c’mon Chestnut, where have Democrats been callous about genocide? especially compared to the current administration. Clinton at least tried in Somalia, and was pretty damn successful in Bosnia to end the humanitarian crisis there.

Bush hasn’t done squat about Darfur and has made the humanitarian situation in Iraq much worse than it was before. (I do admit that Iraq has finally been brought under control and I’ll even give credit to a lot of it because surge and for the Sunni resurgence (whatever that is)) And that is saying a lot compared to what Hussein did.

Eric Paulsen and Michele Bachmann each belong to a church that believes that the Pope is the Antichrist.

Are the ambiguously gay duo of Pat and Matt going to hold court today and declare their views to be anti-Catholic as well?

I don’t care what ends you think you’ll reach taking that path, there is nothing moral or ethical about it.

“And there has never been one iota of debate over killing humans for research. You and I both know that fetuses are the question.”

Yes, and what kind of fetuses are those? Zebras? Or humans?

The Catholic church believes that life begins at conception, so what you call a fetus, it correctly calls a human.

You advocate killing that human for medical research. The church advocates protecting that human. The Catholic church is steadfast in its believe that killing humans and desecrating human remains for medical research is immoral.

It’s not that difficult, Leroy.

It’s impossible to better mankind by debasing mankind.

I’ll ask you again: What happens when 50 percent of employees, minus 1 ask for a PRIVATE ballot when 50 percent plus one have been cajoled into PUBLICLY signing their union card?

The answer is that there will be NO secret ballot, because EFCA eliminated that right.

Jeeebus H. Keeeeerist, I can’t believe you still harbor the erroneous notion that EFCA protects employees rights. What do you and the DFL have against voting rights?

The EFCA does NOT remove the secret ballot. And you have never provided any proof other than your own opinion to say otherwise. Repeating yourself, and then quoting your own misstatements does not make a lie true.

And there has never been one iota of debate over killing humans for research. You and I both know that fetuses are the question. And the Catholic church is clear on the fact that they would rather have live humans die than let a dead fetus be used for the betterment of mankind.

I know that’s hard for you to reconcile, but those is the facts.

In the EFCA debate, I am demonstrably correct. The EFCA DOES eliminate the right to a private ballot. That FACT is indisputable.

In this debate, I also am indisputably correct: The Catholic church’s stance on pro-life is fully consistent with its stance against killing people for medical research.

My FACTS are rock solid. I’m not sure what to say of the so-called “facts” you deploy… but I think they’d be categorized as bullshit opinion.

But as the EFCA debate proved, no amount of showing you the actual facts can sway your beliefs from the bogus facts you have already created, so I won’t even bother spending any more time, as I don’t believe you have any interest in learning about the issues which you so frequently misinterpret.

All of his findings were tossed for ethical reasons. By your logic, his research is valid because it was conducted on people who were going to be murdered anyway.

That’s a tough ethical stand to take. Nonetheless, that’s the stand the Democrat party seems to have aligned with.

Moreover, embryonic stem cell research is risky as hell. It’s delivered no cures, and has little promise of doing so.

The Catholic church whole-heartedly supports adult stem cell research, which has delivered many cures and has much immediate and long-term promise.

It seems the republicans have ranked humanity.

1) Living fetuses
2) Dead fetuses
3) Norm Coleman
4) The terminally ill.

Call me silly, but I think people fighting traumatic terminal illnesses should be treated with at least the same amount of respect as an aborted fetus. If the Catholics/Republicans were smart, they would get behind this, so they could say that at least the abortions they oppose were providing some greater good.

The positions of the Catholic church on that issue couldn’t be more consistent.

If every life is sacred, why are cells from aborted fetuses more sacred than the living?

Although I strongly disagree with Catholic doctrine and their ugly history of persecuting other Christians they disagreed with (hottip- I suggest you read Foxes Book of Martyrs and The Trail of Blood), I would never dream of insulting or berating any Catholic. Franken could learn a great lesson from me and many other sane intellectuals by offering constructive criticism when you get the chance with the person you disagree with other producing vile jokes that accomplish nothing.
That garbage he produced over his “comedic” career may have appealed to the lowest common denominator over the years, but it is hard to run away from it when you are put under the micro-scope.

I still don’t know how this guy got the endorsement!! It baffles me everyday!! He is going to be poison to the Dems right down the ballot. What were the Dems thinking! Just imagine if the Dems would have endorsed a mildly “centrist” candidate to run against Coleman (a Senator that I am not proud of in the least)instead of this far-left polarizer. They got their work cut out for ‘em!

So, I’m guessing you put “catholic” when your driver’s license application requests race? A religion is not a race. Jews, catholics, or any religion do not share a single ancestry or genetic distinction. I can, for example, be an irish jew. I could the very next day become an irish protestant. I didn’t miraculously change my race.

At what point did Catholics become a race?

STATEMENT: Franken said the Pope was a Nazi.
FACT: The Pope was a member of the Hitler Youth.

STATEMENT: The church protects pedophiles.
FACT: The church protects pedophiles.

STATEMENT: Disrespecting the Pope is wrong.
FACT: Eric Paulsen’s church believes the Pope is the Antichrist, yet he gets a free pass.

STATEMENT: Bill Maher said…
FACT: If republicans want to start disqualifying donors for their past statements/actions, I’m sure the DFL would be fine with the net results.

The Catholic Church establishment uses the church to punish those who oppose their views on abortion, stem cell research, homosexuality and other issues.
What an ignorant statement. Who do they punish? They stand for what they believe in. Islamic believe they should exterminate the infidels?

Yes the last three have been of the Jewish faith but there faith has never come in to Question!! And every Catholic I know doesn’t have a problem with them. What we (I) have a problem with is Franken’s long history of bigotry towards Catholics. He can’t run from his past and people from every domination should stand agents Franken and his racist views. If any of you defends his views you are condoning his racism.

The Catholic church establishment uses the church to punish those who oppose their views on abortion, stem cell research, homosexuality and other issues.

What you also ignore is that your average Catholic probably makes more jokes about their religion then anybody else does and unlike these GOP prudes most have a sense of humor.

What the GOP talking heads also forget is the fact that even though Minnesota has a very small Jewish population the last 3 Senators to hold this seat have been Jewish. So trying to divide and conquer via religion isn’t going to win you any brownie points (ie votes). People want someone who can do the job and that obviously isn’t Norman, who has to flip a coin everyday to determine his position on any issue.

And again, you’ve yet to argue with the fact that republicans are against political correctness … unless it’s designed to protect catholics.

I’m not against non-existent bigotry.

To be sure, Hype said: “So are you saying Catholics haven’t suffered enough for you to defend them?”

PD said: “Umm… yes?”

You’re comfortable with bigotry.

You got me, I’m not against people pointing out that Catholic priests sexually abused children, when in fact they did.

Quite possibly the most ridiculous remark you’ve ever made PD… and that’s quite an accomplishment.

If by bigotry you mean acts that NO ONE can articulate, than, yes.

You people are remarkable. You jump up and down when people complaint, for example, when they are forced to celebrate Christmas when it has nothing to do with their faith and yet if someone points out that you have an issue with priests in your religion you equate it to the holocaust.

Umm… yes?

No one on this website has articulated what discrimination catholics face beyond people pointing out that you had a bit of a pedophile problem (which you did) and that your pope was involved with the Nazis (which, he was). This isn’t exactly Catholics being denied jobs, being profiled, or denied anything like other groups do. Catholics also aren’t exactly a disenfranchised group either.

At what point did you people, the same ones that complain about the over politically correct society, suddenly so offended by people saying statements that might be offensive to your faith? What, does that argument only work when those statements are made about other groups? Are we only too politically correct when the statements are made about jews, muslims, or blacks?

So are you saying Catholics haven’t suffered enough for you to defend them?

Are you capable of reading?

When did I say they experience NO persecution? Hell, people who read TMZ are persecuted. But, boo hoo Catholics because the amount of persecution they’ve suffered in this country (or suffer now) is nothing compared to what other groups suffer.

“Thanks for proving my point that your comment was stupid.”

Again, how does my statement disprove my argument that religion is a significant catalyst to war and intolerance?

I made the original comment that pointing out Franken’s anti-Christian bigotry will fail to gain much traction because anti-Christian bigotry is mainstream, particularly among liberals.

I stand by that assertion.

I will tell you that secularists have killed millions more than religious conflicts in the last 500 years, however.

Thanks for proving my point that your comment was stupid.

well for one we didn’t go to Catholic schools, where they put more emphasis on the few Catholics priests(relative to say Jews, Homosexuals, Roma, disabled, genetically flawed,etc.) that were killed during the Holocaust. Catholics and Catholic priests for that matter were not killed because of their being Catholics but because of their being genetically un-pure ie. the Poles. There were in fact many Nazi elites who were baptized as Catholic, if not practicing at the time.

Chestnut,

You can not sit here and try to say that secularism created more death and/or war compared to that of religion, be it Christian, Muslim, Jew, or whoever else. Religion has been the root of most war throughout the centuries. I know it may not fit into your Jesus loving Republican party, but try, for once, to take off the blinders and take a strong whiff of reality my friend.

I said religion is a significant catalyst for war and intolerance. That doesn’t mean that oil might not also be a catalyst for war. It doesn’t disprove my statement by saying something else causes war.

Let’s teach you some basic logic:

A -> B

and

C -> B

That doesn’t mean

A !-> B.

It’s ignorant as heck for you to claim that Catholics aren’t discriminated against.

If you can’t keep up with the conversation, then go eat your milk and cookies and go to bed.

Your stupid remark was that Catholicism and religion is the cause of war. So, in reality, pointing to the wanton slaughter of innocents by atheistic tyrants IS a good counter that something other than religion causes war.

That’s your defense to the statement that catholics don’t have it nearly as bad (or anywhere near), oh, say JEWS?

It’s ridiculous for people to claim that Catholics are held down by discrimination in this country.

Where the heck do you people go to school- Seriously?