That&#039;ll do Sheeple, that&#039;ll do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RiR,<br />
Just as some of the posters on this website prove, not everyone is a rocket scientist, just as some also weren&#8217;t in past generations. When you and the rest of your family were in school things were different. During your dad&#8217;s and grandma&#8217;s education schools, taught technical (shop)  classes for those that wanted to work and not continue their education. Students are not given that choice anymore, it&#8217;s college or Taco Bell . The factories of yesteryear paid good wages and had insurance and pension benefits, Americans could support their families with these jobs and many did.<br />
There are also more students now than ever that need special services and these students add to the costs (about double that of regular Ed students).<br />
NCLB and it&#8217;s mandates have added to the costs of public education<br />
Why hasn&#8217;t your party stepped up to the plate to address these problems and offer solutions?<br />
Why have they done nothing, except blame the Democrats for increased spending.<br />
Ask Norm Coleman and he will tell you how the Republican controlled Congress increased education funding for six years, but he won&#8217;t tell what they did to fix the problem.<br />
What is that saying about people in glass houses?<br />
Just as more spending doesn&#8217;t fix the problem less spending won&#8217;t either.<br />
That&#8217;ll do Sheeple, that&#8217;ll do</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state gop also prioritized Michele Bachmann&#039;s race at the expense of other races.  The RCCC also put major resources into Bachmann&#039;s race.  Add this to a weak opponent.

Michele Bachmann got barely over 50% of the vote in that district - even though it was a district with a strong republican index.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state gop also prioritized Michele Bachmann&#8217;s race at the expense of other races.  The RCCC also put major resources into Bachmann&#8217;s race.  Add this to a weak opponent.</p>
<p>Michele Bachmann got barely over 50% of the vote in that district &#8211; even though it was a district with a strong republican index.</p>
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		<title>By: Right is RIGHT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right is RIGHT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HCDFL,

*Education, I agree the system is not effective for all students.You assume that all students are the same and they are not, some are right brain, some are left brain, some are auditory learners, some are visual learners, some are kinetic learners, some have cognitive disorders, some have behavioral problems and some have emotional problems, that is just seven of the different learning styles and problems teachers face in their classroom everyday. I know if you canâ€™t handle the heat. In European and Asian countries they separate the students into those that can and those that canâ€™t, wonâ€™t or donâ€™t have what it takes to succeed, so their test scores reflect only the best and brightest. In America we guarantee that every child has the opportunity to attend public school regardless of their abilities.
I enjoyed your school board member story, some of them are such tools, I guess that is why most of those on my school board are Republicans.
Did you forget that schools have other costs outside of teachers, that include heat, transportation, insurance, food services, textbooks, technology, paras, secretaries, custodians, bus drivers, lights and many more services that assist students.*

Hasn&#039;t that always been the case for public schools? Sounds like how it was when I was in school. Sounds like how it was when my dad was in school. Hell, sounds like how it was when my grandma was in school. With all the increases over the past decade or so in funding, are kids really smarter or better off today? The DFL answer to education always seems to be that it sucks and it needs more money. Infact, it never could get enough money. My question is, is the money producing positive results? Or at the very least, is the investment worth the return? I was going to school at an inner city public high school in the 90s. If I could somehow go back to my teen age years and head back to school today. I really don&#039;t believe all the funding increases would make any difference. 

So either the schools aren&#039;t as big of a problem as you think or alot of money is being wasted. I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s some of both. I&#039;m not saying schools couldn&#039;t use improvement. Everything can use improvement. But I&#039;m saying your side hypes up the &quot;problem&quot; of education, then say you need to throw money at it to &quot;fix it&quot;. But it never gets &quot;fixed&quot;. Because next campaign season it&#039;s always a &quot;problem&quot; again. And that is nice for Dems because then you use the &quot;problem&quot; to buy some votes.

Keep up the noble work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCDFL,</p>
<p>*Education, I agree the system is not effective for all students.You assume that all students are the same and they are not, some are right brain, some are left brain, some are auditory learners, some are visual learners, some are kinetic learners, some have cognitive disorders, some have behavioral problems and some have emotional problems, that is just seven of the different learning styles and problems teachers face in their classroom everyday. I know if you canâ€™t handle the heat. In European and Asian countries they separate the students into those that can and those that canâ€™t, wonâ€™t or donâ€™t have what it takes to succeed, so their test scores reflect only the best and brightest. In America we guarantee that every child has the opportunity to attend public school regardless of their abilities.<br />
I enjoyed your school board member story, some of them are such tools, I guess that is why most of those on my school board are Republicans.<br />
Did you forget that schools have other costs outside of teachers, that include heat, transportation, insurance, food services, textbooks, technology, paras, secretaries, custodians, bus drivers, lights and many more services that assist students.*</p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t that always been the case for public schools? Sounds like how it was when I was in school. Sounds like how it was when my dad was in school. Hell, sounds like how it was when my grandma was in school. With all the increases over the past decade or so in funding, are kids really smarter or better off today? The DFL answer to education always seems to be that it sucks and it needs more money. Infact, it never could get enough money. My question is, is the money producing positive results? Or at the very least, is the investment worth the return? I was going to school at an inner city public high school in the 90s. If I could somehow go back to my teen age years and head back to school today. I really don&#8217;t believe all the funding increases would make any difference. </p>
<p>So either the schools aren&#8217;t as big of a problem as you think or alot of money is being wasted. I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s some of both. I&#8217;m not saying schools couldn&#8217;t use improvement. Everything can use improvement. But I&#8217;m saying your side hypes up the &#8220;problem&#8221; of education, then say you need to throw money at it to &#8220;fix it&#8221;. But it never gets &#8220;fixed&#8221;. Because next campaign season it&#8217;s always a &#8220;problem&#8221; again. And that is nice for Dems because then you use the &#8220;problem&#8221; to buy some votes.</p>
<p>Keep up the noble work.</p>
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		<title>By: shozzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>shozzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the poor timing on behalf of Pawlenty- it will be interesting when his Climate Change Advisory Group(run by an environmental advocay group out of PA that the MN PCA invited in) makes their recommendations for legislation in Feb.  Carbon taxes, congestion tolls and such were on the menu last I looked....(The Star Trib article back in Oct said the CCAG&#039;s goal was to bring metro traffic back to 1990 levels)--there could be some really interesting anti-global warming legislation coming through.  Maybe he&#039;ll be up with Will Steiger at the North Poll when it passes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the poor timing on behalf of Pawlenty- it will be interesting when his Climate Change Advisory Group(run by an environmental advocay group out of PA that the MN PCA invited in) makes their recommendations for legislation in Feb.  Carbon taxes, congestion tolls and such were on the menu last I looked&#8230;.(The Star Trib article back in Oct said the CCAG&#8217;s goal was to bring metro traffic back to 1990 levels)&#8211;there could be some really interesting anti-global warming legislation coming through.  Maybe he&#8217;ll be up with Will Steiger at the North Poll when it passes.</p>
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		<title>By: TitanTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>TitanTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, interesting comments, granted I am just a nobody but it seems nobody is placing blame where it truly belongs, with the Governor. Seems to me he is to blame for this. I hope he learned alot up their in ELY on election day and hope it doesn&#039;t raise my utility rates too much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, interesting comments, granted I am just a nobody but it seems nobody is placing blame where it truly belongs, with the Governor. Seems to me he is to blame for this. I hope he learned alot up their in ELY on election day and hope it doesn&#8217;t raise my utility rates too much more.</p>
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		<title>By: HCDFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCDFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter;
I was at a caucus training session yesterday, and I didn&#039;t have enough time to correct your GOP regurgitated talking points. 
Education, I agree the system is not effective for all students.You assume that all students are the same and they are not, some are right brain, some are left brain, some are auditory  learners, some are visual learners, some are kinetic learners, some have cognitive disorders, some have behavioral problems and some have emotional problems, that is just seven of the different learning styles and problems teachers face in their classroom  everyday. I know if you can&#039;t handle the heat.  In European  and Asian countries they separate the students into those that can and those that can&#039;t, won&#039;t or don&#039;t have what it takes to succeed, so their test scores reflect only the best and brightest.  In America we guarantee that every child has the opportunity to attend public school regardless of their abilities.
I enjoyed your school board member story, some of them are such tools, I guess that is why most of those on my school board are Republicans.
Did you forget that schools have other costs outside of teachers, that include heat, transportation, insurance, food services, textbooks, technology, paras, secretaries, custodians, bus drivers, lights and many more services that assist students.
Why is it OK to cut the wages of a school&#039;s CEO (superintendent), and yet you defend the right of corporate CEO&#039;s to make millions while their employees struggle to make ends meet?
I agree schools do need to be fixed, but that is a post for another day. Are there some teachers who shouldn&#039;t be teaching, Yes. May I suggest that you spend a day at a school and then let me know what your thought are and what you would do to improve the system.
Health care is in crisis in America, but your suggestion that the free market will correct all the wrong is wrong. The free market has done nothing to reign in the rising cost of health care, except to provide corporations with record profits,
With the Bush plan Americans save money if they don&#039;t go to the doctor or use medications. Isn&#039;t this kind of like rewarding you not to seek medical care and in turn not to use the insurance that you pay for to cover medical care. Beside it your fault if you are not healthy, right.
So with the saving corporations receive from employees taking over their insurance costs, you believe they are going to kick it back to the workers. Corporations will keep every penny of this savings and add it  to their profits and American workers will sink even further into debt, with high deductible policies and restricted coverage. 
You are right mandates do add to the cost of medical care, but I also don&#039;t feel that it should be necessary for the government  to have to mandate that insurance companies cover treatments that they should be covering in the first place(mental health yes, hair transplants no). 
Tort Reform and Lawsuits, Bush said that &quot;Ob-Gyn doctor were afraid to practice their love on their patients &quot; because of law suits and there would be a $60 - $108 billion savings by capping the amount at $250,000, of that  $28 billion would be saved by tax payers
The GAO &amp; CBO both said it would make little difference in health care savings and that it is the treatment of patients who received the questionable care that is part of driving up the cost.
Many states have seen the amount of malpractice claims go down in recent years, in Missouri claims dropped to an all time low and in New Jersey claims declined by 21%, but both of these state also saw a surge in the cost of malpractice insurance and large profits for insurers.
Big Phara, 
Walter, 
Have you ever heard of the National Institutes of Health?, it is a Government funded research lab that makes most of the discoveries that drug companies market. drug companies are suppose to return a certain portion of their profits to NIH but few return the full amount. Drug companies have made as much as a $9 billion profit from tax payer financed research. So the talking point about them not doing any research is true, they don&#039;t the government does it.
ANWAR
1002 the area that is suppose to contain the oil that will end our foreign dependance, has between 5 and 12 billion barrels, and of that only about half is cost effective to recover. It would take ten years to get the operation up and running, and then it would provide only 3.3% of our daily use and last about a  half a year at our current consumption rate. 
Maybe gas prices are lower this time of the year so that we have or think we have more money to do more spending in the stores.   Gas prices are up this week.
Walter; 
Your suggestions do nothing more than to put more money in the pockets of corporations and read just like they are straight out of the Republican/corporate America playbook.
You said you are the party of the middle class and the poor, then how come Bush signed a ban on states restricting how they qualify residents for Medicaid using their federally allotted amounts and this on top of the S-Chip veto( New York asked and was turned down to cover families up to $83,000, there is nothing in the bill about this amount). Sounds pro family to me.
Bush also sign a $20 billion tax cut for oil companies. 
Always the same, tax cuts for the 1%ers or plenty of money for the war, but no insurance for the children and others in need.
All president have used signing statements, some are standard but none of them have abused the power like Bush. 
Walter;
No thanks, I couldn&#039;t suck out enough brains to join your mindless group.
That&#039;ll do sheeple, that&#039;ll do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter;<br />
I was at a caucus training session yesterday, and I didn&#8217;t have enough time to correct your GOP regurgitated talking points.<br />
Education, I agree the system is not effective for all students.You assume that all students are the same and they are not, some are right brain, some are left brain, some are auditory  learners, some are visual learners, some are kinetic learners, some have cognitive disorders, some have behavioral problems and some have emotional problems, that is just seven of the different learning styles and problems teachers face in their classroom  everyday. I know if you can&#8217;t handle the heat.  In European  and Asian countries they separate the students into those that can and those that can&#8217;t, won&#8217;t or don&#8217;t have what it takes to succeed, so their test scores reflect only the best and brightest.  In America we guarantee that every child has the opportunity to attend public school regardless of their abilities.<br />
I enjoyed your school board member story, some of them are such tools, I guess that is why most of those on my school board are Republicans.<br />
Did you forget that schools have other costs outside of teachers, that include heat, transportation, insurance, food services, textbooks, technology, paras, secretaries, custodians, bus drivers, lights and many more services that assist students.<br />
Why is it OK to cut the wages of a school&#8217;s CEO (superintendent), and yet you defend the right of corporate CEO&#8217;s to make millions while their employees struggle to make ends meet?<br />
I agree schools do need to be fixed, but that is a post for another day. Are there some teachers who shouldn&#8217;t be teaching, Yes. May I suggest that you spend a day at a school and then let me know what your thought are and what you would do to improve the system.<br />
Health care is in crisis in America, but your suggestion that the free market will correct all the wrong is wrong. The free market has done nothing to reign in the rising cost of health care, except to provide corporations with record profits,<br />
With the Bush plan Americans save money if they don&#8217;t go to the doctor or use medications. Isn&#8217;t this kind of like rewarding you not to seek medical care and in turn not to use the insurance that you pay for to cover medical care. Beside it your fault if you are not healthy, right.<br />
So with the saving corporations receive from employees taking over their insurance costs, you believe they are going to kick it back to the workers. Corporations will keep every penny of this savings and add it  to their profits and American workers will sink even further into debt, with high deductible policies and restricted coverage.<br />
You are right mandates do add to the cost of medical care, but I also don&#8217;t feel that it should be necessary for the government  to have to mandate that insurance companies cover treatments that they should be covering in the first place(mental health yes, hair transplants no).<br />
Tort Reform and Lawsuits, Bush said that &#8220;Ob-Gyn doctor were afraid to practice their love on their patients &#8221; because of law suits and there would be a $60 &#8211; $108 billion savings by capping the amount at $250,000, of that  $28 billion would be saved by tax payers<br />
The GAO &amp; CBO both said it would make little difference in health care savings and that it is the treatment of patients who received the questionable care that is part of driving up the cost.<br />
Many states have seen the amount of malpractice claims go down in recent years, in Missouri claims dropped to an all time low and in New Jersey claims declined by 21%, but both of these state also saw a surge in the cost of malpractice insurance and large profits for insurers.<br />
Big Phara,<br />
Walter,<br />
Have you ever heard of the National Institutes of Health?, it is a Government funded research lab that makes most of the discoveries that drug companies market. drug companies are suppose to return a certain portion of their profits to NIH but few return the full amount. Drug companies have made as much as a $9 billion profit from tax payer financed research. So the talking point about them not doing any research is true, they don&#8217;t the government does it.<br />
ANWAR<br />
1002 the area that is suppose to contain the oil that will end our foreign dependance, has between 5 and 12 billion barrels, and of that only about half is cost effective to recover. It would take ten years to get the operation up and running, and then it would provide only 3.3% of our daily use and last about a  half a year at our current consumption rate.<br />
Maybe gas prices are lower this time of the year so that we have or think we have more money to do more spending in the stores.   Gas prices are up this week.<br />
Walter;<br />
Your suggestions do nothing more than to put more money in the pockets of corporations and read just like they are straight out of the Republican/corporate America playbook.<br />
You said you are the party of the middle class and the poor, then how come Bush signed a ban on states restricting how they qualify residents for Medicaid using their federally allotted amounts and this on top of the S-Chip veto( New York asked and was turned down to cover families up to $83,000, there is nothing in the bill about this amount). Sounds pro family to me.<br />
Bush also sign a $20 billion tax cut for oil companies.<br />
Always the same, tax cuts for the 1%ers or plenty of money for the war, but no insurance for the children and others in need.<br />
All president have used signing statements, some are standard but none of them have abused the power like Bush.<br />
Walter;<br />
No thanks, I couldn&#8217;t suck out enough brains to join your mindless group.<br />
That&#8217;ll do sheeple, that&#8217;ll do</p>
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		<title>By: Right is RIGHT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right is RIGHT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twopudd,

What is Al&#039;s weather forcast today? Judging by your anger, there must be a 80% chance of severe sky falling today.

&quot;&quot;Bush The Lesser is the greatest thread to tyranny ever faced by this country, because he and his neo-con pals believe you have NO RIGHT TO HABEAS CORPUS.&quot;&quot;

Wow. Make sure you have your helmet on when you step outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twopudd,</p>
<p>What is Al&#8217;s weather forcast today? Judging by your anger, there must be a 80% chance of severe sky falling today.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Bush The Lesser is the greatest thread to tyranny ever faced by this country, because he and his neo-con pals believe you have NO RIGHT TO HABEAS CORPUS.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Wow. Make sure you have your helmet on when you step outside.</p>
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		<title>By: rudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing no one is talking about is that Governor Pawlenty gave Neuville the judgeship knowing that he was one vote from the veto override and that SD 25 would be difficult. There was no reason to appoint Neuvile at this time, none. I have no empathy for Pawlenty&#039;s position this session - he did it to himself. Real smart move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing no one is talking about is that Governor Pawlenty gave Neuville the judgeship knowing that he was one vote from the veto override and that SD 25 would be difficult. There was no reason to appoint Neuvile at this time, none. I have no empathy for Pawlenty&#8217;s position this session &#8211; he did it to himself. Real smart move.</p>
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		<title>By: NARN â€œTHE FINAL WORDâ€ TODAY FROM 3-5 P.M. #2 &#124; Minnesota Democrats Exposed</title>
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		<dc:creator>NARN â€œTHE FINAL WORDâ€ TODAY FROM 3-5 P.M. #2 &#124; Minnesota Democrats Exposed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] By Michael B. Brodkorb &#124; January 6, 2008    Yesterday&#039;s show was a complete blast. I want to thank Chris Tiedeman for co-hosting yesterday&#039;s radio show in King&#039;s absence.&#160; Chris had agreed to co-host the show before I started giving out awards, but he showed up and continually kept the discussion focused.&#160; &#160;  &#160; I especially want to thank Drew Emmer and Mitch Berg for being guests of the program for the entire two hour. They didn&#039;t need to stay for two hours, but they did and the discussion we had was wonderful (some have called it one of the NARN&#039;s finest moments).&#160; I also want to thank the all-star list of people who called into the program.&#160;&#160; To the people who had questions about the endorsement process, Chris offered his comments as he served as the parliamentarian of the SD 25 endorsing convention. I encourage people to ready Lady Logician&#039;s post on precinct caucus and endorsements by BPOUs.  &#160; Both Mitch and Drew are hard working members of the conservative movement in Minnesota. Both men passionately defend and promote the conservative philosophy on their blogs and I learned more about their positions during the program.&#160; I consider them both good friends and I think we all left the studio better friends then when the show started.&#160; While the conversation was passionate, it was respectful.&#160; We didn&#039;t call each other &quot;zombies&quot;, we didn&#039;t say that they other person &quot;had blood on their hands&quot;.&#160; We each had a different opinion about the election in SD 25.  &#160; The point of lampooning of Drew&#039;s and Mitch&#039;s posts was point out a larger problem that I see that with a certain element of the conservative movement. Some people like to complain and act, while some people just like to complain.&#160; It was my opinion that Drew&#039;s and Mitch&#039;s posts were about complaining and not about acting.&#160; As I wrote, neither of them had done any volunteering for the Republican effort in SD 25, yet they were the first to complain about the loss.&#160; But they both complained because they care about the conservative movement in Minnesota.&#160; In reality, our very important conversation wouldn&#039;t have occurred without Drew&#039;s post.&#160; For that, we should all offer our sincere thanks. &#160;&#160;  &#160; Finally, by poking fun at Drew&#039;s and Mitch&#039;s post rather than calling them names, I was trying to provide an example of how conservatives can disagree about the Republican party and yet remain good friends. It wasn&#039;t a bit, but rather an important exercise.&#160; Complain, but also act.&#160; Disagree and bebate, but remain friends.&#160; We are all on the same side. &#160; I tip my hat to Chris, Drew and Mitch.&#160; Thank you for appearing on yesterday&#039;s show.&#160; Thanks for being good conservatives, thanks for offering your suggestions on how to strengthen the Republican Party. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] By Michael B. Brodkorb | January 6, 2008    Yesterday&#39;s show was a complete blast. I want to thank Chris Tiedeman for co-hosting yesterday&#39;s radio show in King&#39;s absence.&nbsp; Chris had agreed to co-host the show before I started giving out awards, but he showed up and continually kept the discussion focused.&nbsp; &nbsp;  &nbsp; I especially want to thank Drew Emmer and Mitch Berg for being guests of the program for the entire two hour. They didn&#39;t need to stay for two hours, but they did and the discussion we had was wonderful (some have called it one of the NARN&#39;s finest moments).&nbsp; I also want to thank the all-star list of people who called into the program.&nbsp;&nbsp; To the people who had questions about the endorsement process, Chris offered his comments as he served as the parliamentarian of the SD 25 endorsing convention. I encourage people to ready Lady Logician&#39;s post on precinct caucus and endorsements by BPOUs.  &nbsp; Both Mitch and Drew are hard working members of the conservative movement in Minnesota. Both men passionately defend and promote the conservative philosophy on their blogs and I learned more about their positions during the program.&nbsp; I consider them both good friends and I think we all left the studio better friends then when the show started.&nbsp; While the conversation was passionate, it was respectful.&nbsp; We didn&#39;t call each other &quot;zombies&quot;, we didn&#39;t say that they other person &quot;had blood on their hands&quot;.&nbsp; We each had a different opinion about the election in SD 25.  &nbsp; The point of lampooning of Drew&#39;s and Mitch&#39;s posts was point out a larger problem that I see that with a certain element of the conservative movement. Some people like to complain and act, while some people just like to complain.&nbsp; It was my opinion that Drew&#39;s and Mitch&#39;s posts were about complaining and not about acting.&nbsp; As I wrote, neither of them had done any volunteering for the Republican effort in SD 25, yet they were the first to complain about the loss.&nbsp; But they both complained because they care about the conservative movement in Minnesota.&nbsp; In reality, our very important conversation wouldn&#39;t have occurred without Drew&#39;s post.&nbsp; For that, we should all offer our sincere thanks. &nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp; Finally, by poking fun at Drew&#39;s and Mitch&#39;s post rather than calling them names, I was trying to provide an example of how conservatives can disagree about the Republican party and yet remain good friends. It wasn&#39;t a bit, but rather an important exercise.&nbsp; Complain, but also act.&nbsp; Disagree and bebate, but remain friends.&nbsp; We are all on the same side. &nbsp; I tip my hat to Chris, Drew and Mitch.&nbsp; Thank you for appearing on yesterday&#39;s show.&nbsp; Thanks for being good conservatives, thanks for offering your suggestions on how to strengthen the Republican Party. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter has a point.  I gave money to Bachmann; I will not make phone calls for, door knock for or in any other way support the amnesty /dream act supporting RINO Norm Coleman. Just like I didn&#039;t do anything to support Cox.

I listened to part of the diatribe yesterday where MB went after his pals.  Sorry, but it was disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter has a point.  I gave money to Bachmann; I will not make phone calls for, door knock for or in any other way support the amnesty /dream act supporting RINO Norm Coleman. Just like I didn&#8217;t do anything to support Cox.</p>
<p>I listened to part of the diatribe yesterday where MB went after his pals.  Sorry, but it was disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points here.  One person pointed out that Bachmann lost in her Senate district won.  Lets point out that Bachmann got the full assult.  She had the Democrats nationally.  she had everyone of these groups that helped Dahle going against her.  She won!  Why?

Because she reflected our values and we went out and defended her with money and donations!  There are a couple of candidates who might have conservative views wondering if they should run.  Hopefully the support Bachmann got will inspire them.

To HCDFL.  I went on post number 57 three issues which you seem to care about.  Instead you ducked. You didn&#039;t bother to argue how the Democrat ideas are better.  Part of the frustration us conservatives have is the winning ideas we express and want are ignored by our people.  They run on what they think the people want to hear instead of the ideas and convincing the people that they are better.

To four putt Tommy.  We went to war in particular in Iraq because we had to!  And in part because the Democrats despite all their tough talk and fluster didn&#039;t lift a finger to stop terrorism or Saddam.  Democrats don&#039;t go to war period even if they think it&#039;s need.  They try to hold a group hug and say &quot;Can&#039;t we get along&quot;  Part of the problem for this foreign policy stuff you hate Bush for is that he&#039;s trying to clean up the messes that Clinton just ignored because he wanted to be popular.  

 Not to mention I believe all Presidents have always done those signing acts.  What is their interpretation of the law.

Just remember folks come February 5th we need to be out in force and reclaim the party!

 Walter Hanson
 Minneapolis, MN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points here.  One person pointed out that Bachmann lost in her Senate district won.  Lets point out that Bachmann got the full assult.  She had the Democrats nationally.  she had everyone of these groups that helped Dahle going against her.  She won!  Why?</p>
<p>Because she reflected our values and we went out and defended her with money and donations!  There are a couple of candidates who might have conservative views wondering if they should run.  Hopefully the support Bachmann got will inspire them.</p>
<p>To HCDFL.  I went on post number 57 three issues which you seem to care about.  Instead you ducked. You didn&#8217;t bother to argue how the Democrat ideas are better.  Part of the frustration us conservatives have is the winning ideas we express and want are ignored by our people.  They run on what they think the people want to hear instead of the ideas and convincing the people that they are better.</p>
<p>To four putt Tommy.  We went to war in particular in Iraq because we had to!  And in part because the Democrats despite all their tough talk and fluster didn&#8217;t lift a finger to stop terrorism or Saddam.  Democrats don&#8217;t go to war period even if they think it&#8217;s need.  They try to hold a group hug and say &#8220;Can&#8217;t we get along&#8221;  Part of the problem for this foreign policy stuff you hate Bush for is that he&#8217;s trying to clean up the messes that Clinton just ignored because he wanted to be popular.  </p>
<p> Not to mention I believe all Presidents have always done those signing acts.  What is their interpretation of the law.</p>
<p>Just remember folks come February 5th we need to be out in force and reclaim the party!</p>
<p> Walter Hanson<br />
 Minneapolis, MN</p>
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		<title>By: TwoPuttTommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TwoPuttTommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, Mr. Ed?


What do you think of the idea that a US President gets to use &quot;signing statements&quot; to say which laws he will and/or will not follow?

And if the US President doesn&#039;t have to follow legislation passed by the legislative, doesn&#039;t that mean the US President doesn&#039;t have to follow rulings passed by the other branch, the Judiciary?


Here&#039;s the point bootlickers miss, Ed - I don&#039;t complain about what Boy Blunder does simply because he&#039;s &quot;Boy Blunder&quot;; I complain because it&#039;s WRONG no matter WHAT president does it; no matter WHICH party the president is from.


And I don&#039;t &quot;hate&quot; Bush The Lesser; I just can&#039;t believe that I&#039;d ever see a day I&#039;d miss Richard &quot;I am not a crook&quot; Nixon.

You can&#039;t spell &quot;worst&quot; without dubya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, Mr. Ed?</p>
<p>What do you think of the idea that a US President gets to use &#8220;signing statements&#8221; to say which laws he will and/or will not follow?</p>
<p>And if the US President doesn&#8217;t have to follow legislation passed by the legislative, doesn&#8217;t that mean the US President doesn&#8217;t have to follow rulings passed by the other branch, the Judiciary?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the point bootlickers miss, Ed &#8211; I don&#8217;t complain about what Boy Blunder does simply because he&#8217;s &#8220;Boy Blunder&#8221;; I complain because it&#8217;s WRONG no matter WHAT president does it; no matter WHICH party the president is from.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t &#8220;hate&#8221; Bush The Lesser; I just can&#8217;t believe that I&#8217;d ever see a day I&#8217;d miss Richard &#8220;I am not a crook&#8221; Nixon.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t spell &#8220;worst&#8221; without dubya.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Ed</dc:creator>
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		<description>I hate Bush, I hate Chaney - hate hate hate - Two Putz -so much anger - you are a true Minnesota Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate Bush, I hate Chaney &#8211; hate hate hate &#8211; Two Putz -so much anger &#8211; you are a true Minnesota Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: TwoPuttTommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TwoPuttTommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***&lt;em&gt;I know you clowns donâ€™t seem to think we need a military or intelligence agency unless they are doing peace corp stuff.&lt;/em&gt;

BULL (CHENEY)INâ€™ SHIT.

Hereâ€™s the difference, you ChickenHawk bootlicker:


republiCons believe you go to war because you WANT to; Democrats believe you go to war because you HAVE to.

And it&#039;s mighty (cheney)in&#039; funny how all you bootlickers in the party that allegedly believes in &quot;personal responsibility&quot; have failed to hold anyone responsible for the FUBAR the occupation of Iraq has become.


In the misAdministration of Bush The Lesser, those that (cheney) up are promoted; those that really (cheney) up are given medals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***<em>I know you clowns donâ€™t seem to think we need a military or intelligence agency unless they are doing peace corp stuff.</em></p>
<p>BULL (CHENEY)INâ€™ SHIT.</p>
<p>Hereâ€™s the difference, you ChickenHawk bootlicker:</p>
<p>republiCons believe you go to war because you WANT to; Democrats believe you go to war because you HAVE to.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s mighty (cheney)in&#8217; funny how all you bootlickers in the party that allegedly believes in &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221; have failed to hold anyone responsible for the FUBAR the occupation of Iraq has become.</p>
<p>In the misAdministration of Bush The Lesser, those that (cheney) up are promoted; those that really (cheney) up are given medals.</p>
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		<title>By: TwoPuttTommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TwoPuttTommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RiR, 

***&lt;em&gt;You canâ€™t win debates on the issues.&lt;/em&gt;***


Your party can&#039;t talk about issues in an honest, factual manner.  It&#039;s &quot;Guns, Gays, And God&quot; in a divisive and dishonest manner, and voters are tired of it.

And BTW - theres plenty of dems that got plenty of guns - I&#039;m one of &#039;em.  Bootlickers have been so brainwashed by the 2nd Amendment BS elected republiCons, Faux Gnus, and Drug Limpstick have tossed around, they didn&#039;t notice the misAdministration of Bush The Lesser believes not only can they take your guns, they can take you, your wife, your kids, your guns, your private property, AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHALLENGE THE GOVT&#039;S ACTIONS IN COURT.


Bush The Lesser is the greatest thread to tyranny ever faced by this country, because he and his neo-con pals believe you have NO RIGHT TO HABEAS CORPUS.


***&lt;em&gt;I know you clowns donâ€™t seem to think we need a military or intelligence agency unless they are doing peace corp stuff. &lt;/em&gt;

BULL (CHENEY)IN&#039; SHIT.


Here&#039;s the difference, you ChickenHawk bootlicker:

***&lt;em&gt;How much money do we have to spend for everything to be allright in your world of â€œFactman and sidekick Truthâ€?&lt;/em&gt;


Those two don&#039;t live in your world, Where Boy Blunder is an honest leader, Dick (cheney)in&#039; Cheney isn&#039;t the worst VPOTUS ever (knockin&#039; Spiro T. out to get that spot),  Valerie Plame was a glorified coffee gofer, and Iran is building &quot;newklear&quot; weapons.


republiCons believe you go to war (with other people&#039;s kids) because you WANT to;  

Democrats believe you go to war because you HAVE to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RiR, </p>
<p>***<em>You canâ€™t win debates on the issues.</em>***</p>
<p>Your party can&#8217;t talk about issues in an honest, factual manner.  It&#8217;s &#8220;Guns, Gays, And God&#8221; in a divisive and dishonest manner, and voters are tired of it.</p>
<p>And BTW &#8211; theres plenty of dems that got plenty of guns &#8211; I&#8217;m one of &#8216;em.  Bootlickers have been so brainwashed by the 2nd Amendment BS elected republiCons, Faux Gnus, and Drug Limpstick have tossed around, they didn&#8217;t notice the misAdministration of Bush The Lesser believes not only can they take your guns, they can take you, your wife, your kids, your guns, your private property, AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHALLENGE THE GOVT&#8217;S ACTIONS IN COURT.</p>
<p>Bush The Lesser is the greatest thread to tyranny ever faced by this country, because he and his neo-con pals believe you have NO RIGHT TO HABEAS CORPUS.</p>
<p>***<em>I know you clowns donâ€™t seem to think we need a military or intelligence agency unless they are doing peace corp stuff. </em></p>
<p>BULL (CHENEY)IN&#8217; SHIT.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the difference, you ChickenHawk bootlicker:</p>
<p>***<em>How much money do we have to spend for everything to be allright in your world of â€œFactman and sidekick Truthâ€?</em></p>
<p>Those two don&#8217;t live in your world, Where Boy Blunder is an honest leader, Dick (cheney)in&#8217; Cheney isn&#8217;t the worst VPOTUS ever (knockin&#8217; Spiro T. out to get that spot),  Valerie Plame was a glorified coffee gofer, and Iran is building &#8220;newklear&#8221; weapons.</p>
<p>republiCons believe you go to war (with other people&#8217;s kids) because you WANT to;  </p>
<p>Democrats believe you go to war because you HAVE to.</p>
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		<title>By: Right is RIGHT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right is RIGHT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HCDFL,

I do have a half of a hoagie from Davannis I was just about to eat. I think I will call Rush and see if he thinks it&#039;s OK for me to eat it. I don&#039;t think it was in the talking points today.

Funny part is that I don&#039;t even listen to talk radio. Funnier thing is when loons like you throw that argument out there that we RIGHT thinkers are brainwashed or something. I personally feel it&#039;s your own insecurity. You can&#039;t win debates on the issues. So you just resort to character attacks and try to marginalize. That, or you actually don&#039;t believe the lunacy you spout out so you have to try to make yourself believe we are brainwashed to feel better about yourself. 

You mentioned education previously. How much money do you think it will take for our public schools not to suck? Infact, is there anything that doesn&#039;t suck and need more tax payer dollars and government oversight? Besides National Defense of course... I know you clowns don&#039;t seem to think we need a military or intelligence agency unless they are doing peace corp stuff. How much money do we have to spend for everything to be allright in your world of &quot;Factman and sidekick Truth&quot;?

I&#039;ve often wondered if you libs have your own personal weatherman to give you forecasts on how much the sky is going to fall each day... Maybe it&#039;s Al Gore... He is the climate expert after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCDFL,</p>
<p>I do have a half of a hoagie from Davannis I was just about to eat. I think I will call Rush and see if he thinks it&#8217;s OK for me to eat it. I don&#8217;t think it was in the talking points today.</p>
<p>Funny part is that I don&#8217;t even listen to talk radio. Funnier thing is when loons like you throw that argument out there that we RIGHT thinkers are brainwashed or something. I personally feel it&#8217;s your own insecurity. You can&#8217;t win debates on the issues. So you just resort to character attacks and try to marginalize. That, or you actually don&#8217;t believe the lunacy you spout out so you have to try to make yourself believe we are brainwashed to feel better about yourself. </p>
<p>You mentioned education previously. How much money do you think it will take for our public schools not to suck? Infact, is there anything that doesn&#8217;t suck and need more tax payer dollars and government oversight? Besides National Defense of course&#8230; I know you clowns don&#8217;t seem to think we need a military or intelligence agency unless they are doing peace corp stuff. How much money do we have to spend for everything to be allright in your world of &#8220;Factman and sidekick Truth&#8221;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered if you libs have your own personal weatherman to give you forecasts on how much the sky is going to fall each day&#8230; Maybe it&#8217;s Al Gore&#8230; He is the climate expert after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without commenting on the campaign efforts of anyone specific, Michael&#039;s fundamental point is a good one and spot on.  We each need to look inside ourselves and ask &quot;Did I do enough/anything to help?&quot; If the answer is no, then toungues should be held.

There is a wide gap between the talkers and the doers in this party and we all know what camp we each fall into.  Let&#039;s learn from this in November and lodge our complaints and dissent, AFTER we have knocked on some doors, made some phone calls, and raised some money for ALL Republicans.

Once we have all done that, then we may not have to complain about why we lost.  Insted, we can all celebrate why we won.  There is no substitute for hard work and the individuals who work tirelessly on the ground have my neverending respect and admiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without commenting on the campaign efforts of anyone specific, Michael&#8217;s fundamental point is a good one and spot on.  We each need to look inside ourselves and ask &#8220;Did I do enough/anything to help?&#8221; If the answer is no, then toungues should be held.</p>
<p>There is a wide gap between the talkers and the doers in this party and we all know what camp we each fall into.  Let&#8217;s learn from this in November and lodge our complaints and dissent, AFTER we have knocked on some doors, made some phone calls, and raised some money for ALL Republicans.</p>
<p>Once we have all done that, then we may not have to complain about why we lost.  Insted, we can all celebrate why we won.  There is no substitute for hard work and the individuals who work tirelessly on the ground have my neverending respect and admiration.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you HCDFL- Mr. Airhead America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you HCDFL- Mr. Airhead America.</p>
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		<title>By: HCDFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCDFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right,
 Hook up the kool aid, take another bite of the sandwich, turn to faux noise or rush, reread the daily talking points and everything will be OK, because you know in your world that the mean and nasty Factman and his sidekick Truth,  will be defeated by the right wing misinformation squad. 
That&#039;ll do Sheeple, that&#039;ll do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right,<br />
 Hook up the kool aid, take another bite of the sandwich, turn to faux noise or rush, reread the daily talking points and everything will be OK, because you know in your world that the mean and nasty Factman and his sidekick Truth,  will be defeated by the right wing misinformation squad.<br />
That&#8217;ll do Sheeple, that&#8217;ll do</p>
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		<title>By: shozzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>shozzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the bottom line- 
The DFL welcomes in all candidates (OK maybe not all the time- I&#039;m not a DFL&#039;r so I don&#039;t know this for a fact- but from what I can see from the outside)...look at CD3 Race- 3 viable candidates representing 3 different factions of their party- then they have lots of forums, lots of PR, etc.  then they endorse someboday- then all the candidates throw their support to the endorsed candidate- this brings the numbers as the candidates supporters move over- they feel they got a fair shake and they stay involved through the general election.  They win.

Obviously there may have not been enough time to accomplish this in this SD 25 race, but why weren&#039;t the delegates phone numebers provided to the other person interested in running??  perhaps there was time if people behind the scenes knew the appointment was coming.  I don&#039;t know.  

Let me say this- from being involved in another SD- we are not making the endorsement process as open as it could be- we are not holding candidate forums prior to endorsement- we are alienating fellow GOP&#039;s whether they be strong conservatives, or moderates, or even right-leaning Independents, or whatever- we are losing to the seemingly more open process of the DFL COMBINED with the national left-wing groups (Emily&#039;s list, Sierra Club, etc) that have been through my neighborhood 6 times in 3 years and are compiling list after list of where their supporters live (and then they get them out).

It&#039;s not good-- but it could be fixed.  I&#039;ll reserve final judgement of the MNGOP until after the &#039;08 election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the bottom line-<br />
The DFL welcomes in all candidates (OK maybe not all the time- I&#8217;m not a DFL&#8217;r so I don&#8217;t know this for a fact- but from what I can see from the outside)&#8230;look at CD3 Race- 3 viable candidates representing 3 different factions of their party- then they have lots of forums, lots of PR, etc.  then they endorse someboday- then all the candidates throw their support to the endorsed candidate- this brings the numbers as the candidates supporters move over- they feel they got a fair shake and they stay involved through the general election.  They win.</p>
<p>Obviously there may have not been enough time to accomplish this in this SD 25 race, but why weren&#8217;t the delegates phone numebers provided to the other person interested in running??  perhaps there was time if people behind the scenes knew the appointment was coming.  I don&#8217;t know.  </p>
<p>Let me say this- from being involved in another SD- we are not making the endorsement process as open as it could be- we are not holding candidate forums prior to endorsement- we are alienating fellow GOP&#8217;s whether they be strong conservatives, or moderates, or even right-leaning Independents, or whatever- we are losing to the seemingly more open process of the DFL COMBINED with the national left-wing groups (Emily&#8217;s list, Sierra Club, etc) that have been through my neighborhood 6 times in 3 years and are compiling list after list of where their supporters live (and then they get them out).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not good&#8211; but it could be fixed.  I&#8217;ll reserve final judgement of the MNGOP until after the &#8216;08 election.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to the show.  It was great radio.  I especially enjoyed the part where Rory Koch put Mitch Berg in his place when Mitch claimed the process was &quot;unfair&quot; and &quot;closed&quot; in CD 4.  Koch as district chair pointed out how Berg was mostly missing in action when it came to attending party meetings and events.

Also, the claim that all the efforts by the left is all paid people - and that there aren&#039;t motivated volunteers is bogus.  There are always some paid people, but most of the work - on both sides - is done by volunteers.  

Gene Kasper - you&#039;ve made a fair point about the moderates - they also should have been out there doing some work for Cox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the show.  It was great radio.  I especially enjoyed the part where Rory Koch put Mitch Berg in his place when Mitch claimed the process was &#8220;unfair&#8221; and &#8220;closed&#8221; in CD 4.  Koch as district chair pointed out how Berg was mostly missing in action when it came to attending party meetings and events.</p>
<p>Also, the claim that all the efforts by the left is all paid people &#8211; and that there aren&#8217;t motivated volunteers is bogus.  There are always some paid people, but most of the work &#8211; on both sides &#8211; is done by volunteers.  </p>
<p>Gene Kasper &#8211; you&#8217;ve made a fair point about the moderates &#8211; they also should have been out there doing some work for Cox.</p>
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		<title>By: prowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>prowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: I listened to you today and I must say that your approach to your colleagues was very unprofessional...and on top of that, urelenting to the point of being childish. Yes, these are harsh words, but come from an elder that listens to a lot of talk radio, is an ardent conservative, has watched Minnesota conservatism for many years, is an Ole(in a persistent battle with its left slide), and understands how far left Northfield has become. The Cox endorsement by the Strib was enough to know he was a RINO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: I listened to you today and I must say that your approach to your colleagues was very unprofessional&#8230;and on top of that, urelenting to the point of being childish. Yes, these are harsh words, but come from an elder that listens to a lot of talk radio, is an ardent conservative, has watched Minnesota conservatism for many years, is an Ole(in a persistent battle with its left slide), and understands how far left Northfield has become. The Cox endorsement by the Strib was enough to know he was a RINO.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Kasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Kasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked as a activist in Wright County. I appreciate this blog and you work hard with it and thank you but you are wrong about Drew.  

Drew has been in there working the streets, the phone banks and motivating people to do their best. He is one of the hardest working activist in our county.  

What is happening is that the very hard working conservatives are becoming tired with our party.  The four line call by the GOP to help Ray Cox, a moderate Republican, came to me but then I am tired of supporting Republicans who are supporting more taxes and less liberty.  But what is concerning is many others, who traditionally do the work,are also tired.  

The truth is that conservatives do the work, moderates don&#039;t.  You are upset that we did not jump and to to Northfield for someone who refused to create a reason for us to work for him.  Ray Cox even failed to get his people to volunteer.  Then he refused to give conservatives a reason to take time so when he becomes elected we suspect he most likely will ignore our conservative views.  

I know you were in Northfield working for Ray Cox and I bet most of the other volunteers working for him were also good conservatives but doesn&#039;t that prove my point?  Why not ask, where were the multitude of moderate Republicans, those who agreed with Ray Cox and excited about his candidacy, working in Northfield for their candidate?  Why didn&#039;t Ray Cox ask that question and why wasn&#039;t he organized around them?

I have managed phone banks and if the candidate can produce excitement, we can obtain the volunteers.  

The wealthy Left have changed the game.  That is Drew&#039;s main point.  We must respond to that challenge as they are proving successful.  It is not enough to depend on volunteers and we need to organize at a different level - that is evident except to the bureaucrats in our state party who are stuck in their old paradigm.   We need leadership and it is lacking at the state level.  

Gene Kasper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked as a activist in Wright County. I appreciate this blog and you work hard with it and thank you but you are wrong about Drew.  </p>
<p>Drew has been in there working the streets, the phone banks and motivating people to do their best. He is one of the hardest working activist in our county.  </p>
<p>What is happening is that the very hard working conservatives are becoming tired with our party.  The four line call by the GOP to help Ray Cox, a moderate Republican, came to me but then I am tired of supporting Republicans who are supporting more taxes and less liberty.  But what is concerning is many others, who traditionally do the work,are also tired.  </p>
<p>The truth is that conservatives do the work, moderates don&#8217;t.  You are upset that we did not jump and to to Northfield for someone who refused to create a reason for us to work for him.  Ray Cox even failed to get his people to volunteer.  Then he refused to give conservatives a reason to take time so when he becomes elected we suspect he most likely will ignore our conservative views.  </p>
<p>I know you were in Northfield working for Ray Cox and I bet most of the other volunteers working for him were also good conservatives but doesn&#8217;t that prove my point?  Why not ask, where were the multitude of moderate Republicans, those who agreed with Ray Cox and excited about his candidacy, working in Northfield for their candidate?  Why didn&#8217;t Ray Cox ask that question and why wasn&#8217;t he organized around them?</p>
<p>I have managed phone banks and if the candidate can produce excitement, we can obtain the volunteers.  </p>
<p>The wealthy Left have changed the game.  That is Drew&#8217;s main point.  We must respond to that challenge as they are proving successful.  It is not enough to depend on volunteers and we need to organize at a different level &#8211; that is evident except to the bureaucrats in our state party who are stuck in their old paradigm.   We need leadership and it is lacking at the state level.  </p>
<p>Gene Kasper</p>
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		<title>By: Stonewall Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stonewall Jackson</dc:creator>
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		<description>I was listening to the Final Word, starting at 3 p.m.  MB was on with Mitch Berg and Drew Emmer.  I had to turn it off at 3:30 because I could not stand MB&#039;s ranting on this subject.

Case in point:  He goes on an on attacking Berg and Emmer for what they wrote in their blogs.  When Emmer first starts to explain his side of the story, MB interrupts him and moves the goal posts by now complaining about something that Berg and Emmer said at 1:30.

Sheesh!  MB is a wack-job (on this subject).

One &quot;Final Word&quot; on MB&#039;s complaint on the radio today that Emmer was not factually correct when he (Emmer) blogged that there was no great call to arms by the GOP for this race.  Namely, MB has been the &quot;King&quot; (Banian or otherwise) of factual mistakes when it comes to his reporting this race.  First, he says that the DFL has conceded the race.  Next, he says that no one is running radio ads for the DFL candidate.  Third, he says that he is getting nothing but good vibes in his door knocking.   

Sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was listening to the Final Word, starting at 3 p.m.  MB was on with Mitch Berg and Drew Emmer.  I had to turn it off at 3:30 because I could not stand MB&#8217;s ranting on this subject.</p>
<p>Case in point:  He goes on an on attacking Berg and Emmer for what they wrote in their blogs.  When Emmer first starts to explain his side of the story, MB interrupts him and moves the goal posts by now complaining about something that Berg and Emmer said at 1:30.</p>
<p>Sheesh!  MB is a wack-job (on this subject).</p>
<p>One &#8220;Final Word&#8221; on MB&#8217;s complaint on the radio today that Emmer was not factually correct when he (Emmer) blogged that there was no great call to arms by the GOP for this race.  Namely, MB has been the &#8220;King&#8221; (Banian or otherwise) of factual mistakes when it comes to his reporting this race.  First, he says that the DFL has conceded the race.  Next, he says that no one is running radio ads for the DFL candidate.  Third, he says that he is getting nothing but good vibes in his door knocking.   </p>
<p>Sheesh!</p>
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		<title>By: loris</title>
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		<description>Drazkowski&#039;s organization and ground game is incredible.  It&#039;s a model everyone else would be good to follow.</description>
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		<title>By: Right is RIGHT</title>
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		<description>Hahaha, HCDFL really has that &quot;tell everybody how horrible everything is&quot; down, I wonder if the DFL has classes for that part of their game plan I mentioned in post #42? Wait a second, I&#039;m sure they teach it at the Paul Wellstone school of socialism. But anyways, thanks for proving my point in post 49 HCDFL. I seriously wonder how you people get out of bed in the morning. The sky must surely be falling in your foggy world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha, HCDFL really has that &#8220;tell everybody how horrible everything is&#8221; down, I wonder if the DFL has classes for that part of their game plan I mentioned in post #42? Wait a second, I&#8217;m sure they teach it at the Paul Wellstone school of socialism. But anyways, thanks for proving my point in post 49 HCDFL. I seriously wonder how you people get out of bed in the morning. The sky must surely be falling in your foggy world.</p>
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		<title>By: purpleblogdog</title>
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		<description>I hope itâ€™s ok if I bring up some math.

http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20080103/Cross_PLD.asp?M=LG&amp;LD=25

http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20070807/Cross_PLD.asp?M=LG&amp;LD=28B


Voter turn out was 32% in the Drazkowski special. That was a great victory two weeks after the bridge went down in an environment that is arguably quite worse than today.  
Drazkowski had a big team on the ground and a dedicated support plan from the caucus and the CD2 folks.

Turn out in the Cox race was 24%.  I bet you are going to think I am going to say â€œCox lost because he was not as conservative as Drazkowski.â€  Nope. 

 It stuns me that the some activists here would like to blame Cox for not doing their work.  

It is convenient to say that candidates lost because they were not conservative enough.  
Thatâ€™s what the know-it-alls said after the 06 elections.  Tell that to Reps. Klinzing, Wilkin and Krinkie; three of the best and most conservative house members who lost in 06.  

Bachmann good, Cox bad?
Rep. Bachmann does a great job representing the party in DC.  As much as I would like to say that those great votes translate automatically into votes for her on election day, they donâ€™t.  She lost most of the area she previously represented in the MN Senate (Woodbury&amp; Stillwater) in 2006.   It is important to note that she did not overperform the index of that district to anywhere near the number that Cox overperformed the index of his district in 2006.  So to simply claim that Rep. Bachmann won because she is very
conservative, and Cox lost because he is liberal is a head-in-the sand copout.

If we donâ€™t get off our asses and vote and give a good reason to others to do the same, November of 2006 will be known as the good old days and we will experience the generation-long minority status that we could not deliver to the Democrats.   

Drew Emmer does a great job of holding Republicanâ€™s feet to the fire, and if we all had a little fraction of his passion we would better for it.  However, as much as we all may wish it to be so Wright County is not Minnesota.  Cox would have been a great senator who could hold that seat and deliver for even the most stalwart conservative 95% of the time, especially as the override preventing vote.  Now we have a lifer union hack who will put their interests ahead of the folks in Northfield.  

We let Ray Cox down and the folks of SD 25 are going to suffer for it.</description>
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<p><a href="http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20080103/Cross_PLD.asp?M=LG&amp;LD=25" rel="nofollow">http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20080103/Cross_PLD.asp?M=LG&amp;LD=25</a></p>
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<p>Voter turn out was 32% in the Drazkowski special. That was a great victory two weeks after the bridge went down in an environment that is arguably quite worse than today.<br />
Drazkowski had a big team on the ground and a dedicated support plan from the caucus and the CD2 folks.</p>
<p>Turn out in the Cox race was 24%.  I bet you are going to think I am going to say â€œCox lost because he was not as conservative as Drazkowski.â€  Nope. </p>
<p> It stuns me that the some activists here would like to blame Cox for not doing their work.  </p>
<p>It is convenient to say that candidates lost because they were not conservative enough.<br />
Thatâ€™s what the know-it-alls said after the 06 elections.  Tell that to Reps. Klinzing, Wilkin and Krinkie; three of the best and most conservative house members who lost in 06.  </p>
<p>Bachmann good, Cox bad?<br />
Rep. Bachmann does a great job representing the party in DC.  As much as I would like to say that those great votes translate automatically into votes for her on election day, they donâ€™t.  She lost most of the area she previously represented in the MN Senate (Woodbury&amp; Stillwater) in 2006.   It is important to note that she did not overperform the index of that district to anywhere near the number that Cox overperformed the index of his district in 2006.  So to simply claim that Rep. Bachmann won because she is very<br />
conservative, and Cox lost because he is liberal is a head-in-the sand copout.</p>
<p>If we donâ€™t get off our asses and vote and give a good reason to others to do the same, November of 2006 will be known as the good old days and we will experience the generation-long minority status that we could not deliver to the Democrats.   </p>
<p>Drew Emmer does a great job of holding Republicanâ€™s feet to the fire, and if we all had a little fraction of his passion we would better for it.  However, as much as we all may wish it to be so Wright County is not Minnesota.  Cox would have been a great senator who could hold that seat and deliver for even the most stalwart conservative 95% of the time, especially as the override preventing vote.  Now we have a lifer union hack who will put their interests ahead of the folks in Northfield.  </p>
<p>We let Ray Cox down and the folks of SD 25 are going to suffer for it.</p>
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		<description>HCDFL:

   Your post here shows the problem with the DFL thinking.

   Lets talk about education first.  The problem with education isn&#039;t that we&#039;re not committing the money, but how it&#039;s being spent.  This was my actual encounter with a Minneapolis School Board member a few years ago when a member of the school board was asking groups to support a tax levy to maintain 16 students per class room.

   Question by me: is the average amount of money were spending on a student $10,000 per year

   School board member puzzled looks at aide who came with them.  The aide nods yes.

   Question by me: at the moment the average salary of a teacher with benefits is what $50,000.

    School board member with another puzzled looks at the aide.  More like $60,000 the aide says.

    Question by me: so we&#039;re spending $60,000 on the teacher in the class why do we need to increase taxes to maintain 16 students per class room when you have $100,000 that are being used on administration and waste that can be used 
to maintain the sixteen student class room.

    The school board member who didn&#039;t understand the concept I showed with just three questions proceeds to claim that there is no waste and that the money was badly needed.

    I was arguing with you that to increase education performance lets spend the money better. We had in this $100,000 being spent on adminstration and just $60,000 on the teacher teaching the kids.  Can&#039;t we decrease that $100,000 from adminstration to maybe hire a teaching aide or maybe a couple of more teachers?
Wouldn&#039;t that increase the performance of the kids which HCDFL I assume that is who you really care about!

    You also say people should be awarded.  Students are tested every year.  If over a three year period we have two teachers one whose class every year that gets scores going up every year for their classes and the other doesn&#039;t have scores going up or going down shouldn&#039;t the pay reward the teacher who is getting their students to learn and maybe by not giving an automatic cost of living to the teacher whose scores aren&#039;t going up or maybe going down.  TNT had a movie based on a true story where a teacher wanting a challenge moved to New York and asked for the class that had the trouble makers and the perceived dumber students.  He took that class and before the year was over his class had out performed the class that was suppose to have the smarter students in the same grade level.  That teacher I want to be rewarded!  The current system won&#039;t do that.

   Health Care you think is bad, but how did it get there?  Because a long time ago before World War Two everybody was paying their own doctor,their own hospital bills etc.  People expected to pay their bills.  Part of the way businesses gave wage increases to their workers when the government had imposed wage price controls because of world war II was creating health care paid by the employer.  This led to the third party system.  Part of the problem we have today people don&#039;t put control of costs because they aren&#039;t writing the checks.  A good example of this is when Lasix surgery was first created the costs have been high.  Since then doctor have worked on the techniques and the costs have come down!  President Bush has a great proposal where the person gets the tax credit for paying for the health insurance because if people forced to pay for the health insurance spend less than the tax credit they make money for saving health costs (and in theory the employer will increase the employers wages to pay for the health care they aren&#039;t paying).

   To complicate this problem the government increased the costs of the insurance by saying that HC DFL needs insurance which has hair transplant coverage, mental health coverage.  It&#039;s been shown that if you removed some of the mandates you create much lower policy costs.

   Another problem with health care is how the fear of lawsuits plays a role.  Doctors order extra tests.  Doctors in some cases have protected themselves by either not doing practices which can get them sued or moving to states where the malpractice laws protect doctors better.  One of the reason people in some areas have trouble getting a doctor is because of malpractice laws (heard of John Edwards?) 

   A third problem with health care is that people want to cap costs by attacking the drug companies (and for the record in the 1990&#039;s I made about a thousand dollars by buying shares in a drug company battered by Hillary&#039;s health care proposal before the price recoved when the health care proposal died).  They point out the magic drug costs just $3 in Canada but $10 in the United States.  The reason why the drug is available in Canada is because they can sell it for $10 in the US.  Putting caps will discourage the making of new drugs.  

 I just quoted two reforms and a non reform which if implemented will do more to improve health care and lower the costs without taking over the system or spending new money.

 HCDFL it seems like your policy is if a business is evil (drugs, oil, etc.) they are to be attacked as evil.  Keep in mind part of the problem is the rules they have to live with.  Oil is trading around $100 per barrell.  Why?  Years ago Bush tried to open ANWAR to drilling even though it needed only a few of the millions of acres to do the job and offshore like in the Gulf of Mexico where Mexico and Cuba drill with no problems.  The cries we&#039;re awarding the oil companies.  We have to preserve the environment.  Oil is at $100 per barrell because the millions of barrells that could be produced today are still not being taken.  And the price of gasoline isn&#039;t as bad as last summer.  How could that be?  Because in the summer gasoline has to have special formulas which add to the cost of gasoline.  So even though the price of oil is higher today than last summer the price of gas is lower because right now we don&#039;t have to pay for the special formulas.  

  So on education, health care, and energy the people you say you care about will benefit by rational policies offered by the Republican party not the Democrats.  So join us since you claim to care for the poor and middle class.

  Walter Hanson
  Minneapolis, MN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCDFL:</p>
<p>   Your post here shows the problem with the DFL thinking.</p>
<p>   Lets talk about education first.  The problem with education isn&#8217;t that we&#8217;re not committing the money, but how it&#8217;s being spent.  This was my actual encounter with a Minneapolis School Board member a few years ago when a member of the school board was asking groups to support a tax levy to maintain 16 students per class room.</p>
<p>   Question by me: is the average amount of money were spending on a student $10,000 per year</p>
<p>   School board member puzzled looks at aide who came with them.  The aide nods yes.</p>
<p>   Question by me: at the moment the average salary of a teacher with benefits is what $50,000.</p>
<p>    School board member with another puzzled looks at the aide.  More like $60,000 the aide says.</p>
<p>    Question by me: so we&#8217;re spending $60,000 on the teacher in the class why do we need to increase taxes to maintain 16 students per class room when you have $100,000 that are being used on administration and waste that can be used<br />
to maintain the sixteen student class room.</p>
<p>    The school board member who didn&#8217;t understand the concept I showed with just three questions proceeds to claim that there is no waste and that the money was badly needed.</p>
<p>    I was arguing with you that to increase education performance lets spend the money better. We had in this $100,000 being spent on adminstration and just $60,000 on the teacher teaching the kids.  Can&#8217;t we decrease that $100,000 from adminstration to maybe hire a teaching aide or maybe a couple of more teachers?<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t that increase the performance of the kids which HCDFL I assume that is who you really care about!</p>
<p>    You also say people should be awarded.  Students are tested every year.  If over a three year period we have two teachers one whose class every year that gets scores going up every year for their classes and the other doesn&#8217;t have scores going up or going down shouldn&#8217;t the pay reward the teacher who is getting their students to learn and maybe by not giving an automatic cost of living to the teacher whose scores aren&#8217;t going up or maybe going down.  TNT had a movie based on a true story where a teacher wanting a challenge moved to New York and asked for the class that had the trouble makers and the perceived dumber students.  He took that class and before the year was over his class had out performed the class that was suppose to have the smarter students in the same grade level.  That teacher I want to be rewarded!  The current system won&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>   Health Care you think is bad, but how did it get there?  Because a long time ago before World War Two everybody was paying their own doctor,their own hospital bills etc.  People expected to pay their bills.  Part of the way businesses gave wage increases to their workers when the government had imposed wage price controls because of world war II was creating health care paid by the employer.  This led to the third party system.  Part of the problem we have today people don&#8217;t put control of costs because they aren&#8217;t writing the checks.  A good example of this is when Lasix surgery was first created the costs have been high.  Since then doctor have worked on the techniques and the costs have come down!  President Bush has a great proposal where the person gets the tax credit for paying for the health insurance because if people forced to pay for the health insurance spend less than the tax credit they make money for saving health costs (and in theory the employer will increase the employers wages to pay for the health care they aren&#8217;t paying).</p>
<p>   To complicate this problem the government increased the costs of the insurance by saying that HC DFL needs insurance which has hair transplant coverage, mental health coverage.  It&#8217;s been shown that if you removed some of the mandates you create much lower policy costs.</p>
<p>   Another problem with health care is how the fear of lawsuits plays a role.  Doctors order extra tests.  Doctors in some cases have protected themselves by either not doing practices which can get them sued or moving to states where the malpractice laws protect doctors better.  One of the reason people in some areas have trouble getting a doctor is because of malpractice laws (heard of John Edwards?) </p>
<p>   A third problem with health care is that people want to cap costs by attacking the drug companies (and for the record in the 1990&#8217;s I made about a thousand dollars by buying shares in a drug company battered by Hillary&#8217;s health care proposal before the price recoved when the health care proposal died).  They point out the magic drug costs just $3 in Canada but $10 in the United States.  The reason why the drug is available in Canada is because they can sell it for $10 in the US.  Putting caps will discourage the making of new drugs.  </p>
<p> I just quoted two reforms and a non reform which if implemented will do more to improve health care and lower the costs without taking over the system or spending new money.</p>
<p> HCDFL it seems like your policy is if a business is evil (drugs, oil, etc.) they are to be attacked as evil.  Keep in mind part of the problem is the rules they have to live with.  Oil is trading around $100 per barrell.  Why?  Years ago Bush tried to open ANWAR to drilling even though it needed only a few of the millions of acres to do the job and offshore like in the Gulf of Mexico where Mexico and Cuba drill with no problems.  The cries we&#8217;re awarding the oil companies.  We have to preserve the environment.  Oil is at $100 per barrell because the millions of barrells that could be produced today are still not being taken.  And the price of gasoline isn&#8217;t as bad as last summer.  How could that be?  Because in the summer gasoline has to have special formulas which add to the cost of gasoline.  So even though the price of oil is higher today than last summer the price of gas is lower because right now we don&#8217;t have to pay for the special formulas.  </p>
<p>  So on education, health care, and energy the people you say you care about will benefit by rational policies offered by the Republican party not the Democrats.  So join us since you claim to care for the poor and middle class.</p>
<p>  Walter Hanson<br />
  Minneapolis, MN</p>
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		<title>By: DJZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJZ</dc:creator>
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		<description>Drew wrote:
&quot;With Michaelâ€™s usual panache he reiterates my point that I did not actively participate in the SD25 campaign. He then leaves the lingering stink of sloth in the air to defame my character as an active member of our party. Technically, Michael is as almost always â€œspot onâ€ about the fact that I was not involved in SD25. In that narrow frame I am humbled to now be considered an award winning blogger, albeit with the cynical insult that MDE intended. I suspect Teddy might be somewhat plussed that his words were used to denigrate one of our own.&quot;
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I&#039;m happy to see that you now get Brodkorb&#039;s Modus Operandi. 

This is not just you Drew. Its the same steps when he &quot;exposes&quot; Democrats. You know, the 1000 posts that he previously printed you were cheering him on and lending support and testimony too?
You are now in the great company of Entenza, Hatch, Ritchie, Pfielsticker, Dietrich and many other Democrats who have been &#039;exposed&#039; on here.

Drew Emmer, your phony, part-time, Republicanism, has been Exposed.  

One day you guys will see that we&#039;re at a point where you have to get the numbers THEN work out the agenda. Cox or whomever would have been in the minority with the only job of preventing the DFL from a veto over-riding super majority. Now, Pawlenty will have to negotiate and capitulate even more. You shot yourselves in your own foot with your purity test.

Thank You.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew wrote:<br />
&#8220;With Michaelâ€™s usual panache he reiterates my point that I did not actively participate in the SD25 campaign. He then leaves the lingering stink of sloth in the air to defame my character as an active member of our party. Technically, Michael is as almost always â€œspot onâ€ about the fact that I was not involved in SD25. In that narrow frame I am humbled to now be considered an award winning blogger, albeit with the cynical insult that MDE intended. I suspect Teddy might be somewhat plussed that his words were used to denigrate one of our own.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to see that you now get Brodkorb&#8217;s Modus Operandi. </p>
<p>This is not just you Drew. Its the same steps when he &#8220;exposes&#8221; Democrats. You know, the 1000 posts that he previously printed you were cheering him on and lending support and testimony too?<br />
You are now in the great company of Entenza, Hatch, Ritchie, Pfielsticker, Dietrich and many other Democrats who have been &#8216;exposed&#8217; on here.</p>
<p>Drew Emmer, your phony, part-time, Republicanism, has been Exposed.  </p>
<p>One day you guys will see that we&#8217;re at a point where you have to get the numbers THEN work out the agenda. Cox or whomever would have been in the minority with the only job of preventing the DFL from a veto over-riding super majority. Now, Pawlenty will have to negotiate and capitulate even more. You shot yourselves in your own foot with your purity test.</p>
<p>Thank You.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mberg:  
These are the facts about the endorsement. Seven days before the endorsement convention held on Dec. 5th I got a phone call from a conservative friend that there was an open seat in SD25. 

Since I am BPOU chairwoman for one of the 4 counties in this district this friend asked if I knew anyone who would be a good candidate (I was not notified by the state party until they contacted me for my Sibley County delegate lists 6 days before the convention).  This friend told me that Ray Cox had already formed a committee and had announced his plan to run.  I found this odd since it had just been announced on the radio the night before that Tom Neuville had been appointed to a judicial seat.  Cox obviously had already been notified well in advance that this was to happen.  It appeared he was the &quot;annointed&quot; candidate, for what ever reason.  Maybe it was his name recognition or location (since he lives in Northfield), but at any rate there was not any real delegate input nor was there much time for anyone else to challenge him.  

With the urging of a few conservative friends and leaders in the party, my husband Glenn Gruenhagen, decided to consider challenging Ray.  We spent a couple of days researching his voting record and the more we studied it the more concerned we became.  Ray has a career record with the LEA of about 33%, Taxpayers League at 26%, Minnesota Family Council at 50%.  He clearly does not support many important planks in the Republican platform and Glenn felt compelled to hold him accountable by challenging him.  

The day before the endorsement we officially decided to go for it.  We knew we were at a disadvantage because we live in the least populated North West portion of the district but also knew we could not allow Ray to go unchallenged.  This did not give us much time to contact delegates and in addition, the delegate lists that I got from the state party did not include phone numbers for the delegates.  

In the end Glenn got 15 of the 47 delegate votes and we felt it was worth it to raise our concerns and give the delegates a choice.  

Keep in mind that this all took place over the busy holidays and we run our own business. It was difficult to find time or energy to help out with the Cox campaign.  It is even more difficult to do so when you feel less-than-excited about the candidate.  I have tried to express this to Chairman Carey and other party leaders in the past.  We need good platform candidates to run in order to really energize volunteers to work.  Nevertheless, Glenn and I made lots of phone calls and put up signs for Ray (for both the primary and the election).  I also went door to door on the day of the election trying to get folks to the polls.  

All in all, I agree with Drew; we were outflanked and outsmarted and we need to learn our lessons or we will continue to be in the minority.  We also need to run real platform Republicans and hold our legislators accountable.  This idea that a candidate needs to &quot;fit the district&quot; is hogwash.  Real leaders stand on principle. They are persuasive and know how to bring others on board by educating them in the principloes that made our nation great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mberg:<br />
These are the facts about the endorsement. Seven days before the endorsement convention held on Dec. 5th I got a phone call from a conservative friend that there was an open seat in SD25. </p>
<p>Since I am BPOU chairwoman for one of the 4 counties in this district this friend asked if I knew anyone who would be a good candidate (I was not notified by the state party until they contacted me for my Sibley County delegate lists 6 days before the convention).  This friend told me that Ray Cox had already formed a committee and had announced his plan to run.  I found this odd since it had just been announced on the radio the night before that Tom Neuville had been appointed to a judicial seat.  Cox obviously had already been notified well in advance that this was to happen.  It appeared he was the &#8220;annointed&#8221; candidate, for what ever reason.  Maybe it was his name recognition or location (since he lives in Northfield), but at any rate there was not any real delegate input nor was there much time for anyone else to challenge him.  </p>
<p>With the urging of a few conservative friends and leaders in the party, my husband Glenn Gruenhagen, decided to consider challenging Ray.  We spent a couple of days researching his voting record and the more we studied it the more concerned we became.  Ray has a career record with the LEA of about 33%, Taxpayers League at 26%, Minnesota Family Council at 50%.  He clearly does not support many important planks in the Republican platform and Glenn felt compelled to hold him accountable by challenging him.  </p>
<p>The day before the endorsement we officially decided to go for it.  We knew we were at a disadvantage because we live in the least populated North West portion of the district but also knew we could not allow Ray to go unchallenged.  This did not give us much time to contact delegates and in addition, the delegate lists that I got from the state party did not include phone numbers for the delegates.  </p>
<p>In the end Glenn got 15 of the 47 delegate votes and we felt it was worth it to raise our concerns and give the delegates a choice.  </p>
<p>Keep in mind that this all took place over the busy holidays and we run our own business. It was difficult to find time or energy to help out with the Cox campaign.  It is even more difficult to do so when you feel less-than-excited about the candidate.  I have tried to express this to Chairman Carey and other party leaders in the past.  We need good platform candidates to run in order to really energize volunteers to work.  Nevertheless, Glenn and I made lots of phone calls and put up signs for Ray (for both the primary and the election).  I also went door to door on the day of the election trying to get folks to the polls.  </p>
<p>All in all, I agree with Drew; we were outflanked and outsmarted and we need to learn our lessons or we will continue to be in the minority.  We also need to run real platform Republicans and hold our legislators accountable.  This idea that a candidate needs to &#8220;fit the district&#8221; is hogwash.  Real leaders stand on principle. They are persuasive and know how to bring others on board by educating them in the principloes that made our nation great.</p>
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		<title>By: loris</title>
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		<dc:creator>loris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who say they are &quot;willing to stand in the way of anyone with a liberal agenda&quot; but then sit back and allow a liberal to win an election and thereby empowering Larry Pogemiller and the rest of the DFL legislature via a veto-proof Senate, well, they aren&#039;t willing to stand very tall.  

When/if any tax increase get passed and overridden this year, people like that will be as much to blame as anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who say they are &#8220;willing to stand in the way of anyone with a liberal agenda&#8221; but then sit back and allow a liberal to win an election and thereby empowering Larry Pogemiller and the rest of the DFL legislature via a veto-proof Senate, well, they aren&#8217;t willing to stand very tall.  </p>
<p>When/if any tax increase get passed and overridden this year, people like that will be as much to blame as anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Emmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Emmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I waited a day to post a serious response to Michael&#039;s &quot;Man Not In The Arena&quot; post.  I was initially unsure if he was serious.  Now that I know he is serious kindly indulge me a few points of clarification.

My intent in posting &quot;Outsmarted, outflanked and outworked in SD25&quot; on www.wrightrepublican.blogspot.com was not to criticize GOP foot soldiers.  As a perenial GOP foot soldier I appreciate any effort that anyone puts out for the GOP cause.  If any foot soldiers were offended by my comments I sincerely apologize.  That includes Michael.

The real intent of my post was to express my opinion that the grassroots mechanism exercised by the left appears to be superior to the grassroots mechanism exercised on the right.  It appears to me that the left has worked hard over a lengthy period (of more or less republican dominance) to develop extensive voter ID, issue ID, list management, volunteer recruitment and community building.  I have deep concern that the left is doing what appears to be an excellent job of identifying, educating, motivating, cultivating, validating, recognizing, and equipping their troops to succeed.  That&#039;s the long and short of my post.

And to digress slightly, I&#039;m not talking about the DFL when I refer to the left.  I don&#039;t think their cause is so much a result of DFL party proficiency as it is possibly the effectiveness of third party entities doing the work for them (i.e. MoveOn, Emily&#039;s List, 2020, ...etc.)

Ok back to Michael&#039;s robust criticism of me:

I was intrigued that a site dedicated to exposing democrats became the platform for Michael to attack me personally.  That&#039;s not been my experience with Michael in the past.  We have occasionally disagreed.  But to this point he has always graciously opted for a phone call to set me straight.  Why he chose to marginalize me personally on his blog while certainly his prerogative is nonetheless surprising.

I did not attack anyone personally in my post.  No where did I say anything unkind or disrespectful about Ray Cox.  My post was for the most part about the performance of the left.  Frankly, I was flabbergasted when I read that Ray had lost.  I had no idea.  I do not recall any polling about that seat.  I am as disappointed as anyone that we lost the seat.  Had I known I would have done something to help, although with two full-time jobs I doubt it would have been anything beyond GOTV phoning.

With Michael&#039;s usual panache he reiterates my point that I did not actively participate in the SD25 campaign. He then leaves the lingering stink of sloth in the air to defame my character as an active member of our party.  Technically, Michael is as almost always &quot;spot on&quot; about the fact that I was not involved in SD25.  In that narrow frame I am humbled to now be considered an award winning blogger, albeit with the cynical insult that MDE intended.  I suspect Teddy might be somewhat plussed that his words were used to denigrate one of our own. 

Folks who know me personally know both the principles I try to live by and my commitment to contributing to our cause.  Michael was careful not to criticize me in that frame although he is welcome to do so publicly or privately if he thinks it could help us keep from getting our asses handed to us again in November.

I&#039;ll be on NARN today with my fellow &quot;award-winning&quot; blogger Mitch Berg at 1:30 or thereabouts.  At Michael&#039;s request I will hang around to receive whatever it is that he is so motivated to bestow upon me.

I am hopeful that this experience causes all of us to raise our sights about the job ahead of us for 2008.  My experience is that when we talk about how much progress we are going to make we typically find our selves disappointed (2004, 2006, last Thursday).  

We are engaged in a grassroots battle with a new level of leftist campaign sophistication.  While our ideas are a key ingredient to our prospects for success, there is no excuse for failing to evolve our process to try and meet the abilities of our foe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I waited a day to post a serious response to Michael&#8217;s &#8220;Man Not In The Arena&#8221; post.  I was initially unsure if he was serious.  Now that I know he is serious kindly indulge me a few points of clarification.</p>
<p>My intent in posting &#8220;Outsmarted, outflanked and outworked in SD25&#8243; on <a href="http://www.wrightrepublican.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wrightrepublican.blogspot.com</a> was not to criticize GOP foot soldiers.  As a perenial GOP foot soldier I appreciate any effort that anyone puts out for the GOP cause.  If any foot soldiers were offended by my comments I sincerely apologize.  That includes Michael.</p>
<p>The real intent of my post was to express my opinion that the grassroots mechanism exercised by the left appears to be superior to the grassroots mechanism exercised on the right.  It appears to me that the left has worked hard over a lengthy period (of more or less republican dominance) to develop extensive voter ID, issue ID, list management, volunteer recruitment and community building.  I have deep concern that the left is doing what appears to be an excellent job of identifying, educating, motivating, cultivating, validating, recognizing, and equipping their troops to succeed.  That&#8217;s the long and short of my post.</p>
<p>And to digress slightly, I&#8217;m not talking about the DFL when I refer to the left.  I don&#8217;t think their cause is so much a result of DFL party proficiency as it is possibly the effectiveness of third party entities doing the work for them (i.e. MoveOn, Emily&#8217;s List, 2020, &#8230;etc.)</p>
<p>Ok back to Michael&#8217;s robust criticism of me:</p>
<p>I was intrigued that a site dedicated to exposing democrats became the platform for Michael to attack me personally.  That&#8217;s not been my experience with Michael in the past.  We have occasionally disagreed.  But to this point he has always graciously opted for a phone call to set me straight.  Why he chose to marginalize me personally on his blog while certainly his prerogative is nonetheless surprising.</p>
<p>I did not attack anyone personally in my post.  No where did I say anything unkind or disrespectful about Ray Cox.  My post was for the most part about the performance of the left.  Frankly, I was flabbergasted when I read that Ray had lost.  I had no idea.  I do not recall any polling about that seat.  I am as disappointed as anyone that we lost the seat.  Had I known I would have done something to help, although with two full-time jobs I doubt it would have been anything beyond GOTV phoning.</p>
<p>With Michael&#8217;s usual panache he reiterates my point that I did not actively participate in the SD25 campaign. He then leaves the lingering stink of sloth in the air to defame my character as an active member of our party.  Technically, Michael is as almost always &#8220;spot on&#8221; about the fact that I was not involved in SD25.  In that narrow frame I am humbled to now be considered an award winning blogger, albeit with the cynical insult that MDE intended.  I suspect Teddy might be somewhat plussed that his words were used to denigrate one of our own. </p>
<p>Folks who know me personally know both the principles I try to live by and my commitment to contributing to our cause.  Michael was careful not to criticize me in that frame although he is welcome to do so publicly or privately if he thinks it could help us keep from getting our asses handed to us again in November.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be on NARN today with my fellow &#8220;award-winning&#8221; blogger Mitch Berg at 1:30 or thereabouts.  At Michael&#8217;s request I will hang around to receive whatever it is that he is so motivated to bestow upon me.</p>
<p>I am hopeful that this experience causes all of us to raise our sights about the job ahead of us for 2008.  My experience is that when we talk about how much progress we are going to make we typically find our selves disappointed (2004, 2006, last Thursday).  </p>
<p>We are engaged in a grassroots battle with a new level of leftist campaign sophistication.  While our ideas are a key ingredient to our prospects for success, there is no excuse for failing to evolve our process to try and meet the abilities of our foe.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhino not RINO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhino not RINO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this critical time, the number one priority for Republicans across the state should be winning seats, even if they are with â€œRINOâ€ Republicans. As a case in point, even the RINOs protected the Transportation veto override last year.

With that being said, I think the debate is over what duty conservative Republicans have to a RINO candidate. As the lesser of two evils, they probably deserve a vote. But do they deserve your cash or your volunteer time? Should you just roll over and give your full support to a candidate that you are not happy with? That is the question. 

BTW, A few years ago, I heard about Ray Cox for the first time. I did a quick google search to find out what Party he represented, and the first thing brought up was his blog. I clicked on the link, and the first thing I saw was a picture of DFL darling Melissa Hortman speaking at one of his recent events. That is pretty much all I needed to know. Tingelstad, Abeler, Earhart, Cox, Hortman. Not much difference at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this critical time, the number one priority for Republicans across the state should be winning seats, even if they are with â€œRINOâ€ Republicans. As a case in point, even the RINOs protected the Transportation veto override last year.</p>
<p>With that being said, I think the debate is over what duty conservative Republicans have to a RINO candidate. As the lesser of two evils, they probably deserve a vote. But do they deserve your cash or your volunteer time? Should you just roll over and give your full support to a candidate that you are not happy with? That is the question. </p>
<p>BTW, A few years ago, I heard about Ray Cox for the first time. I did a quick google search to find out what Party he represented, and the first thing brought up was his blog. I clicked on the link, and the first thing I saw was a picture of DFL darling Melissa Hortman speaking at one of his recent events. That is pretty much all I needed to know. Tingelstad, Abeler, Earhart, Cox, Hortman. Not much difference at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is time to purge the GOp of all of its RINOS..RINOs have no soul, no substance, no true beliefs, we do not need them, let the DFL have their victories, they will not be able to govern, opening the door to true conservatives, not free trade neo cons, SD25 should be a lesson for all the GOP, BTW HCDFL, wha tdoes the GOP have to do wit hhigh gas prices??? NOTHING, it is speculators around the world bidding the price of oil up, you need economics lessons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is time to purge the GOp of all of its RINOS..RINOs have no soul, no substance, no true beliefs, we do not need them, let the DFL have their victories, they will not be able to govern, opening the door to true conservatives, not free trade neo cons, SD25 should be a lesson for all the GOP, BTW HCDFL, wha tdoes the GOP have to do wit hhigh gas prices??? NOTHING, it is speculators around the world bidding the price of oil up, you need economics lessons</p>
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		<title>By: HCDFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCDFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter: 
Your right why should educators be paid for what they contribute back to society, CEO&#039;s, deserve their millions, after all they have created a record number of jobs, created an affordable health care system, keep gas prices low,  NOT. 
You just don&#039;t seem to understand or care that corporations have stayed true to their mantra profits first  and worker benefit from what&#039;s left.
After labor&#039;s share of GDP reached a peak in 2001 ( I know and remember 9/11, and even if I would forget Rudy reminds me with every stump speech), labors share of GDP has fallen 4%  the lowest level since 1966, and corporate profits have increase 4% of GDP, their highest since 1947. 
If you believe that corporations are going to put your welfare and concerns ahead of their profits, back away from the koolaid.
Walter, how have your wages and real income increased in the last seven years? 
In reality, the &quot;average&quot; Minnesotan has little left after, food, housing, gas, and insurance. But HCDFL you say, we still buying things, so the &quot;average Minnesotan must have some extra money, right . 
Sorry Walter, that is incorrect, in reality they are deficit spending (credit cards) just like Bush and the Republicans.
In history when America was at war, Americans were told to sacrifice, conserve our resources  and the jobs that were created paid workers a living wage. (side note this is right before the time when health insurance  became tied to wages)
In Bush&#039;s folly we are told to go about our normal routine, keep spending, don&#039;t question Bush and the Republican&#039;s policy   and to be real safe buy duct tape or the terrorist win..
Corporations, with help from Bush ( in the last six years)and the Republicans(the last 40 years), have gotten all there is to get from this country&#039;s workers
The work force of today compared to the work force of 40 years ago now includes  women who must work, workers that are working two more weeks a year, and workers who are in debt. 
Corporations love workers who are in debt because they are easy to control, they need their job and in most cases need another job, so they don&#039;t rock to the boat (organize).
Every penny the &quot;average&quot; Minnesotan has earned in wage increases  has just keep up with  inflation, so wages since 2001 have been flat.
By the way Walter,  how have Bush&#039;s tax cuts improved your life?
Hey, Minnesota &quot;How has Norm Coleman made your life better?&#039;
That&#039;ll do sheeple, that&#039;ll do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter:<br />
Your right why should educators be paid for what they contribute back to society, CEO&#8217;s, deserve their millions, after all they have created a record number of jobs, created an affordable health care system, keep gas prices low,  NOT.<br />
You just don&#8217;t seem to understand or care that corporations have stayed true to their mantra profits first  and worker benefit from what&#8217;s left.<br />
After labor&#8217;s share of GDP reached a peak in 2001 ( I know and remember 9/11, and even if I would forget Rudy reminds me with every stump speech), labors share of GDP has fallen 4%  the lowest level since 1966, and corporate profits have increase 4% of GDP, their highest since 1947.<br />
If you believe that corporations are going to put your welfare and concerns ahead of their profits, back away from the koolaid.<br />
Walter, how have your wages and real income increased in the last seven years?<br />
In reality, the &#8220;average&#8221; Minnesotan has little left after, food, housing, gas, and insurance. But HCDFL you say, we still buying things, so the &#8220;average Minnesotan must have some extra money, right .<br />
Sorry Walter, that is incorrect, in reality they are deficit spending (credit cards) just like Bush and the Republicans.<br />
In history when America was at war, Americans were told to sacrifice, conserve our resources  and the jobs that were created paid workers a living wage. (side note this is right before the time when health insurance  became tied to wages)<br />
In Bush&#8217;s folly we are told to go about our normal routine, keep spending, don&#8217;t question Bush and the Republican&#8217;s policy   and to be real safe buy duct tape or the terrorist win..<br />
Corporations, with help from Bush ( in the last six years)and the Republicans(the last 40 years), have gotten all there is to get from this country&#8217;s workers<br />
The work force of today compared to the work force of 40 years ago now includes  women who must work, workers that are working two more weeks a year, and workers who are in debt.<br />
Corporations love workers who are in debt because they are easy to control, they need their job and in most cases need another job, so they don&#8217;t rock to the boat (organize).<br />
Every penny the &#8220;average&#8221; Minnesotan has earned in wage increases  has just keep up with  inflation, so wages since 2001 have been flat.<br />
By the way Walter,  how have Bush&#8217;s tax cuts improved your life?<br />
Hey, Minnesota &#8220;How has Norm Coleman made your life better?&#8217;<br />
That&#8217;ll do sheeple, that&#8217;ll do</p>
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		<title>By: Stonewall Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stonewall Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops....

Let me clarify that I&#039;m not a BPOU chair in that district, but in the metro area instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops&#8230;.</p>
<p>Let me clarify that I&#8217;m not a BPOU chair in that district, but in the metro area instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Stonewall Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stonewall Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My starting point, in this debate, is Emmer&#039;s post.

His headline is &quot;Outsmarted, Outflanked, Outfought.&quot;  Let&#039;s take each one seratim.  (That&#039;s one at a time for those of you out in Rio Linda.)

&quot;Outsmarted&quot;: Emmer&#039;s point, as I read it, is that the DFL&#039;s current campaign tactics are &quot;smarter&quot; than the GOP&#039;s.  Prior to the 2006 election, DFLers had bemoaned that the GOP was superior in its get-out-the-vote efforts.  Emmer&#039;s point, as I read it, is that the DFL appeared to learn from that and is now using better, &quot;smarter&quot; campaign tactics.  Can MDE dispute that?  Moreover, even if Emmer had spent every waking minute in Northfield last week, he would have been using the less smart, for lack of a better term, GOP tactics.  Kind of like Polish soldiers on horseback going against German tanks.  Can MDE dispute that? 

&quot;Outflanked&quot;: I&#039;m not sure I get Emmer&#039;s point on this one.  Does he mean that the DFL candidate ran to the right of Cox and picked up votes that Cox should have got?  As for his contention that the conservative base did not come up for Cox, I&#039;ll leave that to the stat wonks out there to analyze that question.  

&quot;Outfought&quot;:  I&#039;m a BPOU chair.  I got a call to help from the state party to help out on that campaign.  I didn&#039;t help out, thinking (wrongly at that) Cox was a sure winner.  In my case, that prove&#039;s Emmer point.            

My ending point is this: Emmer is right for the most part.  Even if he had, as I said, worked night and day for Cox, the results would have been the same.  The DFL, right now, has the better campaign (read &quot;smarter&quot;) tactics.  The question, then, is whether the GOP is going to use our 2002 playbook or audible at the line to meet what the DFL is now coming up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My starting point, in this debate, is Emmer&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>His headline is &#8220;Outsmarted, Outflanked, Outfought.&#8221;  Let&#8217;s take each one seratim.  (That&#8217;s one at a time for those of you out in Rio Linda.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Outsmarted&#8221;: Emmer&#8217;s point, as I read it, is that the DFL&#8217;s current campaign tactics are &#8220;smarter&#8221; than the GOP&#8217;s.  Prior to the 2006 election, DFLers had bemoaned that the GOP was superior in its get-out-the-vote efforts.  Emmer&#8217;s point, as I read it, is that the DFL appeared to learn from that and is now using better, &#8220;smarter&#8221; campaign tactics.  Can MDE dispute that?  Moreover, even if Emmer had spent every waking minute in Northfield last week, he would have been using the less smart, for lack of a better term, GOP tactics.  Kind of like Polish soldiers on horseback going against German tanks.  Can MDE dispute that? </p>
<p>&#8220;Outflanked&#8221;: I&#8217;m not sure I get Emmer&#8217;s point on this one.  Does he mean that the DFL candidate ran to the right of Cox and picked up votes that Cox should have got?  As for his contention that the conservative base did not come up for Cox, I&#8217;ll leave that to the stat wonks out there to analyze that question.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Outfought&#8221;:  I&#8217;m a BPOU chair.  I got a call to help from the state party to help out on that campaign.  I didn&#8217;t help out, thinking (wrongly at that) Cox was a sure winner.  In my case, that prove&#8217;s Emmer point.            </p>
<p>My ending point is this: Emmer is right for the most part.  Even if he had, as I said, worked night and day for Cox, the results would have been the same.  The DFL, right now, has the better campaign (read &#8220;smarter&#8221;) tactics.  The question, then, is whether the GOP is going to use our 2002 playbook or audible at the line to meet what the DFL is now coming up with.</p>
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