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MN GOP PRESS RELEASE: “GOV. SARAH PALIN: AGENT OF CHANGE WITH PROVEN RESULTS—
By Michael B. Brodkorb | August 29, 2008
St. Paul – Republican Party of Minnesota Chair Ron Carey released the following statement regarding Sen. John McCain’s selection of Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.
“Gov. Sarah Palin is a bold and energetic choice for Sen. John McCain’s running mate. In her time as Alaska’s Governor, she has been a solid conservative, true reformer, and a powerful voice for families. She will be a dynamic addition to the ticket and will speak to Minnesota’s hockey moms, outdoor sports enthusiasts, and independents.”
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August 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Proven? *snort*
In stead of a now second term blue state Governor with solid conservative credentials, a compelling story and great hair, John McCain’s first presidential choice is to pick a two year Governor of Alaska.
Ha.
Sean
August 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Yeah. She proved her chops by exposing Ted Stevens’ River Classic where Norm Coleman was a special guest three times.
FANTASTIC PRESS RELEASE, MN GOP!!!!
August 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
i just heard her speech after mccain. AWESOME!
i went from mediocre support of mccain to just writing him a check.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Alaska voters are predominantly male but they elected a woman. With the oil industry booming there is a rape problem which she seems to be doing a good job of dealing with.
Contrary to feminist claims that “all men are rapists” most men abhor rape as seen in Alaska where they elected a woman as Governor. Curiously in liberal/progressive Minnesota it was the democratic feminist caucus that pushed for the the Democratic endorsement of Angry Al Frankein with his “very short fuse” who thought that a Saturday Night Night live skit of Andy Rooney drugging and raping Leslie Stahl would be “funny”. Apparently our local feminist agreed. The silence is deafening by our local feminist on Angry Al Frankens “jokes” about rape.
The other issue is energy which I assume the Governor of Alaska understands well. Far better than Nancy Pelosi who was said that natural gas is not a fossil fuel. “Earth to Queen Nancy. Perhaps Queen Nancy is saying “let them use “alternative fuels” (eat cake).
talk about “clueless”.
This selection should pick up 5% in the polls for McCain.
Cross posted to my http://excel08.com
August 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am
This is the worst choice imaginable for the Republicans. I just can’t believe our good fortune.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Hiram:
If you’re going to lie like that we know how great this pick was. Just curious if you were Mccain who is the great choice that you were afraid of? Your party didn’t even get the best VP candidate to try to fill out the experience ticket for the democrats.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Some excerpts about Palin
“Highlights of Governor Palin’s tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending.[10][17] “Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on ‘federal dollars,’ as the state does today.”[11]
She has challenged the state’s Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[18] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[10]
In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[11] A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin’s approval rating at 80%.[19]
August 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
MON,
How about the investigation into abuse of power?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-07-28-2614737237_x.htm
Does that bother you at all? Especially for someone who was a small town (9,000 residents) just two years ago. Not much experience and definitely not much education (communications-journalism bachelor’s from U of Idaho). Very worrisome to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
I’m not thrilled about Biden because of his issues with the right to privacy either.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Walter, the Veep is a heartbeat away from the presidency. Biden is clearly ready; Palin clearly is not.
MCain is 72, and the mileage is even more than that. Palen is a poor choice.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
“How about the investigation into abuse of power?”
Holy Cow!!! An INVESTIGATION!!!!
August 29th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
About Mark Wooten the Police Officer that is at the heart of the “INVESTIGATION!!!!!”
” Grimes suspended Wooten for 10 days. He also was punished for illegally shooting a moose and using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson. The trooper admitted to using the Taser on his stepson in a “training capacity” and said he shot a moose on his wife’s tag, but didn’t think the act was illegal.
…Wall’s investigation did find that Wooten threatened Palin’s sister, Molly McCann, with shooting her father if he hired a lawyer to represent her. Wooten denied making the statement, but Palin, McCann and Palin’s son all confirmed that he did.
Do you really want to side with a police officer who tasered his stepson, and threatened to kill his father-in-law?
August 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Not siding with anyone. Asked a simple question. It is an investigation over abuse of power for firing. Period.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Why do you hate cops, MON?
Is it for the same reason you hate America?
August 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Asshole,
Why do you hate women?
August 29th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
MON, I love women just as much as Bushy McSame, and I think it’s wonderful that Bushy McSame wanted to put Wife Numero Dos on stage at Sturgis, to show the drunk bikers how the Future First Lady handles a banana.
Don’t you think that Bushy McSame is a regular guy, wanting the bikers at Sturgis to watch his wife do a banana?
I’ll bet Palin will get a real kick out of her running mate’s sense of humor.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
More accomplishments of our next VP
“TransCanada Corp., the nation’s largest pipeline company, won approval from Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to build a $27 billion pipeline to carry natural gas from the Arctic to U.S. markets.
Alaskan authorities plan to develop gas deposits on Alaska’s North Slope that were discovered decades ago and left untouched by the inability to get the fuel to users. Palin solicited pipeline proposals last year and chose TransCanada’s proposal after rival plans by BP Plc and ConocoPhillips didn’t meet the state’s requirements.”
Solving America’s energy problems!!!
August 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Asshole,
I hate cops that admit to tasering their children.
Don’t you?
August 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Biden is clearly ready; Palin clearly is not.
Palin’s more qualified than Barack Hussein Carterbama. It’s not even close.
I hope they try to talk experience. This isn’t going to be a comparison between her and Biden, it’s going to be between her and Carterbama. It’s a given that McCain’s more experienced. But when the second on the ticket is vastly more experienced than the top of the Democrat ticket, I dare them to start talking experience.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Oh Hiram – With Palin on the ticket and the out reach to the 18 million who voted for HillaryBilly she is an extremely viable running mate who will make No Bama look even worse, let alone Joey B. Hmmmm, let’s see, what Chicago thugs can try to poison this choice with their thuggy antics? No Bama is well trained and versed in “thugology” of the church of Jerimiah Wrong and a bunch of other liberal socialist kooks.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Don’t you think that Bushy McSame is a regular guy, wanting the bikers at Sturgis to watch his wife do a banana?
Michael,
It’s time for this pathetic, dirty-minded, dirty-mouthed, non-contributing, paid Al Franken blogger to be banned.
This quote is disgusting. It’s beneath civilized discussion and, in fact, wouldn’t be tolerated by even most liberal blog sites.
Tommy has shown he’s not able to be a grown up and continues to flirt with the edge of appropriateness. He’s been warned time and again and continues to push the envelope.
This, however, is over the top and he needs to go.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Well, well, well. It seems that Palin is just another republiCon that doesn’t believe in science.
8 years of a misAdministration that doesn’t believe in science, and Bushy McSame and Sarah McCrook wants 4 more or the same.
Just how whacko is this RightWingExtremist, Palin? Bachmann-style crazy?
August 29th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Average Joe, do you deny that McSame joked about entering his wife into the “Miss Buffalo Chip” contest?
Do you deny that they do bananas in that contest?
How much in denial are you?
August 29th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
You know Tommy, the more you write the more idiotic you sound, just like “Tommy the Commie Rukavina”. Get your head out of your a**. OMG Tommy, you operate in a true vaacuum, with no air returning to your brain, other than natural methane that passes out your a**. No Bama and experience are the same as an untrained puppy who just learning how to “heal” from a trainer, inthis case Mr. No’s handlers. They’ll never figure it out.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
ansel Says:
August 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
i just heard her speech after mccain. AWESOME!
i went from mediocre support of mccain to just writing him a check.
I’m doing the same thing.
Might even order a shirt !!!!
August 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Pathetic piece of shit
August 29th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Gr8rMn – can you repeat that, in English?
Oh – and if you have the guts, go to http://www.YouTube.com and enter “Bikini Beauty Pageant at the Buffalo Chip” into the search field – it’s a video of the “contest” McCain joked about entering his wife in; and yes, there’s a part where the “contestants” do a banana – and that’s no joke.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
It is interesting to watch BHO talk about how Washington is broken and we need change. So he picks a VP that has been there forever. McCain says Washington is broken and he is a maverick for reform. He puts his money where his mouth is and picks a talented outsider who has a reputation of standing up to the status quo and executing reform.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
They really should have a filter on the website so you can turn off posts from the likes of Tommy, Swifte, etc.
Tommy’s wrong. Dems won’t be able to do much to pin Palin with ethics problems. And, the logical flaw in his Miss Buffalo chip argument is ridiculous.
Now, I still think Palin is a negative for the GOP. She adds significant value in her life story and being a woman. But, she significantly hurts McCain’s argument against Obama on experience. Her connection to Big Oil is also going to hurt McCain. Like it or not, Big Oil is hated by a large chunk of Americans these days.
I think she also hurts Coleman. Her key credential is fighting Alaskan political corruption. SHE HAS to talk about that over and over on the stump. All of that points back to Coleman or at least keeps the story in the news cycle.
T-Paw, Lieberman, and Mitt would have been worse. So, perhaps she’s the best of a bad crop. They needed a woman with experience to pull this election off. They got a woman, but, one that lacks experience.
That said, this does set her up to be a challenger to Obama four years from now.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
” And, the logical flaw in his Miss Buffalo chip argument is ridiculous.”
What flaw?
republiCons rip franken for a joke that never made TV, but give McCain a pass for a joke about his wife becoming “Miss Buffalo Chip” that DID make YouTube.
Clear case of republiCon hypocrisy to me.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Tommy, why are you writing about this? You are usually so involved in talking about naked men I didn’t think you would have time. Are you going back in the closet?
August 29th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
“republiCons rip franken for a joke that never made TV, but give McCain a pass for a joke about his wife becoming “Miss Buffalo Chip†that DID make YouTube.”
Completely different races, and, saying she would be in the contest does not mean she would do a banana.
It’s a dumb argument. Democrats can win on the issues, they don’t need to win on “OMG OMG OMG he just joked about his wife stripping OMG OMG OMG.”
August 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Great choice in Palin. Couldn’t be happier with it. A true conservative that doesn’t take shit even from other Republicans. I hope she gets elected and cleans house in BOTH parties. Lord knows DC could use a good enema.
MON, do what I do, just don’t read his posts. I stopped weeks ago and it works great. Nothing is gained arguing with the brainless. Don’t sink to his level. He just drags the whole blog down.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Good advice
August 29th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
“MON, do what I do, just don’t read his posts”
That advice can be successfully applied to every lefty nut case that runs over here to show us his ass.
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Palin is a surprise, but a cursory investigation into her background confirms McCain’s excellent decision.
From everything I’ve seen, Governor Palin is sincere, down-to-earth, smart, tough, and most importantly, a committed conservative.
I could almost feel the enthusiasm coming from the radio as I listened to her excellent speech!
IMHO, McCain’s chances of adding a White House address to his residences has just increased beyond anything that Nobama could dream of.
I’m stoked!
August 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Do republicans really think that democratic women are this stupid?
To believe for a moment that a shared set of X chromosomes will allow them to overlook the threat that McCain poses to the environment, the global balance of peace, reproductive freedom and the economy, well, that is, at its least, shortsighted, and at its worst, terribly demeaning to the women they intend to court.
Any woman who does not see through this charade and recognize the aging politician with a trophy wife on one arm, and now a trophy running mate on the other, well, they deserve the country they would get under John McCain.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
HA HA Tommy one of you’re own just bitch slapped you. Now go lay by your dish.
NON FACTOR = Tommy AKA Two PUTZ
I’m back Tommy!!
August 29th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
if you want to see the impact of palin’s selection all you have to do is look at the headlines of all the major news outlets. all palin, no obama.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
PD, the lesson of the SwiftLiars is: hit back, hit back hard, and hit back immediately. And one issue IS republiCon hypocrisy.
McCain joked about entering his wife into a vulgar contest where they have “contestants” do things with bananas that can’t be discussed in decent company. If the hypocritical republiCons hadn’t make Franken’s joke an issue, McCain’s joke wouldn’t be an issue.
They did; it is. John McCain joked about entering his wife into the “Miss Buffalo Chip” contest where the women do, among other things, bananas.
That’s a fact, and no matter how they spin it, that’s still a fact.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
WOW, Palin has more experience then Obama and has a higher I.Q then Joe “Finished at the tail end of his class” Biden.
No wonder Tommy is throwing up smokescreens and is obsessed with Buffalo Chips.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
“PD, the lesson of the SwiftLiars is: hit back, hit back hard, and hit back immediately. And one issue IS republiCon hypocrisy.”
Only when the hit back is a good argument, ideally tied to the issues. Obama’s speech was an example of hitting back. Saying McCain wants his wife to do a banana merely decreases the legitimacy of its messenger.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
“if you want to see the impact of palin’s selection all you have to do is look at the headlines of all the major news outlets. all palin, no obama.”
I’m not really sure how this is an argument. If McCain picked a monkey it’d be all over the headlines as well. That doesn’t mean it’s going to help him win the election.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
On the related post.
She is a GREAT choice for VP. It shows the world that the DEMâ€S don’t believe that a women can lead…. And Republicans do believe.
I listen to Obama’s speech last night and he said some very good things but most of what I heard is more of the same. What I can for you is take more of you money and spend it as I please. BLAH BLAH BLAH…….
I will be writing a personal check to McCain’s campaign.
August 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Everything I’m reading tells me that McCain has really scored big withthis pick. Fox is airing past interviews with Gov. Palin, and she is one smart, tough cookie!
We need this woman, not only the country, but our party needs her.
For the first time in this election, I’m actually getting excited. She’s going to kick Biden’s ass!
August 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
“Everything I’m reading tells me that McCain has really scored big withthis pick. Fox is airing past interviews with Gov. Palin, and she is one smart, tough cookie!”
Well, if Fox is pumping her up then you’re right, she’s a hit!
August 29th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
“She is a GREAT choice for VP. It shows the world that the DEMâ€S don’t believe that a women can lead…. And Republicans do believe.”
How exactly do the Dems think woman can’t lead? Hillary was almost the nominee. She didn’t miss out because people didn’t think a woman can lead. And, she didn’t not become VP because people didn’t think she could not lead either. Obama thought other issues would cloud the campaign.
Oh, and the THIRD most powerful person in the country (speaker of the house), is a DEMOCRATIC WOMAN.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I’d say the GOP has fallen way down in prestige with this pick. How could she be considered a “smart cookie” when she’s never been outside of Alaska? She has the education of a gnat (BA from U of Idaho in communications-journalism) and no relevant experience. Explain to me how Kay Bailey Hutchinson was overlooked for Sarah Palin! How about Colin Powell? How about Condi Rice, even? How about Tom Ridge? As a strong Dem I want to know that if the Dems loose that we can be comforted that reasonably competent people on the other side win. This is disheartening as an American.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Yeah, and when was the last time that a VP lead anything (Other than an ill-fated hunting party)?
I believe it was FDR’s VP, John Nance Garner, who said that the Vice Presidency is not worth, “…a warm bucket of spit”.
So, to use the same sort of logic that makes this site spin, what the republicans have actually done is spit on all women with this selection.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
PD, the lesson of the SwiftLiars is: hit back, hit back hard, and hit back immediately.
No, the lesson for Carterbama is deflect, lie, and most importantly, intimidate anyone who attempts to talk about the inconvenient facts (like they did with a Chicago radio station a day or two ago).
Yep, Carterbama’s just another Chicago mobster thug.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
“This is disheartening as an American.”
Well feel free to take your whiney ass back over to the feverswamp and have yourself a nice, cleansing cry PD.
Palin’s gender is not important to anyone but, perhaps the idiot Democrat voters that believe that race or gender are all important.
Sarah is an excellent choice because she is an excellent person…period.
I know that’s very confusing for lefty’s, but you’ll figure it out sometime during her second term as VP, or perhaps during her first term as Pres.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
“Well feel free to take your whiney ass back over to the feverswamp and have yourself a nice, cleansing cry PD.”
Except I didn’t say that.
Please, to say she wasn’t picked in part because she’s a female is absurd. McCain thought they could nab clinton voters with a woman. I think ultimately that will fail, but, that’s what he thought. He had a number of more qualified people he could have picked if he wanted to take the traditional white guy route.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Nancy Palouse was elected by the people of Northern California not the entire US. She was put into a position of Power as speaker by a very small group of DEMS.
The American people have no confidence in her or Hillary. And McCain just put the smack down on Hillary.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
We can all go round and round about her qualifications or experience. She has the one thing I like about Obama; Not a lifetime beltway insider. Seems to be a logic and common sense killer.
Also, she isn’t a lawyer. Thank God!
Personally, I’m just thrilled McCain picked a real conservative. All the talk of T-Paw or Lieberman was making me sick. Palin is much more conservative than all the previous possibilities. Only Mitt comes close.
Sure, she has a lot to prove, but at least she starts on the right foot, not in a wishy washy liberal hole.
Should be a fun couple of months!
August 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I can tell you why Obama didn’t pick Hillary.
with all the people who seem to assume room temperature when dealing with the Clintons, would you want to be looking over your shoulder thinking one day you might end up like Vince Foster??
The Clintons would do anything to assume power.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Baracks Speech was great democratic red meat. Im sure he spoke to the hearts and minds of hillarys people. By the way did anyone hear Chris matthews of msnbc? He basically endorsed barack obama on air. Whats up w that? Anyone who thinks NBC is unbiased is smoking large amounts of crack. Read that in the http://fargpophantom.com
Lets see what the Goverment Channel has to say at FOX News tonight. Looks like a successful Speech and will prove to be a strong force of change.
Your Loving Neighbor in North Dakota
August 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
But she is a hockey mom!
August 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Obama has my vote. Don’t like McSame at all. Poor choice McSame made for a VP. I like Biden as VP. A good leader puts smart and strong people as part of his team. GW had good people around him. They were / are just crooked.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Ek08, ‘Berto Gonzo was hardly “good”, and today is a good day to remind people of “Brownie, you’re doin’ a heckuva job.”
Then there’s Paul Wolfowitz, one of the chief ChickenHawks that created the Iraq FUBAR – he was rewarded for his incompetence with a promotion, where he got caught givin’ his Iranian squeeze an unethical pay raise.
The last 8 years have been marked with incompetence and corruption, and the GOP wants to be rewarded for their failures with 4 more years just like the last 8 years.
The “Republican” brand has been trashed, for the old-fashioned reason: they EARNED it.
August 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
VP does matter… ask Lyndon Johnson and Andrew Johnson when you get to those pearly gates.
She is not qualified. And McCain is too old (including 2 bouts of cancer already)to have such an inexperienced person in the number 2 spot. I expected him to pick someone better.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Jeeze, it was going to be close if he picked Pawlenty or Romney….I’m sure it would have come down to another repeat of Florida(2000) or Ohio(2004)..something to give you unhinged, shrill SmakTards something to harp on for 4 years..
Now it GAME OVER….Messiah HOPE&CHANGE and Greasy Joe will be CRUSHED!!
Better luck next time…zipper heads….
August 29th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Michael,
Obviously a great choice by McCain. I love the antics from the libs on the blog. They are acting like their undies are riding up. Too bad they didn’t pick their most qualified candidate, who happened to be a woman, for either president or VP. I guess we truly have the enlightened, big tent party!
God bless you John McCain!
August 29th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
You might not be aware of this Munch, but as Governor, Sarah Palin is the state of Alaska’s Chief Executive.
Neither one has any foreign policy experience, and both are relative newcomers to higher elected office…but that is where the similarities end.
While Palin was overseeing billion dollar budgets, and running the state of Alaska, Nobama was shuffling around missing votes on the Senate floor.
You should give a listen to Palin speak before you reach any broad conclusions, she’s more than a match for Biden rhetorically and doesn’t have a reputation for sticking her foot in her mouth, like Biden does.
Sarah Palin has arrived, and you had better get used to her…she’s gonna be around for a long, long time.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Plymouth Democrat:
Has the heat gotten to you today? Boy you seem to be getting crazier as the day goes along.
You try to use that Nancy Pelosi who is the third most powerful person in Washington is proof that Democrat women know what they’re doing. You are aware that she thinks she is the Pope because she has tried to totally rewrite catholic teachings. A lot of cardinals have been correcting her this week. This is the woman who thinks natural gas isn’t a fossil fuel.
This is the woman who can’t keep her votes together in the house so even though the Democrats are in the majority she won’t offer a clean up and down vote on drilling.
As for picking her over more qualified people I disagree. It has become obvious that a major issue the Mccain campaign is going to use is drilling. Picking Pallin gives him the perfect and most qualfied person to talk about drilling. The fact that the Democrats don’t want to drill let alone can seriously talk about drilling shows their lack of qualification. Obama thinking that if you impose a windfalls profit tax (something that Jimmy Carter tried by the way) will automatically increase supplies and lower prices isn’t true.
Furthermore Plymouth you seem to imply that we picked her because of her sex. Democrats are the people who quota delegates for sex, race, religion, etc. We just look for more qualfied people. Pallin is more qualfied than the entire Democrat field. Obama has repeatedly said several times if he’s attacked it’s because he’s black not because he might have the wrong position on Iraq, judges, taxes, etc.
You need to reread your history. The swift boat veterans in 2004 didn’t lie. Kerry did have according to his own spokesperson, “An unintentional self inflicted wound” which means that you don’t get the purple heart which Kerry used to get out of Vietnam, Kerry testified in front of Congress (illegally) and called everybody in Vietnam war criminals, and he wouldn’t disclose his war records. Where’s the lie. The fact that they are associated with blowing Kerry to a loss is why they’re hated for telling the truth! Oh now it’s amazing once again when you have a real war hero (like 92 and 96) the war service was nothing yet in 2004 it was everything.
I got interrupted by an important phonecall so I’ll have to finish my thoughts later.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 29th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
“The American people have no confidence in her or Hillary. And McCain just put the smack down on Hillary.”
Ahhh WHAT? You switched from not having faith in WOMEN to individual women. The original ridiculous point made was that dems don’t trust women in power. That’s a dumb argument.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
” You try to use that Nancy Pelosi who is the third most powerful person in Washington is proof that Democrat women know what they’re doing.”
When did I say that? I said Pelosi is the third most powerful person in government as a DEMOCRAT WOMAN in response to the dumb argument that the democratic party doesn’t trust women in power. Learn to read.
“Furthermore Plymouth you seem to imply that we picked her because of her sex. Democrats are the people who quota delegates for sex, race, religion, etc. We just look for more qualfied people. Pallin is more qualfied than the entire Democrat field. Obama has repeatedly said several times if he’s attacked it’s because he’s black not because he might have the wrong position on Iraq, judges, taxes, etc.”
Again, you miss the entire point because you can’t read. I said you are crazy if you don’t think she was picked in part because she is a woman. There are plenty of people with larger resumes than she has. McCain is taking a gamble he can win the election with women voters. He didn’t think T-Paw could delivery.
“You need to reread your history. The swift boat veterans in 2004 didn’t lie.”
WTF? How has anything I’ve said have anything to do with the swift boaters? Who again is suffering from heat exhaustion?
August 29th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
The dems are having absolute conniptions today, and I love it!!! McCain pulled quite a coup with choosing a female.
We just stole the proverbial thunder.
The entire ticket now have children that are serving in the Iraq war. No more smears from the left as to being “chickenhawks”. Either way, I’d rather be a chickenhawk than flat out being a chicken!
I’m also thinking that Ms. Palin will be able to hold her own, just fine, against the nasty and angry Mr. Biden in a debate.
By the way, why does it seem that conservative women are generally more attractive than lib women? And, it sure doesn’t hurt my feelings when her husband is hot!
August 29th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
“We just stole the proverbial thunder.”
Until the press is a buzz during the RNC reminding us about Katrina as a second hurricane hits the gulf coast while republicans are partying it up.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
el presidente predicted Marilyn Quayle, however, Sarah Smile & Marilyn Quayle could be the Minnesota Twins.
Dick Cheney & Sarah Smile duck hunting in Texas?
August 29th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Does Sarah Palin Republican (SPR) know CPR?
McCain Mcmight McNeed it.
She could be a McHeartbeat away.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
“The dems are having absolute conniptions today”
REALLY? I think most dems are relieved with this pick. McCain could have picked a moderate woman with solid experience and seriously challenged for Clinton votes. Instead, he only got one part right, a woman. But, in doing so he killed any chance to make the best argument he had against Obama: experience, and shut the door on clinton voters by moving the ticket way to the right (you know it moved right with Dobson moves from refusing to vote for McCain to suddenly thrilled). Add to that the fact she’s in the back pocket of big oil and McCain’s ticket is in trouble.
This was a win win win for democrats.
Perhaps she’ll be solid in 4 years as a challenger, but, McCain really is handing this election to Obama.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Plymouth Dem:
In one very important sense her resume was better than Tim’s because of some of Tim’s positions. She was picked because Mccain was trying to please the conservative base. Keep in mind some of those candidates who you might think has a deep resumee Libberman (future Secretary of State or Defense) Rudy (future homeland Security), Mitt (future Treasury secretary), etc don’t have the credentials that excite conservatives. Her conservative credentials are far more credible than those people. In that sense it’s better.
She has the reformer credentials which Mccain wanted. Again far deeper!
She has great credentials for more drilling (an issue important with Republicans) than Tim.
But you’re dancing around the issue that even though Hillary was far more qualfied than Obama she was rejected because she Bill Clinton’s wife, she didn’t want to try to get out of Iraq as fast as Obama, etc. Given that the Democrats are more shallow than what you claim the Republicans are.
As for Pelosi I was trying to go over a bunch of your posts in trying to do one. sorry for misreading the spirit of your comment. But Pelosi is an example of what is wrong with the Democrat party. They all think they’re the Pope and they don’t understand the consequences of their policies. And when the consequences hit they blame the oil companies, the rich, etc, instead of the people who cause it the liberal democrats.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 29th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
“he killed any chance to make the best argument he had against Obama: experience”
Huh…I thought Nobama was running for President.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
“In one very important sense her resume was better than Tim’s because of some of Tim’s positions. She was picked because Mccain was trying to please the conservative base. Keep in mind some of those candidates who you might think has a deep resumee Libberman (future Secretary of State or Defense) Rudy (future homeland Security), Mitt (future Treasury secretary), etc don’t have the credentials that excite conservatives. Her conservative credentials are far more credible than those people. In that sense it’s better.”
This is exactly why democrats are relieved. The base doesn’t save the GOP this time around — and the base was never going to vote for Obama. He needed the independents which until today he was WINNING. Now the ticket has shifted significantly right. That hurts the demographic he most needed.
“She has the reformer credentials which Mccain wanted. Again far deeper!”
Why? McCain is suppose to be the maverick, the reformer. This adds nothing to the ticket.
“She has great credentials for more drilling (an issue important with Republicans) than Tim.”
Why do you need credentials to be pro drilling? He needed someone who wasn’t connected with big oil to be for oil so it doesn’t look like her opinion is tainted. She isn’t especially gifted in being able to speak about drilling. She’s not an expert. She’s a sports reporter. If he wanted to add credibility to the drilling debate, he needed someone who you wouldn’t expect would be for drilling to convince the american people. As it stands, she will be pegged as in the pocket of big oil which is a negative to the electorate.
” But you’re dancing around the issue that even though Hillary was far more qualfied than Obama she was rejected because she Bill Clinton’s wife, she didn’t want to try to get out of Iraq as fast as Obama, etc. Given that the Democrats are more shallow than what you claim the Republicans are.”
I’m not dancing at all. I said the weakest point for Obama was experience. McCain was actually making headway with that argument. But, not anytime he says “Is Obama ready to lead?” everyone will ask “I don’t know, is SHE?” No one can claim that she has significantly more experience than Obama. Many can argue she has less. If you are 72 and battled cancer twice you’d better put someone up that people think can meet the qualification test. And, if your main attack is qualifications, you’d better make sure your VP pick won’t take the same hits your trying to deliver.
Democrats would have been VERY worried if he had picked a moderate woman with significantly more experience than Obama. This pick (and I think had he picked T-Paw) is a net positive for dems.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
“Huh…I thought Nobama was running for President.”
I’m not even sure what this argument is. But, at the end of the day, people expect both the VP and president to be ready on day one to take the commander in chief position. ESPECIALLY when your presidential candidate has as many miles on him as McCain does. If he argues experience now against Obama, it hurts his ticket because those arguments stick on his VP.
August 29th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Plymouth Dem: You are proving my “conniptions” point yourself.
You’ve been furiously posting more than usual today.
Nah, y’all aren’t worried. LOL.
August 29th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
i like this experience criticism by bho. seems to me mccain has been running a commercial quoting biden, clinton, dodd saying bho did not have the experience to be president, much less v.p.
August 29th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
I was listening to the television while varnishing a door this morning, so I could hear but not see. I heard the various democratic spokes-beings talk down palin. One even brought up Wooten. but there was one thing in common. you could hear the undertone of panic in thier voices. tTeam Obama did not see this coming, they do not know how to respond effectively. I expect to see some ugly misogyny coming to the surface in the coming weeks
August 29th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
You leave Fat Tommy Alone!
He’s been very upset lately and has taken to violating the family pet’s rectal cavity.
I don’t think Norm would approve of you picking on my mentally retarded son
The Shame I feel
August 29th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
ObamaCarter last night bellowed something stupid about how oil imports had increased X percent while John McCain was in the Senate.
Is he so stupid as to not realize that they’ve increased far more since his running mate has been in the Senate?
August 29th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Here, let me re-write the Obama campaign’s other stupid comment today:
““Today, THE DEMOCRAT PARTY put the former CHICAGO-BASED COMMUNITY AGITATOR with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. BARAK OBAMA shares JOSEPH STALIN’S commitment to overturning THE FREE MARKET ECONOMY, the agenda of BLOOD SUCKING TRIAL LAWYERS and continuing JIMMY CARTER’S failed policies — that’s not the change we need, it’s just more of the same SOCIALISM.â€
August 29th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
I wonder how many MEN who had served two terms as the mayor of a small town before a 634 tenure in the Governor’s office were seriously considered for this job.
My guess is zero.
So, despite a party platform that objects to hirings based on gender, the top name on the ticket rejects the platform and takes a flier on a woman who appears to be woefully unqualified to be even the governor of any other state, let alone Vice President.
August 30th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Here let me help you out Leroy:
“I wonder how many men who had served a couple years as community agitators before serving as a state legislature for a year and voting mostly “present” before a 100 day stint as U.S. Senator were seriously considered for the Democrat nomination.
My guess is zero.
So, were it not for party platform that is based on discrimination in hiring based on race, the top name on the ticket is an EEOC candidate black man who appears to be woefully unqualified to be even the dog catcher of any other town, let alone President.”
August 30th, 2008 at 1:19 am
Plymouth Dem:
Boy are you so wrong.
You talk about the base being excited doesn’t matter. In 2006 the Republicans lost because the base wasn’t happy while the Democrat base (especially the antiwar nuts) were excited. Karl Rove thought the election of 2000 didn’t go as expected because over a million votes that he expected to show up didn’t. In 2004 the base was excited and worked the Republicans won. Democrats were talking for months look at how excited their base was than the Republicans. So don’t give bull about that.
You talk about how Republicans need to have somebody who doesn’t speak for big oil. Sarah Pallin speaks for Americans. How about you ask the Democrat party not to speak for the policies of the Sierra Club. You don’t care. You want the price of gasoline to be what $5? $10? $20?
You comment that moderates and independents will now desert Mccain. Keep in mind in a country that is suppose to be bitterly divided Republicans, Democrats,and Independents all agree that there should be more drilling. Even in ANWR. Which party speaks for more drilling and will eventually get more votes? It isn’t the Democrats. And over the next two months as Sarah Pallin educates the country what will happen by drilling the country will learn that Obama doesn’t have an energy policy. He only talks about.
The fact that she is a better speaker than Obama is the cherry on the top.
This pick shows just how unqualified Obama is to be President.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 30th, 2008 at 1:21 am
I have come to understand that when you try and change the topic, you generally agree with what I had previously posted.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:51 am
LEROY,
GET READY FOR A LORD FARIS WIN!
August 30th, 2008 at 3:00 am
Pregnant at about age 43-44 with their fifth child.
She could become the first Vice-presidential Candidate [that I know of] of the current two major parties to become pregnant while campaigning for office.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:10 am
At age 25 a woman has about a 1-in-1,250 chance of having a baby with Down syndrome.
At age 30, a 1-in-1,000 chance.
At age 35, a 1-in-..400 chance.
At age 40, a 1-in-..100 chance.
At age 45, a 1-in-…30 chance.
At age 49, a 1-in-…10 chance.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:57 am
Borrowing on the MAC vs PC ad concept
Obama vs Palin
http://tinyurl.com/6hseb2
August 30th, 2008 at 7:34 am
This says it all:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/08/30/palin/
Palin=”Epitome of Tokenism”
August 30th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Hey Walter Hanson, if you want to dredge John Kerry’s military history into this debate, let’s talk about your big bad war hero Johnny Mac and the propanganda films he made for the enemy. Maybe instead of fake purple band-aids at your convention this year you guys can all come armed with little video cameras.
August 30th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Hey George:
Obama = “Epitome of Tokenism”
And hey George… Would you care for a side of libel with that heaping helping of stupid your chomping on?
August 30th, 2008 at 9:58 am
George:
Keep in mind the reason why I dragged Kerry’s military history into this was someone had commented about the lieing swift boat veterans and how it should be reacted to. I correctly pointed out that the reason why they were hated was they exposed the vaults in Kerry’s military.
The second thing I was pointing out was that Democrats had a scale where the military service didn’t matter in 1992 and 1996 when war heroes were running. In 2004 the Democrats cared a war hero was on the ballot (only he wasn’t). John Mccain by the way is a real war hero. That isn’t in dispute.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 30th, 2008 at 9:58 am
George:
Keep in mind the reason why I dragged Kerry’s military history into this was someone had commented about the lieing swift boat veterans and how it should be reacted to. I correctly pointed out that the reason why they were hated was they exposed the vaults in Kerry’s military.
The second thing I was pointing out was that Democrats had a scale where the military service didn’t matter in 1992 and 1996 when war heroes were running. In 2004 the Democrats cared a war hero was on the ballot (only he wasn’t). John Mccain by the way is a real war hero. That isn’t in dispute.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 30th, 2008 at 10:54 am
“In 2006 the Republicans lost because the base wasn’t happy while the Democrat base (especially the antiwar nuts) were excited. Karl Rove thought the election of 2000 didn’t go as expected because over a million votes that he expected to show up didn’t. In 2004 the base was excited and worked the Republicans won. Democrats were talking for months look at how excited their base was than the Republicans. So don’t give bull about that.”
Except the number of self-identified republicans has shrunk incredibly since 2004 or 2006. The point is that the base can’t save the GOP because the base has significantly eroded and the moderates have peeled off to be independents who will be pushed away by a social conservative on the ticket.
“You talk about how Republicans need to have somebody who doesn’t speak for big oil. Sarah Pallin speaks for Americans”
I don’t think most American’s associate themselves with oil companies. So, I don’t think most Americans will think that she will be speaking for them if she is linked to oil.
“You comment that moderates and independents will now desert Mccain. Keep in mind in a country that is suppose to be bitterly divided Republicans, Democrats,and Independents all agree that there should be more drilling. Even in ANWR.”
You aren’t reading again. The break off will be because the republican ticket moved significantly more right. Drilling for oil is not a lot of people’s top issue (besides apparently you) and it CERTAINLY not their ONLY issue. Candidates typically run to the center during a general. McCain has moved quite right in order to save the base. The trade-off with moving the party right is that it peels off independents. I make the argument that he needed indepdnents far more than crazy right wingers who would have voted for him anywhere.
” The fact that she is a better speaker than Obama is the cherry on the top.”
No one (at least besides you) actually thinks her speaking is better than Obama. She’s not nearly as horrible as Bush, but, she’s not Obama. Even republicans admit he’s far better of a speaker than her.
“This pick shows just how unqualified Obama is to be President.”
WHAT? How does it do that? It certainly impedes McCain from making the inexperience argument. But, unless you are arguing that by nominating completely inexperienced highlights the fact that Obama is inexperienced, I don’t know what you are talking about.
August 30th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
“Except the number of self-identified republicans has shrunk incredibly since 2004 or 2006.”
The numbers have decreased, but not significantly. The latest polls show significant in self-identified Democrats, right now.
“The point is that the base can’t save the GOP because the base has significantly eroded and the moderates have peeled off to be independents who will be pushed away by a social conservative on the ticket.”
Too bad for you, that assertion isn’t supported by any of the data. Were it but that line if crap were true, we wouldn’t see McCain drawing nearly even and sometimes ahead of ObamaNothing.
” So, I don’t think most Americans will think that she will be speaking for them if she is linked to oil.”
The Big Oil line is bullshit on its face. However, your assertion ignores the fact that she’s taken on oil companies in Alaska. She’s not connected to them in any shape or form.
You’re pretty ignorant spouting this crap.
“The break off will be because the republican ticket moved significantly more right.”
Are you fucking kidding? The Democrat party has moved to the extreme LEFT. McCain is solid Center, no matter how much Democrats try to lie otherwise. The GOP ticket is center-Right in a center-Right country. The only thing Barak has going for him is that pretty bow that says “EEOC Candidate” on it.
“Drilling for oil is not a lot of people’s top issue”
Again, are you stupid, or just dishonest. Energy policy is THE TOP issue for most Americans right now. And 68 percent say DRILL NOW!!!
“Candidates typically run to the center during a general.”
True. Thus Barak Obama running as a communist during the primary, and now lying his way to the Center now.
“McCain has moved quite right in order to save the base. ”
Bullshit.
You’re an idiot, PD. You don’t know shit. And what you do know, you can’t even manage a cogent analysis for. You’re beyond ridiculous.
August 30th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
think oil, oil, oil. which candidate is more attractive?
August 30th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
“Too bad for you, that assertion isn’t supported by any of the data. Were it but that line if crap were true, we wouldn’t see McCain drawing nearly even and sometimes ahead of ObamaNothing.”
There hasn’t been a poll since she was picked so there are no numbers. As with pulling even, the national polls show an 8 point lead for Obama but that’s not why McCain is in deep trouble. He’s tied or losing all of the battle ground states and he’s barely winning in traditional GOP states like Montana. Even ARIZONA is competitive. As it is now, this could be a significant electoral landslide.
“Are you fucking kidding? The Democrat party has moved to the extreme LEFT. McCain is solid Center, no matter how much Democrats try to lie otherwise. The GOP ticket is center-Right in a center-Right country. The only thing Barak has going for him is that pretty bow that says “EEOC Candidate†on it. ”
Unfortunately for McCain the country is moving left not right. Even if you are right that Obama is left the way you win is move center to capture independents. McCain blundered by moving right. And, you know he’s moved right when Dobson goes from “I won’t vote for him” to being ecstatic about the ticket. Dumb move.
August 30th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
“think oil, oil, oil. which candidate is more attractive?”
A) No one except republicans are thinking “oil oil oil.” Most americans are thinking about oil, but oniy in the context of how oil companies are screwing them. Can someone explain to me why gas is still $3.65+ a gallon when oil prices are almost 1/3 off their highs? Oil companies. Guess who’s going to release another round of record profits before election day? Oil companies.
B) Both candidates are essentially the same — it’s just Obama sees drilling as a short term bridge as compared to a panacea.
August 30th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Plymouth Dem:
I live on a planet called Earth. Just curious do you live on Mars? Pluto?
You point out that the number of identified Republicans are down. That’s because they went and became independents because they weren’t happy with the drift away from Republican values.
Mccain is talking about those values and will pull them in!
You claim that John Mccain has drifted to the right. Not exactly what he has done he has realized that the liberal issues that he wanted to run on such as global warming wasn’t winning him votes. What has given him momentum is talking about real spending restraint (A republican value), being prolife (a republican value), winning the war on terror (a republican value). The fact these are right wing values is what makes you think he has moved dramtically to the right when he hasn’t.
One thing you don’t seem to understand the battleground poll came out recently (this is a bi-partisan poll) and they usually ask the same questions every time. One question is D3 which is what do you consider yourself to be. By a margin of 60% to 36% they consider themselves to be conservative. Keep in mind John Mccain is trying to appeal to the 60%. You and Obama want to appeal to the 36%.
Being a liberal is a minority in America. Which is way your liberal candidates have to try to dress up your liberal policies as being good.
And the fact is Obama doesn’t have an energy policy. So don’t give me bull when people support drilling even democrats and even in ANWR that you think not drilling is the correct policy to call for.
The point is even before I went to the internet yesterday it was the Democrats who were already commenting that Pallin was inexperience.
First of all she is more experienced than Obama! Second the argument by Mccain isn’t the experience it’s the fact that Obama is wrong on oil, Obama is wrong on taxes, Obama is wrong foreign policy etc. That is the argument that Obama is going to lose.
Especially with Sarah educating the public that wants to listen about oil exploration.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 30th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Plymouth Dem:
Quit lying!
Go to Real Clear Politics.
Rasmussen has a poll that shows the margin is just four points. And the gallup poll you site has Obama with his convention bounce and Mccain not having his convention yet.
Mccain in the real clear politics average has a 11.7% lead in Arizona. Oh I guess if that’s barely winning by your defintion Obama can’t be winning!
Mccain has narrow leads in Virginia (a battle ground state which Obama wants to win), North Carolina (a battle ground state which Obama wants to win), Florida (a battle ground state which Obama wants to win), Nevada (a battle ground state which Obama wants to win), and Ohio the state Kerry needed to be President. That’s five or six. The projected electoral count right now is 273 Obama 265 for Mccain. Obama has a very small lead in the battle ground state of Colorda. But come November Colorado will be Mccain terrority along with a couple of other state which Obama is winning now. The map is a whole lot favorable for a President Mccain instead of a President Obama.
Of course I don’t know what data you’re getting from your home planet which is Mars or Pluto.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
“I live on a planet called Earth. Just curious do you live on Mars? Pluto?”
OH SNAP! You got me there!
“You point out that the number of identified Republicans are down. That’s because they went and became independents because they weren’t happy with the drift away from Republican values.
Mccain is talking about those values and will pull them in!”
No. The base did not all of a sudden call themselves independents. Moderate republicans (namely, social moderate but fiscal conservatives) have abandoned the republicans. Religious whack jobs continue to associates themselves with republicans. Moving the party back to creationists doesn’t capture you independents and it sure as hell won’t get you the Clinton voting block.
“You claim that John Mccain has drifted to the right. Not exactly what he has done he has realized that the liberal issues that he wanted to run on such as global warming wasn’t winning him votes. What has given him momentum is talking about real spending restraint (A republican value), being prolife (a republican value), winning the war on terror (a republican value). The fact these are right wing values is what makes you think he has moved dramtically to the right when he hasn’t.”
Which identifies why independents have left McCain. He use to be moderate and a “maverick” Now he’s shifted dramatically right to shore up the base. This was a politically dumb move. Why would you run toward s shrinking party when you should be trying to enlarge it? Running on issues like pro-life, gay marriage, creationism, etc. does not expand your party. And, where the hell has he been talkign about FISCAL RESTRAINT?
“One thing you don’t seem to understand the battleground poll came out recently (this is a bi-partisan poll) and they usually ask the same questions every time. One question is D3 which is what do you consider yourself to be. By a margin of 60% to 36% they consider themselves to be conservative. Keep in mind John Mccain is trying to appeal to the 60%. You and Obama want to appeal to the 36%.”
What poll? Here’s the state by state CQ poll and it looks pretty crappy for McCain:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2008/08/latest-statebystate-general-el-44.html
Most people do call them selves FISCAL conservatives. The label means crap. It’s who they are going to vote for. Most people do not consider themselves part of the Christian Right.
“Being a liberal is a minority in America. Which is way your liberal candidates have to try to dress up your liberal policies as being good.”
Please… that’s why the GOP would think losing 5-7 senate seats a moral victory? Republicans are suffering in race after race, including in Minnesota.
“And the fact is Obama doesn’t have an energy policy. So don’t give me bull when people support drilling even democrats and even in ANWR that you think not drilling is the correct policy to call for.”
Yes, he has NO energy policy. Keep spewing Republican idiocy. The reality is that the candidates are almost identical — except Obama has pledged to do more than merely drill drill drill.
“First of all she is more experienced than Obama!
Keep telling yourself that — that a less than 2 year governor of Alaska is more experienced. Or, perhaps we should add in her term as a mayor of a town of 6,000. No one is trying to argue that she is more experienced as Obama. At best, people have TRIED to argue she’s as experienced as Obama. But, that doesn’t help you when you are trying to frame your campaign on the inexperience of your opponent.
“Second the argument by Mccain isn’t the experience it’s the fact that Obama is wrong on oil, Obama is wrong on taxes, Obama is wrong foreign policy etc. That is the argument that Obama is going to lose.”
He’s not going to lose on oil because his position is almost identical as McCain. He’s not going to lose on taxes because the majority of the country is fed up with the status quo economic policies. And, he’s not going to lose on foreign policy because he’s not going to be associated with the debacle in Iraq and consequently Afghanistan.
“Especially with Sarah educating the public that wants to listen about oil exploration.”
Yes, people don’t want to hear about the economy, housing, health care, iraq, terrorism, Afghanistan, Russia/Georgia, civil liberties, urban crime, the rich poor gap, etc. they ONLY want to hear about drilling. You are delusional Walter Hanson of Minneapolis, MN.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
“Of course I don’t know what data you’re getting from your home planet which is Mars or Pluto.”
I think Politico said it best:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html
“He’s desperate: Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states like Indiana and Montana the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.
McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide. That is the private view of Democrats and Republicans alike.”
August 30th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
PD, AGAIN, is clueless:
There hasn’t been a poll since she was picked so there are no numbers.”
BULLSHIT. Rassmussen’s latest was taken after Obama’s speech and after Palin was picked. He’s got only a 4 point bounce from the convention.
Moreover, last week there were two polls that showed self-identified Democrats decreasing.
Ignorance is bliss for you PD.
“the national polls show an 8 point lead for Obama”
Before the Palin pick. Since then, it’s decreased to a 4 point lead, per today’s Rassumusen poll.
You’re either dumb, or lying. I’m going to put my money on “dumb” for right now.
“this could be a significant electoral landslide.”
NOTHING supports that assertion.
“Unfortunately for McCain the country is moving left not right.”
NOTHING supports that assertion.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
“No one except republicans are thinking “oil oil oil.†”
I, again, put my money on you being “dumb.” The entire country is thinking oil.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Here, PD… put this in your pipe and smoke it:
“Sixty nine percent of Americans now favor an increase in offshore oil drilling, and just 30 percent oppose it, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll published in early August 2008.”
But you’re probably right. Nobody is thinking about oil, except for how their getting screwed…. getting screwed by Democrats who oppose EVER MEASURE
August 30th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
… getting screwed by Democrats who oppose EVERY MEASURE to increase supply and lower costs.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
By all means, plyMOUTH Dem, keep posting your wildly inaccurate comments and opinions that aren’t supported by one iota of data.
Please do… you’re joining Tommy in the club of morons.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Chestnut,
Clearly you can’t read like Walter. Just because there is a poll that people support a position doesn’t mean they are only thinking about that issue. Oil is not the only issue in this election, and, even if it were there is no difference between the two candidates so it’s a non issue politically. And, as I said above, to the extent most people are thinking about oil they are thinking about the oil companies screwing them. Oil prices go down and gas prices go up. Why? Oil prices are over a 1/3 off their highs yet gas prices still are only about 10-15% off their highs? I’m sure we’ll know why when the oil companies release their quarterly reports.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
The Rasmussen daily, despite it showing Obama leading, is meaningless. As we learned with Gore, the national popular vote doesn’t matter. What matters are the states, to which McCain is in trouble to the point Politico tagged him as “desperate.”
August 30th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
“The base did not all of a sudden call themselves independents.”
Of course not. My dog, also, did not call himself a cat. Moderates who identify largely with the Republican party further moderated and identified themselves as Independents. Independents who identified largely with Democrat policies swung into that camp…. and now everyone is re-settling into their former affiliations. Moderates are leaving the Democrat party. And some Independents are rejoining the Republican party.
Do the Dems have a numbers advantage? Yes. Is it significant? No… not as significant as it was one year ago. Their advantage is eroding.
“Which identifies why independents have left McCain. ”
That is not supported by the data. Not one bit.
“He use to be moderate and a “maverick†Now he’s shifted dramatically right”
This is a bullshit DFL talking point. Repeating that lie won’t make it true.
Even so, Obama ran hard to the Left of Hillary in the primaries for the same reason McCain might have come Right on some issues.
So what.
“Running on issues like pro-life, gay marriage, creationism, etc.”
Name one Republican, EVER, who ran on “creationism.” Please name one.
Beyond that, abortion and unnatural marriage are strong issues. Most of the country rejects both propositions. But please, go ahead and keep your stupid head in the sand and pretend that it’s not effective to run on important issues.
“And, where the hell has he been talkign about FISCAL RESTRAINT?”
Oh, so it IS clear that you haven’t listened to anything McCain has talked about, rather opting for just the mis-information spread by the DFL party. Thanks for clarifying.
McCain has made fiscal restraint a cornerstone of his campaign. Better, he’s got a firm track record on the matter. Your lies won’t change that fact.
“Obama has pledged to do more than merely drill drill drill.”
You’re right… he changed his mind and adopted John McCain’s policy.
“But, that doesn’t help you when you are trying to frame your campaign on the inexperience of your opponent.”
Few are framing their argument against Obama on his experience anymore. There’s a deep well in framing on his lack of judgment… and that’s where this campaign is now focused.
Obama has NO judgment. He has been wrong on every issue, foreign and domestic for the past 2 years. He’s an idiot. He’s a good Democrat.
“McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide.”
I agree he could lose. But it will be anything but a landslide. Be prepared to stay up late election night.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
You really are this stupid, aren’t you plyMOUTH Dem.
“Just because there is a poll that people support a position doesn’t mean they are only thinking about that issue.”
True… but oil and energy are in the top 3 of the election issues, so it’s safe to say the vast majority of folks are thinking about it.
Not only are they thinking about it, they oppose the Democrat response to the issue.
“Oil is not the only issue in this election, and, even if it were there is no difference between the two candidates so it’s a non issue politically.”
It’s a top 3 issue. And you’re kind of right. Obama abandoned his previous, ignorant “do nothing” policy and adopted John McCain’s. I doubt anyone believes that Democrats will follow through, however.
“And, as I said above, to the extent most people are thinking about oil they are thinking about the oil companies screwing them.”
You can keep saying it, but that doesn’t make it true. No data supports that analysis.
You’re retarded.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Yes, Obama changed his position on drilling….. right after McCain did.
As for McCain’s shift right, apparently a DFL and Walter talking point since, if you read, you’d see I was responding to Walter mentioning that he is shifting to conservative base positions because he didn’t think independent / moderate issues would win him the day.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
“This is a bullshit DFL talking point. Repeating that lie won’t make it true.”
Factcheck.org and CQ speak would have to disagree with you there, Mr. 95% in 2007.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
“Yes, Obama changed his position on drilling….. right after McCain did. ”
Bullshit. McCain has ALWAYS supported the broadest-range of solutions… drilling, alternative energy development, nuclear and clean coal.
Thursday night was the first time Obama uttered those solutions in one breath. And it was just a couple weeks ago that he added drilling.
It must be painful to be so abjectly ignorant, plyMOUTH Dem.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Plymouth Democrat:
I can read. Apparently you didn’t go to Real Clear Politics like I suggested. They have every state and average the polls for every state. They then average them and make a call on the states. In this average routine the states go by a vote right now 273 – 265 for Obama. Colorado is the key state!
COLORADO IS THE KEY STATE RIGHT NOW!!!
COLORADO IS THE KEY STATE RIGHT NOW!!!!
You can read that since you apparently don’t think I can read. Using this standard Mccain is winning Ohio, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia states which one of your poll links talks about.
You say I can’t read. Than why does this country consider itself to be conservative by a margin of 60 to 36%. You can read? By a margin of 3 to 2 people consider themselves to be conservative which is why liberals have to dress up policies which have failed in the past like the windfalls profit tax.
You point out a lot of polling data, but when me and Chestnut constantly point out that when polled for drilling for oiling the American people including Democrats want more drilling you pretend that doesn’t exist.
You keep claiming that the country is moving left. Yet question 3d of the battleground poll has been consistent. June 2002 59% said they were conservative. September 2003 59%. April 2004 61%. August 2008 60%. The polling data (and you love pointing out polling data to me) is consistent America considers itself to be conservative.
Plymouth so you think being opposed to gay marriage doesn’t help Republicans. In 2004 Ohio had a version of a constituional amendement that defines marriage as between a man and a woman (something that the Minnesota legistlature won’t allow a vote on). The amendment got a greater percentage of the vote than George Bush did. Some people think this amendment was one of the reasons why Bush won Ohio. California which is a liberal state voted on I believe the year 2000 a state law which their State Supreme Court decided to throw out passed with 59% of the vote.
People believe in the conservative issues that vote for Democrat candidates.
You point out that the Republicans are going to be losing 5-7 senate seats as a sign that the people don’t support those values. Of this projected loss 3 are seats where if the Republican incumbatant had run for reelection they would’ve won easily. A fourth seat is Alaska where I’ll admit the Republican party has screwed up by not kicking Stevens out. Not exactly an out right rejection. Especially since when the Republicans win Colorado, New Hampshire, and Louisiana the loss becomes a lot closer to zero than 5-7. A better sign of this is the House races where despite massive retirements by Republicans the projected loss on one web site right now is just 9 seats and that underestimates the impact of races which the Republicans will win that they aren’t curently projected to win.
Plymouth I’ve been following this campaign for months. Mccain after he got the nomination secured and started his effort to try to gain ground on Obama was telling people such as Sean Hannity that he was going to be getting lots of votes by talking about issues like global warming. The polls weren’t moving.
Mccain changed his focus to drilling, the Saddleback debate perform on moral issues, during the Democrat convention he had commercials on taxes needed not to be raised. The race tightened. In some polls he had a national lead just before the Democrat convention. Focusing on the conservative issues moved his numbers.
You say I’m delussional. I’m the rational person. You’re the delussional one since you can’t read the polling data that me and Chestnut keep giving you. Keep in mind Tommy Johnson who normally is willing to stick his neck out and make pointless arguments has deserted you on this.
I’m sticking my neck out right now.
President Mccain wins an electoral victory with around 285 electoral votes versus 253 for Obama at a minimum.
Senate races a maximum of a two seat loss.
The scenarios you were quoting of Republicans losing a big landslide was the news months ago.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 30th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Oooops!!!
The McCain campaign has pulled in over $7 mil since Governor Palin was announced as running mate (yesterday).
And libs just CANNOT shut up about her.
The base just got re-energized, and they are not going to sit out this year.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
“And libs just CANNOT shut up about her.”
That’s not really a good thing for the GOP. Democrats would gladly like to make this election about Sarah Palin.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
She’ll energize the James Dobson/Michele Bachmann crowd.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
someone hallucinated: “Especially with Sarah educating the public that wants to listen about oil exploration.”
Sarah will be too busy educating science students in creationism:
“OK, kids, today we’re going to learn about how the Earth is 6,000 years old. And tomorrow, the story of how we don’t need no stinking Endangered Species Act because we’ve got Noah’s Ark.”
August 31st, 2008 at 5:38 am
George:
You’re the person who is hallucinated. She didn’t spend a single second talking about creationism on her speech on Friday. She did talk about energy.
Of course if you, Obama, and the rest of the Democrats keep hallucinating the Republicans will have an easy time getting our victory in November.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 31st, 2008 at 9:29 am
” I can read. Apparently you didn’t go to Real Clear Politics”
Walter, what the hell are you talking about? Real clear politics has it: 228 Obama, 185 McCain with 125 Toss Up. Many of those toss-ups are traditional REPUBLICAN states. Virginia, NM, NC. And many in the McCain column are barely McCain including huge Republican strong holds like Montana, ND, Georgia, and Indiana.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
“Ohio, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia”
Your scenario assumes McCain wins all of those states? So, if he wins every huge swing state it’ still comes down to a single state? That wouldn’t make me feel comfortable as McCain.
“You say I can’t read. Than why does this country consider itself to be conservative by a margin of 60 to 36%. You can read? By a margin of 3 to 2 people consider themselves to be conservative which is why liberals have to dress up policies which have failed in the past like the windfalls profit tax.”
I have no idea what poll you are citing, but, it’s clearly not accurate and it clearly has no relation to their voting preference for Obama. Best case scenario, it tells us that over 20% of people who say they are “conservative” are voting Obama. Not good.
“Keep in mind Tommy Johnson who normally is willing to stick his neck out and make pointless arguments has deserted you on this.”
Tommy would abandon me anytime he can’t talk about property taxes for Coleman. That’s hardly a gauge of my argument.
” President Mccain wins an electoral victory with around 285 electoral votes versus 253 for Obama at a minimum. Senate races a maximum of a two seat loss.”
Oh man, I’m going to love pointing this out to you in November.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:32 am
“You’re the person who is hallucinated. She didn’t spend a single second talking about creationism on her speech on Friday. She did talk about energy.”
Walter,
She’ll be talking about creationism because people are going to ask her about it given her past support for teaching it in schools. Just like they are going to ask her about not knowing what the VP does.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:35 am
“Bullshit. McCain has ALWAYS supported the broadest-range of solutions… drilling, alternative energy development, nuclear and clean coal.”
Are you that ill-informed Chestnut? McCain voted against OCS and ANWR drilling repeatedly before switching his stance last summer. Why the hell do you think he’s not beating Obama over the head on switching his stance on drilling? Perhaps because he did?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Plymouth Democrat:
Thank you for proving my point you can’t read.
I said use the “no toss up” which awareds the state to the leader. Mccain is awarded Ohio because he’s ahead! Mccain is awarded Virginia because he’s ahead. In the criteria you’re pointing out is the lead is within the margin of error of the polls so they call it a toss.
You were claiming that Mccain was losing Ohio when he’s winning. You claimed that Mccain was barely ahead in Arizona when he had a double digit lead.
Once again when you’re commenting about I don’t know that poll I told you it WAS THE BATTLE GROUND POLL QUESTION 3D. THAT IS BATTLE GROUND POLL QUESTION 3D. Lets see if I can do this right. It is a bi-partisan poll by the way.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_biggest_missing_story_in_p.html
I look forward to November when I’m going to be shown to be right. Keep in mind Obama if this was the Democrat year you think it was he would have huge leads in states like Ohio, Florida, etc. He’s losing now. This election will be close like 2004. In the end Mccain will pull it out.
Yes Mccain was opposed to drilling, but he has been changing his mind in part because he has seen the light. Mind you his opposition to drilling in ANWR is because he foolishly thinks it’s like drilling in the Grand Canyon because groups like the Sierra club. That’s why as Sarah educates the public the Sierra Club’s phony case will be exposed like never before. The fact that the public as a whole supports drilling in ANWR now is proof that case is crumpling. What is stopping it from changing is that the Democrats are so married to big environment they want to screw the American people.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
August 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Oh Walter.
You are quoting commentary from American Thinker as being bipartisan — and relying on a poll conducted before either candidate even selected their VP? August 20th?
Ha.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Plymout Democrat:
Once again you proved that you can’t read.
This is a bi-partisan poll that has been done for YEARS! You seem to think that Obama giving his speech will magically change it. The next time this poll comes out you will have that 20% margin once again.
This question has been in the poll for years!
This question has had a consistent result that the margin of people who consider themselves to be conservative out number liberals by 20% over the years. That’s why Obama has to try to disguise his liberal agenda.
Of course we now know you can’t read little alone think.
HA!!!!
HA!!!!!!
HA!!!!!!!
HA!!!!!!!
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
September 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
“This is a bi-partisan poll that has been done for YEARS! You seem to think that Obama giving his speech will magically change it. The next time this poll comes out you will have that 20% margin once again.”
Walter, I generally refrain from calling people dumn on this board but I’m finding it hard to do so with you.
I said you are relying on commentary from a political hack website. I get that you think the spin on the poll is bipartisan–especially considering your posts make clear you only watch Fox for your news. As I said above, there are two reasons this piece of polling data is dumb (as are those who support their arguments with it:
(1) it has no connection to people’s presidential voting, if it did, the only thing it shows is that some 20-30% of people who say they are conservative are voting for OBAMA; and
(2) The poll you rely on is from BEFORE either candidate has picked a VP. Who the hell cares if it has been asked for years or that it is asked by a democrat and republican strategist when you are relying on a dated poll.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Typo… dumn being dumb.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:37 am
Plymouth Democrat:
You know it hurts being called a dummy by the dummy!
For starters as more polls came out the margin isn’t the eight percent you claim. CNN has the margin as just 1%. Oh my God according to you I’m not suppose to be using CNN for my news! Rassmussen has it just at 3%! Oh I forgot according to you I can’t use them since they’re not Fox News! You see I use other sources than Fox.
Now you claimed that this country is becoming more liberal. I was using a bi-partisian poll done by Democrat pollster Celinda Lake and Republican pollster Ed Goeas (I’m sorry I’ve been trying to use something that isn’t FOX news that must be why you’re trying to ignore it). What makes the battleground poll so unique is that they they have been asking the same questions in every poll including do you consider yourself to be very conservative, some what conservative, moderate, somewhat liberal, and very liberal. The margin has consistently been more than plus 20% in favor of conservative over liberal. The margin in August was 60% versus 36% even though the public isn’t happy with Bush Adminstration. The reason why you don’t want to care is you don’t want to admit that a poll which isn’t done by Fox News show that people consider themselves over serveral years to be conservative by a large margin. Your claim that the country is becoming more liberal is totally rebutted by this poll!
Because of this massive difference which even Democrats recognize they realize to win elections they have to try to disguise their message so they can get some of the people who consider themselves to be conservative to vote for the liberal. Obama is trying to do that! The Democrats in 2006 to win control of Congress did that.
I can try to type slower if it will help to
understand this point which you’re trying to ignore.
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN