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BE AFRAID: DFL LEGISLATIVE LEADERS REFUSE TO RULE OUT TAX INCREASES
By Michael B. Brodkorb | February 29, 2008
This is a video clip of DFL legislative leaders speaking at a press conference about the budget forecast. In the clip, Assistant Senate Majority Leader Tarryl Clark refuses to rule out tax increases. Clark said she wouldn’t answer a “hypothetical question.”
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February 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
I wouldn’t have believe them if they had “ruled out” tax increases. This is the same group of circus clowns who stood in front of the House saying the transportation tax increases would SAVE people money by having less in car repairs.
There is but one constant we can count on when DFL’ers talk: moving lips equals some sort of lie being told.
February 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
They aren’t ruling them out because you know darn well they will be raising them.
February 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I’m not sure I understand how “will you consider further tax increases” is a hypothetical questions.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
But they were quick to promote the hypothetical assertion that their gas and sales tax increses would lower property taxes.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Perhaps as your title indicates you should be even MORE AFRAID:
DFL USA Senate Candidate, Mike Ciresi won a big pile of money ($) for the State of Minnesota, by taking on Big Tobacco, and winning. Do you know who spent that money?
February 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Rightwingnuts are mad, ’cause the DFL won’t drink the Taxpayer League’s koolaide.
Besides – which noted intellectual said this?
“Having said that, all options are on the table.”
February 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
After passing the largest tax increase in Minnesota history, Democrats will be back with more tax increase proposals.
Bank on it.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Seems like a simple question, should have a simple answer. Maybe it wasn’t simple enough for her…
February 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I’ve said it before, I find refreshing the new found candor from Democrats about their intention to tax the shit out of Minnesotans. It sure beats the bald faced lies they told to get elected in the first place.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Is it just me, or is Tarryl Clark kind of hot for a communist?
February 29th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Zeebus
It’s just you.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Zeebus,
Definitely just you. But, maybe if she didn’t say anything… oh, did I say that out loud? Sorry…
February 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Oboy! you know what is coming next -Free Cheese!!!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I thought they just spent the last month telling us that Governor Tim Pawlenty was irrelevant. Now, after they squandered the multi-billion dollar surplus last year it’s his job to bail us out?
February 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
It always the Republicans job to clean up the Democrats messes. It’s kind of like blowing all your money on candy then going to daddy to get money for what you really need. Maybe someday when the Democrats grow up they can be Republicans too.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
The DFL is toast in the elections this year: the biggest tax increase in history will be etched in the mind of voters. They are going to do more, just wait.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Is it just me, or is Tarryl Clark kind of hot for a communist?
By “hot” do you mean sweaty? I think she’s homely, “Planet of the Apes”-like.
Love how she shirks total DFL responsibility for balancing the budget, the onus is completely put on the Governor. I guess those 134 elected people can just sit back and wait for the Guv to figure it out for them.
February 29th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
They looked almost giddy about their next possible opportunity to raise taxes.
Look in the new bonding bill.
$11 million for a gorilla exhibit.
$0 for any new bridges (except for a bike bridge).
February 29th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Speaking of taxes, GAS BUDDY’s map shows that only three state pay less for gas than Minnesota, in fact we pay $.13 less than the national average.
With the cost of the tax, we will still be paying $.5 less than the national average and we will have paid for the needed infrastructure improvements.
Yes, the Governor should be the one to fix the mess his policies have caused.
We know he will veto any kind of tax increase, so he needs to be a leader and find a way to balance the budget.
The question is how deep will the cuts be, what will be cut and who will be affected.
Does Minnesota need to get a second job?
That’ll do Sheeple, that’ll do
February 29th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
HCDFL, WRONG AGAIN. And guess what, I didn’t have to go check the gasbuddy website, I am member there. That is 3 cents less, not 13 cents less. With the tax, we’ll be paying more. But rest assured, this is temporary. Things fluctuate there all the time.
So now the question is, did you just misread, or are you fibbing. I have a feeling it’s the later.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
what will be cut and who will be affected.
what: the new gorilla exhibit at the Como zoo
who will be effected: gorillas
There’s $11 million.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Speaking of taxes, GAS BUDDY’s map shows that only three state pay less for gas than Minnesota, in fact we pay $.13 less than the national average.
You say that as though it’s a bad thing. Maybe you’re right, maybe Minnesota should fuck it’s citizens over as much as other states do.
The question is how deep will the cuts be, what will be cut and who will be affected.
Frankly, who cares, so long as there are cuts. This state spends way to goddam much money on bullshit. Start with yanking the funding from the Twins Stadium, then take the money back for the Guthrie and the Walker. After that, void the contract with all state workers, and make state workers pay their fair share in their own health insurance and retirement benefits. Next, end SCHIP payments to adults (nearly all of Minnesota’s SCHIP funds go to adults). Next, eliminate all catering expenses from every government agency, department and office — they can make their own sandwiches. Next, cut legislator’s per diem in half, and eliminate all housing and mileage expenses for legislator’s living within 45 miles of the Capitol. Next, divert every cent used to pay for bike paths, “green ways” and other non-roads projects and re-dedicate them to ROADS. Follow that up with a 5 year state hiring freeze.
Just a few suggestions.
February 29th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
We have the 7th lowest gas price in the country
Wyoming is the lowest at $2.95/gal
California is the highest (Alaska and Hawaii are both higher) of the lower 48 at $3.46/gal
The national average is $3.16
Minnesotans pay on average $3.03
The tax increase is $.08
take you shoes off and do the math
$3.16-$3.03 = $.13 – $.08 =$.05
So now the question is did you fail math or are you fibbing
I think your just not very good at math
That’ll do Sheeple, that’ll do
February 29th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
HCDFL, why just pick one tax? We have so many to choose from! You have to look at the entire tax picture. Hell, tax gas a dollar a gallon or more but get ride of the income tax or sales tax or something man. Geez, figure it out man – we have way to many taxes. Got a question for you, whats this thing you have for sheep? Hey, your not like that guy from Wisconsin with the dead deer are you – on my God.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Speaking of tax increases…..has anyone else seen the Dems “Free” health care bill?????
Of course they are going to raise taxes…that is all they know how to do? That and spend other peoples money as if it grew on trees.
LL
February 29th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
[...] While Governor Pawlenty rules out tax increases to solve the budget deficit, DFL legislative leaders refuse to rule out tax increases. [...]
February 29th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Wisconsin has a higher gas tax than we do. They have worse roads than we do. Higher taxes don’t mean better results. I know it’s hard for libs to understand. But really, open your eyes. Property taxes won’t decrease. They will still go up unless they are capped. We will still experience gridlock, potholes and horrific accidents. That would happen if we had 3X the highest gas tax rate in the Nation. And HCDFL continues to use that lame Sheeple line…
HCDFL, is it true that you had a rough caucus the other day after the transportation bill went through and the forcast came out and several of your first termers finally figured out what happened? Did one actually ask if there was a way to undo the bill? Just curious. Was Otremba’s gavel really held hostage? Was Marge really threatening to roast marshmellows on it?
My guess is that the libs will try to ram through every bad bill they can from here until the final gavel. They won’t have this kind of chance again because they are going to lose seats. Only problem is that they won’t find an override in the House as easily available now. All the cards have been played. Transportation was a low hanging fruit. Angles were available to play. Like buying minority members off. Other tax jacks would be much more difficult to pull off.
March 1st, 2008 at 12:50 am
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March 1st, 2008 at 3:56 am
Actually HCDFL, I have a degree in mathematics. What you are quoting is the RED STAR article (which they did edit by the way), in the first post on this, not the gas buddies map, which is this:
http://www.twincitiesgasprices.com/Price_By_County.aspx?state=MN&c=usa
Which by the way, doesn’t give exact prices either. For that, you’d have to go to this page (Which isn’t the map like you said either):
http://www.twincitiesgasprices.com/Prices_nationally.aspx
And as I said, the gas prices are very fluid. I’ve posting prices on gasbuddies for years. Next week, it could look very different. Gas prices in Minnesota are very volatile because we have on large entity here loves to do a gouge, and spike the prices up by 20 or 30 cents every other week.
By the way, the coasts and Hawaii are almost always higher priced. But come warmer weather, when MN switches to the summer blend, our prices will be higher comparatively. Not to mention, we haven’t had a gouge here lately, and we usually get one of those ever other week, so look for the gouge, probably this week, and most likely on Tuesday or Thursday. And by the way, SA will usually be the leader that gouge.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:33 am
Does Minnesota need to get a second job?
March 1st, 2008 at 7:20 am
Does Minnesota need to get a second job?
Nope, they need to cancel the premium channels on their cable account.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:41 am
HCDFL Says:
February 29th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
“Speaking of taxes, GAS BUDDY’s map shows that only three state pay less for gas than Minnesota, in fact we pay $.13 less than the national average.
With the cost of the tax, we will still be paying $.5 less than the national average and we will have paid for the needed infrastructure improvements”.
Great now on top of one of the highest income tax and coperate tax we also have the highest in gas taxes. Amazing what makes a liberal proud.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:29 am
But look at the quality of life in those states with the lowest taxes. If you want to just be mediocre or an embarrassment, move to Texas. I’d rather keep Minnesota great and if that means paying for it, I’m okay with that.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am
Free train rides. Free health care. Free school. Free lunch with free guvmint cheese!
When the Big Liberal takes control, we all gonna live off da fat of da lan’ and ride dem free rails all da day long!
We used to woik at Ford an’ 3M an’ Honeywell an’ Fisher Nut Co. an’ da breweries, but dem days is gone.
Da Big L can’t tax wat we aint got, da time comin’ gonna be HoboTime all da time an’ evera thing gonna be free…
March 1st, 2008 at 10:48 am
Me an’ Andrew gonna hop a free train ride down to Texas to tell dem mediocre rednecks about da good life in Minnesota. Gonna pass out some free cheese.
All dem rednecks gonna hop da free train back up here and we all gonna get a free rectal exam from da Big L at da free health care club to see if dere’s any cash up dere blocking things up.
March 1st, 2008 at 11:05 am
“But look at the quality of life in those states with the lowest taxes.”
Yep, the quality of life in states with lower taxes is superior to the quality of life in Minnesota. They have less crime, better roads, fewer freeloaders, and better natural resources.
Hell, you want to compare quality of life, look to states with higher taxes… California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, etc… their quality of life sucks, their roads suck, their education sucks, their healthcare sucks, everything in those smelly, socialist states suck.
Makes me wonder why we’re wasting billions on the socialist state the DFL wants to create.
It’s time to take a stand against the stupidity of the Left in Minnesota.
March 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
My lost sheep HCDFL needs to be rounded up.’
HCDFL:
* Even if we assume your data is accurate you don’t raise taxes in the middle of a recession. You’re hurting the people who can least afford it to begin with.
* Minnesota has lower gas prices than most of the nations just because most of it is supplied by Canada. The transportation costs are lower. so just because that part is cheaper we shouldn’t automatically pay more.
* since it’s so cheap I’m sure that you’ll be happy for the people who you’re telling this is no big deal.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
March 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Walter, trust me, come warmer weather, Minnesota’s gas prices will be among the highest.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm
HoneyDog:
The reason why even though oil prices are at record highs is because we don’t have to have the extra expense of formulating fuels with cleaner air addictives. Not to mention demand will go up just because it’s warm. My point to HCDFL is he seems to think because the price of gas is cheaper in Minnesota compared with other states it automatic we should increase the tax and make it higher.
You know if I was reporter at that press conference my followup would’ve been, “Okay so what’s your plan to balance the budget without a tax increase” When Clark is shocked I’ll say you just ruled out a tax increase by saying it’s hypothetical so it must be coming from spending cuts.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
March 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Precisely Walter. Prices will go up with the warm weather formulation. And of course demand goes up, that goes without saying. So we’re on the same page.
March 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Zeebus and Newton,
Yes, I agree with you (in comments 10 and 11) that Clark looks hot.
But then, maybe that Clark looks hot in comparison to Large Marge (standing behind her and blocking out the sun) and the unshaved underarm types that make up the DFL women (or does the DFL spell it “womyn”) caucus.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
They have French women in the DFL caucus?
March 2nd, 2008 at 7:24 am
Walter;
My point is that we still have cheaper prices than most of the country and we will have paid for much needed road work.
The Governor could have used his line item veto on any part of the transportation bill, like the Como Zoo gorilla project, but he didn’t.
The Governors policies have allowed Minnesota’s economy, which usually out performs the national average, to fall behind that average every year since 2003.
Minnesota has an income problem, not a spending problem.
Income tax revenue , sales tax revenue , motor vehicle tax revenue, and corporate tax revenues are all down from their projected amounts.
Since 2002 the Governor has run Minnesota on the cheap and this has cost Minnesota more than an eight cent gas tax.
Does Minnesota need a second job?
I guess your lucky that Lt. Carol represent the typical MNGOP “womyn”
That’ll do Sheeple that’ll do
March 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 am
HCDFL, if the governor uses the line-item veto to veto 75 percent of that shit-loaded bill, why not just veto the whole damn thing?
Minnesota has a MASSIVE spending problem, not an income problem. And if you think the state economy is bad now, wait ’till your DFL idiot friends get done with it.
If you knew 25 percent what you think you do, that would be a massive improvement.
March 2nd, 2008 at 10:07 am
And I would still know 24% more than the typical Minnesota conservative.
That’ll do Sheeple, that’ll do
March 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 am
ROFLMAO, you don’t know jack HCDFL. Otherwise you wouldn’t have brought up your lame agrument about gas prices.
By the way, would you care to explain why MN’s budge is 35 BILLION more than WI’s budget when they have more people and have just as good, if not better services? Gee, could it be the the democrats are wanting to spend too darn much money?
March 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 am
By the way HCDFL, is the song “You’re so vain” about you?
March 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Hey – this is a golden opportunity for the DFL to shift some more wealth. Why would they pass it up??
March 2nd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
like the Como Zoo gorilla project,
HCDFL, this shows your ignorance. The gorilla project is in the current Senate DFL’s bill. It hasn’t been passed by the Senate yet. Hard to line item veto something that hasn’t been passed yet.
The DFL is playing a shell game with our tax money. They claim that transportation is such a high priority that we have to raise taxes, and then they try to borrow money for non-transportation projects like the gorilla exhibit, and bike paths, and nature centers, and on and on.
All of our spending and bonding has to have the same set of priorities applied to it.
The Governor could have used his line item veto on any part of the transportation bill,
More of your ignorance. The governor can only line item veto appropriations bills. He can’t line item veto tax bills.
You need to tend your sheep more and comment less.
March 2nd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
MoN,
Thank you for setting me straight
Honeydog,
Must be because Wisconsin has a Democratic Governor and Assembly.
That’ll do Sheeple, that’ll do
March 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
HCDFL, your comment doesn’t make sense, which is nothing new for you. Since WI’s governor and assembly are all DFL, their taxes should be higher. LOL, of course, they will be if they actually implement universal care in WI like they planned. LOL, WI would have to more than double all taxes to pay for that and still do what they are doing now.
March 2nd, 2008 at 3:30 pm
MY bad it’s the Senate.
March 2nd, 2008 at 3:33 pm
That still doesn’t explain it HCDFL.
March 2nd, 2008 at 7:54 pm
RE: that woman in the DFL press conference…
I think she’s sincere in her comments. Usually women lacking in any sort of physical attractiveness make up for it with sincerity.
By the way, that guy in the photo seems to be bored. Who is it?
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:45 am
Question: What do all of the cities and states that have the highest levels of poverty, crime and infrastructure failure have in common?
…
Answer: Democrats have been in charge of them for over 45 years.
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:43 am
Link, please
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
HCDFL:
We have a spending problem for starters! Not an income problem!!!!!
Years ago I had a friend who I was trying to help with his fiances. I’ll work out with him what bills were due and gave him cash for the rest. We had a big discussion about Christmas presents and I told him that if he had devoted every available cent he’ll have a certain amount to spend. I let him cash his last paycheck before Christmas so he could have the cash to buy his presents. When I saw him I asked for the rest of the money and he was a couple of hundred dollars short of what I expected to see. “Where’s the rest?” I asked. He went on to explain that there wasn’t enough money with the total I gave him.
Now for your typical DFL lawmaker they don’t think in terms of that $34 billion is a lot of money (Wisconsin for example is a bigger state, but spends less). They think in terms of dreams in every category of spending and don’t priortize.
for example your avarage person won’t:
buy a new house,
buy a new car,
take an expensive trip,
do fully fund IRA contributions each year.
They look at their income and priortize! They give up buying a car for one year. They might build up a bigger down payment to lower their monthly payment. They might not take their trip. Mind you if you’re a DFL lawmaker these are alien concepts! The fact that you don’t want to priortize along with the DFL lawmakers is the problem.
by the way since you think gas prices are so cheap how do we work out with you paying the extra taxes that I, Chestnut, and Mike have to pay just because the DFL won’t sacrifice spending in one pet area instead of increasing taxes.
Come back my lost sheep! See the light!
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
March 4th, 2008 at 6:51 am
I will be using some of the extra money that I have saved because of the Bush tax cuts to pay for the added gas tax.
Why don’t you guys do that too.
That’ll do Sheeple, that’ll do
March 4th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Yeah, but HCDFL since you are saying I and others are wrong in saying that the tax shouldn’t have been incresed then its only fair that the people who think this was a good idea should pay for those people who don’t want to pay.
After all this is the typical DFL way. Do a program and make other people pay. I’m only following in the logical leadership of your party. They were the ones who rejected repriortizing spending to build the roads with the tax increase. Why should I have to pay when they ignored the better solution. Since you want to pay than pay for some people who don’t think this is a good idea.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
March 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
***Why should I have to pay when they ignored the better solution. Since you want to pay than pay for some people who don’t think this is a good idea.***
Hell of a plan, Walter – and you can pick up my family’s tab for Iraq while we’re at it….
March 5th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Tommy:
There is a major difference. National defense is controlled by the Federal government and is an obligation for the President to do. The state government had a “Better” plan proposed by the governor and the minority party. It was totally ignored.
We were forced into Iraq because that was one of the many messes Clinton created which Bush had to clean up. Therefore we’re all paying for Clinton’s messup from 1993-2001. It’s ironic one of Hillary’s best punch lines is it’s a Clinton to cleanup after a Bush. This Bush has been spending the last seven plus years cleaning up after Bill’s mess ups.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN