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MN GOP PRESS RELEASE: “ASHWIN MADIA: WRONG ON IRAN; DFL CANDIDATE SAYS ‘IRAN NOT A THREAT’”
By Michael B. Brodkorb | July 10, 2008
St. Paul – Republican Party of Minnesota Chairman Ron Carey today released the following statement regarding 3rd District DFL-endorsed candidate Ashwin Madia’s position on Iran.
“After the second day in a row of Iran test-firing missiles and boasting that their ‘hands are always on the trigger,’ we face a stark reminder Iran remains a serious threat to U.S. allies and U.S. interests.
Disturbingly, Ashwin Madia appears to disagree with the consensus of so many when he says ‘Iran is not a threat.’ This serious lack of judgment is just one reason he lacks the qualities necessary to serve in the U.S. Congress.â€
Madia: “Iran Is Not A Threat.†“The short answer to the question is no, Iran is not a threat. However, Iran is still a concern. It is true they still do have the capability to enrich Uranium; it’s true they still need more transparency in their nuclear process. It’s true they fund Hamas in Hezbollah. It’s true they are not partners for peace in the Arab/Israeli situation.†(Ashwin Madia, Iraq Forum, December 11, 2007)
Madia: Iran A “Concern†That Can Be Dealt With “Diplomatically.†“On Iran I have been very concerned by some bellicose language that the administration is using and some democrats are using to describe Iran. I think that they are a concern but I think we can deal with them diplomatically. When I think we use their language it puts us on a foot that we don’t want to be on.†(Ashwin Madia, DFL Debate, Brooklyn Park, January 12, 2008)
A Primer On Iran:
For Second Day In A Row, Iran Test-Fired Long-Range Rockets. “Citing broadcasts on state-run Iranian television, the Associated Press reported out of Tehran that the country had continued an ongoing military exercise in the Persian Gulf with another round of missile tests. The tests included the use of more long-range rockets capable of reaching Israel, as well as other devices with what state-controlled media referred to as ‘special capabilities,’ though no further details were provided.†(Glenn Kessler and Howard Schneider, “Iran Launches More Test Missiles, Draws Rebuke From Rice,†Washington Post, July 10, 2008)
Iran Test-Fired A Missile That Can Reach Israel. “Iran test fired a new missile today that can deliver a 1-ton warhead on Israel or U.S. bases in the region, hitting a nerve in the tense Middle East as well as in nervous oil markets. The televised firing of Iran’s new Shahab 3 missile, which Iran says can travel 1,250 miles, was a blatant warning that it can retaliate against Israel and the United States if it is attacked. Israel and Iran have been engaged in an escalating war of words, with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad saying Israel should be wiped off the map and Israel warning that it may have to carry out an airstrike to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear arsenal.†(Jonathan Karl, “Iran Fires Missile, Stokes Global Jitters,†ABC News, July 9, 2008)
Iranian General: “Our Hands Are Always On The Trigger.†“Iran launched nine missiles during war games today near the strategically vital Strait of Hormuz, a waterway that carries 40 percent of the world’s oil supply. One of the missile launches, broadcast on Iranian TV, was a new version of the Shahab 3 missile. ‘Our hands are always on the trigger, and our missiles are ready for launch,’ Gen. Hossein Salami, the Air Force commander of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards, told Iran’s official IRNA news agency today.†(Jonathan Karl, “Iran Fires Missile, Stokes Global Jitters,†ABC News, July 9, 2008)
The State Department’s Recently Released Annual Terrorism Report Says That Iran Is The World’s “Most Active” State Sponsor Of Terrorism. “Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism. Elements of its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) were directly involved in the planning and support of terrorist acts throughout the region and continued to support a variety of groups in their use of terrorism to advance their common regional goals. Iran provides aid to Palesti nian terrorist groups, Lebanese Hizballah, Iraq-based militants, and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.” (“Country Reports On Terrorism,” U.S. Department Of State, Office Of The Coordinator For Counterterrorism, 4/30/08)
Ahmadinejad Referred To Israel As A “Stinking Corpse” And Said It Was “On Its Way To Annihilation.” (Nazila Fathi, “Iran: A Hate Note On Israel’s Birthday,” The New York Times, 5/9/08) “President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a ‘stinking corpse’ that was doomed to fail, and warned countries that they would ‘burn in the fire of their people’s hatred’ if they helped Israel, the news agency IRNA reported.’Today the reason for Zionist regime’s existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation,’ he said in a speech on the 60th anniversary of the Jewish state.”
“Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Said … That Israel Is Dying And That Its 60th Anniversary Celebrations Are An Attempt To Prevent Its ‘Annihilation.’” (Ali Akbar Dareini, “Ahmadinejad Says Israel Doomed,” The Associated Press, 5/14/08)
Ahmadinejad Previously Said Israel Should Be Wiped Off The Map And Denied That The Holocaust Occurred. “Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said in the past he wants to wipe Israel off the map and dismissed the Holocaust as a myth.” (Nick Wadhams, “Israel: No Greater Threat To World’s Values Than The Leaders Of Iran,” The Associated Press, 9/21/06)
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July 10th, 2008 at 1:20 PM
I believe Republicans told us Iraq was a threat as well and we all know what happened there.
Madia uses his words perfectly, Iran is not a threat but is definitely a concern. They are not a threat to our immediate (could possibly be in the future though) national security but they are certainly a concern and a country we need to work towards more positive relations with.
They are a threat to Israel’s national security, however, but not ours and the whole a threat to our allies is a threat to us I believe is what resulted in WW1 and WW2, and this could be WW3. Furthermore, Iran is not stupid enough to attack Israel, they would be blown to bits within days. Ahmadinejad says a lot of things and rarely follows through with any.
And your disclaimer at the bottom makes this post completely irrelevant. You have absolutely ZERO business posting about this race when you are paid for by one of the candidates, regardless if you claim that this blog is completely personal. I believe Sean Broom over at MNPublius told everyone he is now Phylis Kahn’s campaign manager and would thus no longer post about that race (not that needs to post about it) and I have seen several other MN bloggers do the same. This completely kills all credibility you ever had in the first place Michael.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Andrew said:
“This completely kills all credibility you ever had in the first place Michael.”
Andrew seems not to have the cranial horsepower necessary to categorize or compensate for Michael’s obvious and open partisanship, especially concerning the Madia-Paulsen race. If that is true, maybe Andrew has “ZERO business” reading posts at MDE. *shrug*
July 10th, 2008 at 2:03 PM
This is ridiculous. How is Iran a threat to either the United States or Israel? Nuisance, maybe. Threat? Ha. Because Iran continues to use the same anti-Israel rhetoric they’ve thrown out for decades they are a threat? You need some military power to be a threat. Launching a couple of missiles without much of any payload or little to no precision is not a threat to Israel. In case you forgot, Iraq could hit Israel with missiles as well and their military crumbled like a paper dragon. Or, perhaps their navy made up of a bunch of motor boats will be a threat to our numerous carrier groups in the area.
If they were a threat to Israel, Iran would have long been eliminated by an overly cautious Israel preemptive strike force.
My question is, what is Paulsen’s position? If they are a threat, what’s he going to do about it? Either he’s going to a) support a new war; and b) sit on something he considers a threat. Neither is a winner.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:36 PM
How is Iran a threat to either the United States or Israel?
This question by a Democrat demonstrates the most precise reason they should not be running our country. If they can’t recognize history repeating itself, if they can’t recognize clear threats, these people are too dangerous to be in charge. Our childrens future depends on good people recognizing the danger these naive people represent to our security.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:38 PM
It seems the party who already cried wolf is hoping we will listen to them again.
Madia is dead on. Iran is a concern. Iran is not a threat.
Crumbling roads are a threat. Crumbling schools are a threat.
A lying administration’s warnings about another country they desperately want to invade is not a threat. It is a concern (that they will do it before November, and leave President Obama in charge of cleaning up their mess).
July 10th, 2008 at 2:51 PM
It has been a while since I’ve left a comment here, but this “Leroy Jenkins” character leaves too much red meat not to bite.
“Crumbling schools are a threat.”
That’s rich.
E-12 Education already encompasses about 43% of the overall $34.6 billion budget of MN. This, with the State of MN picking up the tab for 93% of the TOTAL cost of public education in the entire state.
Start beating your drum now Leroy.
People of your political persuasion had better have their rhetoric in tune when it comes time to debate the budgets next year.
I’m curious Leroy: How much of an increase SHOULD we give do failing schools that ALREADY suck down nearly $11 K per student and are producing 49% graduation rates.
Better get some talking points from Jan Alswager and Tommy Dooher.
“Crumbling Schools”
Even if it were true, its not Republicans that stand in the way of true reform.
Tell me again, which party does ED MN buddy up to when they need something?
Leroy, the truth is that voters like you are the reason why American elections have turned into the cartoon that they are.
God Damn. Grow up and stop voting with emotion and let a little fact and logic creep into your thought process.
Anything less, and you’ll be another stereotypical result of your beloved public education.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:01 PM
GOP Optomist-
When did I say we needed to spend more money?
I don’t recall that fact.
We need to retool our education system to make it so that No Child Left Behind is a result rather than a campaign slogan that has set our educational system back decades. If teachers were to be allowed to spend more time teaching, and less time filling out government mandated paperwork, I think we would have a start.
But what would you republicans know about supporting local control? It is a party platform plank, so, like fiscal conservatism, you no doubt are required to ignore it at any time that is not within months of an election.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:06 PM
“I’m curious Leroy: How much of an increase SHOULD we give do failing schools that ALREADY suck down nearly $11 K per student and are producing 49% graduation rates.”
In Minneapolis and Saint Paul, you can make that $15k per and 46% grads.
The amount of direct control Democrats have over a school district is proportional to the amount spent and inversely proportional to the academic achievement returned on that investment.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Tell me LeRoy, what party has had an iron grip on the Minneapolis and St. Paul public school systems over the last 35 years? Who mandates after school programs, before school programs, a myriad of “education specialists”, diversity specialists, tolerance specialists, multi-cultural specialists, and so on and so on.
It seems to me that these school are doing just as much parenting as they are teaching. Can you believe that they even have “Parent” teachers. “Professionals” that teach parents how to raise their children. What is this world coming to????
I feel sorry for the poor teachers in these districts because the root problems are never really be addressed and in my opinion are being exacerbated by the politicians who run the twin cities.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:27 PM
“If they can’t recognize history repeating itself”
HEH?
What history is going to repeat itself? Where is the historical precedent that a country so disproportionately weaker than two big boy allies (U.S. and Israel) suddenly took down the allies? Or, perhaps you are talking about the empires, who overstretched themselves by being overly militaristic and collapsed under their own weight. That, my friend, is the threat.
I say again, what’s PAULSEN’S take? MDE is probably providing him the research, so I suspect they should know the position. Either Paulsen thinks it’s a threat and (1) he thinks we should invade and neutralize; or (2) that it’s a threat and we should let it be (which means he doesn’t REALLY think its that dire of a threat). My guess is that Paulsen won’t take either position and will happily agree with Madia that it’s a concern, not the dire threat in need of immediate intervention MnGOP seems to think it is.
If I’m wrong, and Paulsen wants another war than so be it. But, good luck selling that one this November.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:32 PM
As he further proves his ignorance, Leroy Jenkins plops this out of his wet brain:
“What do you Republicans know about supporting local control?”
Both State Senators David Hann and Geoff Michel introduced bills that would’ve effectively removed MN from all federal mandates put forth from NCLB.
Hearings were requested and neither bill was granted one. The Senate Republicans aren’t the committee chairs Leroy.
Moreover, amendment after amendment was offered in both committees and on the floor numerous times to end Minnesota’s participation in NCLB.
Party line vote…..amendment fails.
Don’t you dare lecture any conservative or Republican on the concept of local control, especially in our schools.
House and Senate Education Committee Chairs didn’t give any “local control” issues a second glance, and certainly no bill hearings during the ’07-08 biennium.
Who is the majority party?
Again, grow up Leroy. Your public school education is showing.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Imagine that – a candidate for congress that actually shows up in public venues, and answers questions.
Which, of course, is something Erik Paulsen simply does not do.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Crumbling schools are a threat.
I have yet to have one liberal be honest with me and tell me what the number is. What is the number – the per-student amount that would be enough for the teachers unions?
My suspicion is: How much do I earn? Send it in.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Which, of course, is something Erik Paulsen simply does not do.
How do you sleep at night lying like that?
July 10th, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Is Ash still living with his parents?
July 10th, 2008 at 4:28 PM
“the per-student amount that would be enough for the teachers unions?”
That’s because this is an inherently flawed calculus Like it or not, it costs more to educate urban kids than suburban kids and more to educate either than it costs to educate rural kids.
Expenses are higher in urban schools (property, maintenance, staff, supplies, energy, security, infrastructure improvement, etc.)
Urban schools also face significantly different challenges. Usually, there are more socio-economic issues to deal with, more cultural disparity issues to deal with, and often opportunities for pre-K-12 education are significantly lower in urban schools which means that kids show up far less prepared. Translation: it’s harder for urban schools to catch up.
Urban schools also face increased special needs cases. In suburban district, families often can afford to pull special needs kids into specialized private institutions which means there are less of the kids in the general population. Urban parents often lack the financial resources to do so. Translation: urban schools have to dedicate more money and resources to dealing with those kids.
Per student expenditures also do not factor in the extensive capital available to suburban schools from parents of the kids. At the most basic level, urban schools often have to fund basic things like supplies for kids or food.
Until North High School looks a bit more like Wayzata High School it’s clear that that suburban districts have available a more normalized per student investment than is available to inner city schools.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Haha. You can tell Brodkorb is one of those people who feel that Iraq was a threat to us because of all of their “WMDs”. What a wanker.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:33 PM
averageJoe, perhaps you can link to a public event Paulsen has held?
Ramstad held ‘em twice a year – for which he has earned and deserves much respect.
Paulsen? Not so much.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:12 PM
PylmouthDem said:
“Like it or not, it costs more to educate urban kids”
Wrong. It costs significantly more to educate half of the urban kids, and fail the other half.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Leroy Jenkins needs to look up the definitions of the words “concern” and “threat”. He is obviously have trouble wrapping his brain around them. :-/
July 10th, 2008 at 5:21 PM
PlymouthDem- I would be willing to bet that the two-parent household rate in Wayzata is much higher than it is at North High School.
This is the real problem in the Minneapolis and St. Paul schools that is never dealt with! It does not matter how much money you continue to throw at those schools if parents don’t take a greater responsibility in educating and rearing their children. Bill Cosby has elaborated on this extensively.
The reason why they have to have so many extra-subsidized programs is because they are trying to teach and parent the kids at the same time.
This has been going on in these Democratically run schools for many, many years and will continue unless the root problem is addressed.
As a former teacher, I really feel for those teachers working hard in those schools. I have heard the horror stories of teachers having their tires slashed for threatening any kind of discipline.
Would you agree with this analysis Plymouth Dem?
July 10th, 2008 at 5:23 PM
MON,
You asked if Ash Madia lives with his parent. No. His parents live in their home in Plymouth. Ash lives in an apartment.
Iran is not a threat to the US. I’ll never listen to the GOP again after Iraq.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:28 PM
“Iran is not a threat to the US. I’ll never listen to the GOP again after Iraq.”
Then listen to your presidential candidate.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3062274/8732050
July 10th, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Andrew,
I agree with you 100%
Republicans want Israel to do their dirty work with Iran, without giving a shit about what would happen to Israel. In the long run Israel could defeat Iran, but it was be devastate Israel, both economically and physically.
WWII era Hezbollah rockets brought Northern Israel to a standstill. The Shihab 3 missiles that Iran tested have a payload of 1 ton, and the Katyusha (Hezbollah’s rocket of choice in Leb 2) has a payload of 30 kg, thats a bit of a weight difference.
If Republicans feel they need to attack Iran, then do it yourselves, leave Israel out of it. Iran will not nuke Tel Aviv, because it would be suicide, but a pre-emptive strike would give Iran exactly what they want, a pretext for war.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:53 PM
CherylP said:
“I’ll never listen to the GOP again after Iraq.”
Am I to understand that you currently think only the GOP thought Iraq was a threat, CherylP? You may be suffering from a case of selective amnesia. *shrug*
You will have to forgive me if I have some doubt you did any “listen”-ing to the GOP before “Iraq”.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:11 PM
I see these statements about a sovereign nation pursuing nuclear technologies:
“Iran is a concern. Iran is not a threat.”
“Iran is not a threat to the US.”
and think about people who said things like this about a much smaller and less threatening entity:
“Al-Qaeda is a concern. Al-Qaeda is not a threat.”
“Al-Qaeda is not a threat to the US.”
right on up to September 11, 2001. I wonder how they felt on the 12th?
Iran has been “a threat”, and making threats, for around three decades now.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:12 PM
I.R.Informed,
No, I don’t disagree at all. It is another reason why the challenge is significantly higher in urban schools and why it is a flawed calculus to say we spend more money and get worse results in urban schools, therefore urban schools are to blame.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:19 PM
PlymouthDem, we don’t need to play “pin the blame” here, but the consistent failure should tell everyone that something needs to change.
The message seems not to have reached everyone, or they don’t understand that throwing MORE money at the problem every year is not changing anything.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:20 PM
And when a nuke falls on Tel Aviv, the fact that the Dems were “concerned” should take away any hard feelings.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:30 PM
IR Informed, the two parent ratio has nothing to do it. It completely comes down to property taxes. People out in the suburbs certainly a lot more than inner city schools and can afford to pay a lot more in actual dollars for their school districts. This disparity is large enough so that communities like Wayzata can pay way less property taxes as a percentage of their incomes and still afford for massive schools with amazing facilities. Inner city schools can pay a 100% property tax and still have less money than a school like Wayzata.
Again, another way poor people get screwed over by the system.
Troy, you are missing my point. Michael’s job with the Paulsen campaign and him posting on the race is basically turning his website into a vehicle for that campaign and if that is what he wants, then whatever that’s fine. But it isn’t, this is his blog, not Paulsen’s but he cant have it both ways. All posts here on out pertaining to this race should be considered a direct post by Erik Paulsen himself.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Andrew the inner city schools are being subsidised by the suburbs. Also the inner city schools spend MORE per pupil than any of the suburban schools and are getting far worse results.
The fact that some suburbs build Taj Mahals is regretable and they are a waste of taxpayer funds. However, Minneapolis still spends far more per pupil.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:24 PM
jbob -
I don’t think gambling with a pre-emptive strike that may or may not end Iran’s nuclear program(russian SA-20 is pretty affective) is worth the lives of thousands of Israelis, thousands of US soldiers, access to the strait of Hormuz, and global economic stability.
And even if they do get a nuke, no one in their right mind would actually use it, especially against Israel, (ie the Samson Option). There is an argument that Ahmadinejad is not in his right mind, but the Ayatollahs are the real rulers of Iran, Ahmadinejad is just their mouth piece which spouts off falsities to get his people riled up and try to make them forget about how oppressive the Iranians really are.
I agree with you Andrew (100%), everything said from here on out can be considered being directly from the Paulsen campaign, no matter how many disclaimers Michael posts after his ridiculous posts.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:02 PM
““Al-Qaeda is a concern. Al-Qaeda is not a threat.â€
“Al-Qaeda is not a threat to the US.â€
right on up to September 11, 2001. I wonder how they felt on the 12th?”
Troy, you do know it’s a sin to lie, doncha?
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Repent, sinner.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:10 PM
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July 10th, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Andrew said:
“All posts here on out pertaining to this race should be considered a direct post by Erik Paulsen himself.”
And my point, Andrew, is that _you_can_do_that_!
July 10th, 2008 at 11:39 PM
What’s next on the play list, Tommy Johnson? Another one of those “I’m doing what you ‘RepubliCons’ did first” numbers?
I think you need some new material.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:46 PM
““Al-Qaeda is a concern. Al-Qaeda is not a threat.â€â€œAl-Qaeda is not a threat to the US.â€
no Tommy, I think that was a direct quote from W. daily from Jan 21-Sept 10 2001.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Yoni said:
“And even if they do get a nuke, no one in their right mind would actually use it, especially against Israel, (ie the Samson Option). There is an argument that Ahmadinejad is not in his right mind, but the Ayatollahs are the real rulers of Iran”
I don’t think Iran itself would use it, but they sure as hell WILL give it to Islamic terrorists. I don’t think there is any doubt that they would use it.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:38 AM
Troy, you’re such a moron. the line is:
“republiCons are such hypocrites for condemning Democrats for what they already done.”
and republiCon Ron condemning Franken’s paperwork problems are a prime example.
Do try to keep up.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:46 AM
Good morning Tommy Johnson and Yoni. To whom, exactly, do you think I was attributing this ‘quote’? Is “who said things _like_ this” (and the lack of attribution) too subtle a clue for you? I realize it does have quote marks, but you’d have to be pretty concrete to think I was quoting a person.
On the off chance you are that concrete, I’ll set you straight: it is not a direct quote from any one person.
You may think so if you wish, but your exceptional abilities in the realm of misunderstanding do not make me a liar. *shrug*
July 11th, 2008 at 7:49 AM
Phrase it any way you want, Tommy Johnson, but your redundancy seems obvious, even to you. Perhaps you could use your brain a little more. Is that asking too much?
July 11th, 2008 at 7:52 AM
<em”I realize it does have quote marks, but you’d have to be pretty concrete to think I was quoting a person.”
Thank you for pointing out, once again, that republiCons cannot be taken at their word.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Find another way to say “I’m ignorant” is not what I meant, Tommy Johnson.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Well, no one points out your ignorance better than you, Troy.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Well, I do seem to be able to point out ignorance, it’s true. That’s why I comment on what you say so much, Tommy Johnson.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Say, Andrew?
Your analysis of the public schools is possibly the most ignorant thing I’ve ever seen spew forth from the vacuum between a liberals ears…and trust me here, that’s sying something.
Average cost per pupil, per year in MPS and SPPS: $15,000.
Grad rate in MPS and SPPS: 46%
Average cost per pupil, per year in Edina: $11,000.
Grad rate in Edina: 84%
Those are big numbers Andrew, and fractions too. Have someone work them out for you and do yourself a favor and STFU about things you are obviously completely unequipped to discuss, K?
July 11th, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Scrotee, as a proud republiCon, you’re supposed to type it as ST(C)U.
Which, you indeed should never do; it’s angry perverts like you that help moderates clearly see that GOP stands for GreedOverPrinciples.
Just think – well, I’ll pretend you actually can – after the 2004 election, you republiCons were talking about a Permanent Republican Majority.
Now, due to hate-mongers and liars like you, the GOP is facing Permanent Minority Status.
Scrotee, you’re doin’ one (cheney)in’ job for the GOP. Way to go, Scrotee!!!
July 11th, 2008 at 3:04 PM
IRAN’S MISSILE TESTS A HOAX
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashim.htm
So, does MnGOP still think this is a threat?
July 11th, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Check these out, PlymouthDem:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30602_Reality_vs._Photoshop
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30611_More_Iranian_Fauxtography_Discovered
You seem to imply that Iran was thought of as a threat only because they had this “missle test” recently. That would be an incorrect assumption.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:58 PM
“You seem to imply that Iran was thought of as a threat only because they had this “missle test†recently”
It clearly was a lynch-pin of MnGOP’s press release that triggered this thread.
July 11th, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Is the MnGOP’s current opinion of this event important to you PlymouthDem? I don’t believe so. Instead of a pointed gun, it was a rattling saber.
The important question, in my mind is this: Is Iran a threat or not?
Madia thinks not. PlymouthDem seems to think not. I entirely disagree.
Madia thinks “we can deal with them diplomatically”. Perhaps we can talk nicer than the Europeans who have been engaged in diplomacy for how many years now? And their results have been how fruitless? *shrug*
July 11th, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Again, to be a threat a saber has to be more than a wet pasta noodle. The threat to the United States is continually chasing false threats and overstretching our defenses to the point of collapse.
MnGOP’s release is merely more evidence that the GOP has lost its credibility at being the party of national security.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Riiight, PlymouthDem. We should be “chasing” our real threats, aka “crumbling roads” and “crumbling schools”.
If his present position is any indicator, the more Madia talks about security, the more obvious it will be that he cannot be taken seriously on the subject.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:48 AM
“Riiight, PlymouthDem. We should be “chasing†our real threats, aka “crumbling roads†and “crumbling schoolsâ€.”
When again did I claim that roads and schools were a threat to our security?
Tell me, HOW IS IRAN A THREAT? This is the same country that couldn’t take down Iraq after a decade long war. We dismantled Iraq’s military in a matter of hours.
The real threat to U.S. national security is plundering defense spending by war mongering in countries that are not a threat to the United States or that don’t represent an impending humanitarian catastrophe. Madia was right on, Iran is something we can keep an eye on but it’s not a threat — and any danger it poses to U.S. forces is squarely on us because we’re sitting in Iraq, another country that wasn’t a threat to us.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:43 PM
PlymouthDem said:
“HOW IS IRAN A THREAT?”
Are the caps supposed to underscore your ignorance, or what?
Whatever. I don’t mind you and Madia pushing the ‘Rascally Puppy’ approach (“you have to ‘keep an eye on’ them!”) to a nuclear Iran, but I won’t call you intelligent for doing so.