You know it hurts being called a dummy by the dummy!

For starters as more polls came out the margin isn’t the eight percent you claim. CNN has the margin as just 1%. Oh my God according to you I’m not suppose to be using CNN for my news! Rassmussen has it just at 3%! Oh I forgot according to you I can’t use them since they’re not Fox News! You see I use other sources than Fox.

Now you claimed that this country is becoming more liberal. I was using a bi-partisian poll done by Democrat pollster Celinda Lake and Republican pollster Ed Goeas (I’m sorry I’ve been trying to use something that isn’t FOX news that must be why you’re trying to ignore it). What makes the battleground poll so unique is that they they have been asking the same questions in every poll including do you consider yourself to be very conservative, some what conservative, moderate, somewhat liberal, and very liberal. The margin has consistently been more than plus 20% in favor of conservative over liberal. The margin in August was 60% versus 36% even though the public isn’t happy with Bush Adminstration. The reason why you don’t want to care is you don’t want to admit that a poll which isn’t done by Fox News show that people consider themselves over serveral years to be conservative by a large margin. Your claim that the country is becoming more liberal is totally rebutted by this poll!

Because of this massive difference which even Democrats recognize they realize to win elections they have to try to disguise their message so they can get some of the people who consider themselves to be conservative to vote for the liberal. Obama is trying to do that! The Democrats in 2006 to win control of Congress did that.

I can try to type slower if it will help to
understand this point which you’re trying to ignore.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

Walter, I generally refrain from calling people dumn on this board but I’m finding it hard to do so with you.

I said you are relying on commentary from a political hack website. I get that you think the spin on the poll is bipartisan–especially considering your posts make clear you only watch Fox for your news. As I said above, there are two reasons this piece of polling data is dumb (as are those who support their arguments with it:

(1) it has no connection to people’s presidential voting, if it did, the only thing it shows is that some 20-30% of people who say they are conservative are voting for OBAMA; and

(2) The poll you rely on is from BEFORE either candidate has picked a VP. Who the hell cares if it has been asked for years or that it is asked by a democrat and republican strategist when you are relying on a dated poll.

Once again you proved that you can’t read.

This is a bi-partisan poll that has been done for YEARS! You seem to think that Obama giving his speech will magically change it. The next time this poll comes out you will have that 20% margin once again.

This question has been in the poll for years!

This question has had a consistent result that the margin of people who consider themselves to be conservative out number liberals by 20% over the years. That’s why Obama has to try to disguise his liberal agenda.

Of course we now know you can’t read little alone think.

HA!!!!

HA!!!!!!

HA!!!!!!!

HA!!!!!!!

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

You are quoting commentary from American Thinker as being bipartisan — and relying on a poll conducted before either candidate even selected their VP? August 20th?

Ha.

Thank you for proving my point you can’t read.
I said use the “no toss up” which awareds the state to the leader. Mccain is awarded Ohio because he’s ahead! Mccain is awarded Virginia because he’s ahead. In the criteria you’re pointing out is the lead is within the margin of error of the polls so they call it a toss.

You were claiming that Mccain was losing Ohio when he’s winning. You claimed that Mccain was barely ahead in Arizona when he had a double digit lead.

Once again when you’re commenting about I don’t know that poll I told you it WAS THE BATTLE GROUND POLL QUESTION 3D. THAT IS BATTLE GROUND POLL QUESTION 3D. Lets see if I can do this right. It is a bi-partisan poll by the way.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_biggest_missing_story_in_p.html

I look forward to November when I’m going to be shown to be right. Keep in mind Obama if this was the Democrat year you think it was he would have huge leads in states like Ohio, Florida, etc. He’s losing now. This election will be close like 2004. In the end Mccain will pull it out.

Yes Mccain was opposed to drilling, but he has been changing his mind in part because he has seen the light. Mind you his opposition to drilling in ANWR is because he foolishly thinks it’s like drilling in the Grand Canyon because groups like the Sierra club. That’s why as Sarah educates the public the Sierra Club’s phony case will be exposed like never before. The fact that the public as a whole supports drilling in ANWR now is proof that case is crumpling. What is stopping it from changing is that the Democrats are so married to big environment they want to screw the American people.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

Are you that ill-informed Chestnut? McCain voted against OCS and ANWR drilling repeatedly before switching his stance last summer. Why the hell do you think he’s not beating Obama over the head on switching his stance on drilling? Perhaps because he did?

Walter,

She’ll be talking about creationism because people are going to ask her about it given her past support for teaching it in schools. Just like they are going to ask her about not knowing what the VP does.

Walter, what the hell are you talking about? Real clear politics has it: 228 Obama, 185 McCain with 125 Toss Up. Many of those toss-ups are traditional REPUBLICAN states. Virginia, NM, NC. And many in the McCain column are barely McCain including huge Republican strong holds like Montana, ND, Georgia, and Indiana.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

“Ohio, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia”

Your scenario assumes McCain wins all of those states? So, if he wins every huge swing state it’ still comes down to a single state? That wouldn’t make me feel comfortable as McCain.

“You say I can’t read. Than why does this country consider itself to be conservative by a margin of 60 to 36%. You can read? By a margin of 3 to 2 people consider themselves to be conservative which is why liberals have to dress up policies which have failed in the past like the windfalls profit tax.”

I have no idea what poll you are citing, but, it’s clearly not accurate and it clearly has no relation to their voting preference for Obama. Best case scenario, it tells us that over 20% of people who say they are “conservative” are voting Obama. Not good.

“Keep in mind Tommy Johnson who normally is willing to stick his neck out and make pointless arguments has deserted you on this.”

Tommy would abandon me anytime he can’t talk about property taxes for Coleman. That’s hardly a gauge of my argument.

” President Mccain wins an electoral victory with around 285 electoral votes versus 253 for Obama at a minimum. Senate races a maximum of a two seat loss.”

Oh man, I’m going to love pointing this out to you in November.

You’re the person who is hallucinated. She didn’t spend a single second talking about creationism on her speech on Friday. She did talk about energy.

Of course if you, Obama, and the rest of the Democrats keep hallucinating the Republicans will have an easy time getting our victory in November.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

Sarah will be too busy educating science students in creationism:

“OK, kids, today we’re going to learn about how the Earth is 6,000 years old. And tomorrow, the story of how we don’t need no stinking Endangered Species Act because we’ve got Noah’s Ark.”

That’s not really a good thing for the GOP. Democrats would gladly like to make this election about Sarah Palin.

The McCain campaign has pulled in over $7 mil since Governor Palin was announced as running mate (yesterday).

And libs just CANNOT shut up about her.

The base just got re-energized, and they are not going to sit out this year.

I can read. Apparently you didn’t go to Real Clear Politics like I suggested. They have every state and average the polls for every state. They then average them and make a call on the states. In this average routine the states go by a vote right now 273 – 265 for Obama. Colorado is the key state!

COLORADO IS THE KEY STATE RIGHT NOW!!!

COLORADO IS THE KEY STATE RIGHT NOW!!!!

You can read that since you apparently don’t think I can read. Using this standard Mccain is winning Ohio, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia states which one of your poll links talks about.

You say I can’t read. Than why does this country consider itself to be conservative by a margin of 60 to 36%. You can read? By a margin of 3 to 2 people consider themselves to be conservative which is why liberals have to dress up policies which have failed in the past like the windfalls profit tax.

You point out a lot of polling data, but when me and Chestnut constantly point out that when polled for drilling for oiling the American people including Democrats want more drilling you pretend that doesn’t exist.

You keep claiming that the country is moving left. Yet question 3d of the battleground poll has been consistent. June 2002 59% said they were conservative. September 2003 59%. April 2004 61%. August 2008 60%. The polling data (and you love pointing out polling data to me) is consistent America considers itself to be conservative.

Plymouth so you think being opposed to gay marriage doesn’t help Republicans. In 2004 Ohio had a version of a constituional amendement that defines marriage as between a man and a woman (something that the Minnesota legistlature won’t allow a vote on). The amendment got a greater percentage of the vote than George Bush did. Some people think this amendment was one of the reasons why Bush won Ohio. California which is a liberal state voted on I believe the year 2000 a state law which their State Supreme Court decided to throw out passed with 59% of the vote.
People believe in the conservative issues that vote for Democrat candidates.

You point out that the Republicans are going to be losing 5-7 senate seats as a sign that the people don’t support those values. Of this projected loss 3 are seats where if the Republican incumbatant had run for reelection they would’ve won easily. A fourth seat is Alaska where I’ll admit the Republican party has screwed up by not kicking Stevens out. Not exactly an out right rejection. Especially since when the Republicans win Colorado, New Hampshire, and Louisiana the loss becomes a lot closer to zero than 5-7. A better sign of this is the House races where despite massive retirements by Republicans the projected loss on one web site right now is just 9 seats and that underestimates the impact of races which the Republicans will win that they aren’t curently projected to win.

Plymouth I’ve been following this campaign for months. Mccain after he got the nomination secured and started his effort to try to gain ground on Obama was telling people such as Sean Hannity that he was going to be getting lots of votes by talking about issues like global warming. The polls weren’t moving.

Mccain changed his focus to drilling, the Saddleback debate perform on moral issues, during the Democrat convention he had commercials on taxes needed not to be raised. The race tightened. In some polls he had a national lead just before the Democrat convention. Focusing on the conservative issues moved his numbers.

You say I’m delussional. I’m the rational person. You’re the delussional one since you can’t read the polling data that me and Chestnut keep giving you. Keep in mind Tommy Johnson who normally is willing to stick his neck out and make pointless arguments has deserted you on this.

I’m sticking my neck out right now.

President Mccain wins an electoral victory with around 285 electoral votes versus 253 for Obama at a minimum.

Senate races a maximum of a two seat loss.

The scenarios you were quoting of Republicans losing a big landslide was the news months ago.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

Bullshit. McCain has ALWAYS supported the broadest-range of solutions… drilling, alternative energy development, nuclear and clean coal.

Thursday night was the first time Obama uttered those solutions in one breath. And it was just a couple weeks ago that he added drilling.

It must be painful to be so abjectly ignorant, plyMOUTH Dem.

Factcheck.org and CQ speak would have to disagree with you there, Mr. 95% in 2007.

As for McCain’s shift right, apparently a DFL and Walter talking point since, if you read, you’d see I was responding to Walter mentioning that he is shifting to conservative base positions because he didn’t think independent / moderate issues would win him the day.

“Just because there is a poll that people support a position doesn’t mean they are only thinking about that issue.”

True… but oil and energy are in the top 3 of the election issues, so it’s safe to say the vast majority of folks are thinking about it.

Not only are they thinking about it, they oppose the Democrat response to the issue.

“Oil is not the only issue in this election, and, even if it were there is no difference between the two candidates so it’s a non issue politically.”

It’s a top 3 issue. And you’re kind of right. Obama abandoned his previous, ignorant “do nothing” policy and adopted John McCain’s. I doubt anyone believes that Democrats will follow through, however.

“And, as I said above, to the extent most people are thinking about oil they are thinking about the oil companies screwing them.”

You can keep saying it, but that doesn’t make it true. No data supports that analysis.

You’re retarded.

Of course not. My dog, also, did not call himself a cat. Moderates who identify largely with the Republican party further moderated and identified themselves as Independents. Independents who identified largely with Democrat policies swung into that camp…. and now everyone is re-settling into their former affiliations. Moderates are leaving the Democrat party. And some Independents are rejoining the Republican party.

Do the Dems have a numbers advantage? Yes. Is it significant? No… not as significant as it was one year ago. Their advantage is eroding.

“Which identifies why independents have left McCain. ”

That is not supported by the data. Not one bit.

“He use to be moderate and a “maverick” Now he’s shifted dramatically right”

This is a bullshit DFL talking point. Repeating that lie won’t make it true.

Even so, Obama ran hard to the Left of Hillary in the primaries for the same reason McCain might have come Right on some issues.

So what.

“Running on issues like pro-life, gay marriage, creationism, etc.”

Name one Republican, EVER, who ran on “creationism.” Please name one.

Beyond that, abortion and unnatural marriage are strong issues. Most of the country rejects both propositions. But please, go ahead and keep your stupid head in the sand and pretend that it’s not effective to run on important issues.

“And, where the hell has he been talkign about FISCAL RESTRAINT?”

Oh, so it IS clear that you haven’t listened to anything McCain has talked about, rather opting for just the mis-information spread by the DFL party. Thanks for clarifying.

McCain has made fiscal restraint a cornerstone of his campaign. Better, he’s got a firm track record on the matter. Your lies won’t change that fact.

“Obama has pledged to do more than merely drill drill drill.”

You’re right… he changed his mind and adopted John McCain’s policy.

“But, that doesn’t help you when you are trying to frame your campaign on the inexperience of your opponent.”

Few are framing their argument against Obama on his experience anymore. There’s a deep well in framing on his lack of judgment… and that’s where this campaign is now focused.

Obama has NO judgment. He has been wrong on every issue, foreign and domestic for the past 2 years. He’s an idiot. He’s a good Democrat.

“McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide.”

I agree he could lose. But it will be anything but a landslide. Be prepared to stay up late election night.

Clearly you can’t read like Walter. Just because there is a poll that people support a position doesn’t mean they are only thinking about that issue. Oil is not the only issue in this election, and, even if it were there is no difference between the two candidates so it’s a non issue politically. And, as I said above, to the extent most people are thinking about oil they are thinking about the oil companies screwing them. Oil prices go down and gas prices go up. Why? Oil prices are over a 1/3 off their highs yet gas prices still are only about 10-15% off their highs? I’m sure we’ll know why when the oil companies release their quarterly reports.

Please do… you’re joining Tommy in the club of morons.

“Sixty nine percent of Americans now favor an increase in offshore oil drilling, and just 30 percent oppose it, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll published in early August 2008.”

But you’re probably right. Nobody is thinking about oil, except for how their getting screwed…. getting screwed by Democrats who oppose EVER MEASURE

I, again, put my money on you being “dumb.” The entire country is thinking oil.

There hasn’t been a poll since she was picked so there are no numbers.”

BULLSHIT. Rassmussen’s latest was taken after Obama’s speech and after Palin was picked. He’s got only a 4 point bounce from the convention.

Moreover, last week there were two polls that showed self-identified Democrats decreasing.

Ignorance is bliss for you PD.

“the national polls show an 8 point lead for Obama”

Before the Palin pick. Since then, it’s decreased to a 4 point lead, per today’s Rassumusen poll.

You’re either dumb, or lying. I’m going to put my money on “dumb” for right now.

“this could be a significant electoral landslide.”

NOTHING supports that assertion.

“Unfortunately for McCain the country is moving left not right.”

NOTHING supports that assertion.

I think Politico said it best:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html

“He’s desperate: Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states like Indiana and Montana the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.

McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide. That is the private view of Democrats and Republicans alike.”

OH SNAP! You got me there!

“You point out that the number of identified Republicans are down. That’s because they went and became independents because they weren’t happy with the drift away from Republican values.
Mccain is talking about those values and will pull them in!”

No. The base did not all of a sudden call themselves independents. Moderate republicans (namely, social moderate but fiscal conservatives) have abandoned the republicans. Religious whack jobs continue to associates themselves with republicans. Moving the party back to creationists doesn’t capture you independents and it sure as hell won’t get you the Clinton voting block.

“You claim that John Mccain has drifted to the right. Not exactly what he has done he has realized that the liberal issues that he wanted to run on such as global warming wasn’t winning him votes. What has given him momentum is talking about real spending restraint (A republican value), being prolife (a republican value), winning the war on terror (a republican value). The fact these are right wing values is what makes you think he has moved dramtically to the right when he hasn’t.”

Which identifies why independents have left McCain. He use to be moderate and a “maverick” Now he’s shifted dramatically right to shore up the base. This was a politically dumb move. Why would you run toward s shrinking party when you should be trying to enlarge it? Running on issues like pro-life, gay marriage, creationism, etc. does not expand your party. And, where the hell has he been talkign about FISCAL RESTRAINT?

“One thing you don’t seem to understand the battleground poll came out recently (this is a bi-partisan poll) and they usually ask the same questions every time. One question is D3 which is what do you consider yourself to be. By a margin of 60% to 36% they consider themselves to be conservative. Keep in mind John Mccain is trying to appeal to the 60%. You and Obama want to appeal to the 36%.”

What poll? Here’s the state by state CQ poll and it looks pretty crappy for McCain:
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2008/08/latest-statebystate-general-el-44.html

Most people do call them selves FISCAL conservatives. The label means crap. It’s who they are going to vote for. Most people do not consider themselves part of the Christian Right.

“Being a liberal is a minority in America. Which is way your liberal candidates have to try to dress up your liberal policies as being good.”

Please… that’s why the GOP would think losing 5-7 senate seats a moral victory? Republicans are suffering in race after race, including in Minnesota.

“And the fact is Obama doesn’t have an energy policy. So don’t give me bull when people support drilling even democrats and even in ANWR that you think not drilling is the correct policy to call for.”

Yes, he has NO energy policy. Keep spewing Republican idiocy. The reality is that the candidates are almost identical — except Obama has pledged to do more than merely drill drill drill.

“First of all she is more experienced than Obama!

Keep telling yourself that — that a less than 2 year governor of Alaska is more experienced. Or, perhaps we should add in her term as a mayor of a town of 6,000. No one is trying to argue that she is more experienced as Obama. At best, people have TRIED to argue she’s as experienced as Obama. But, that doesn’t help you when you are trying to frame your campaign on the inexperience of your opponent.

“Second the argument by Mccain isn’t the experience it’s the fact that Obama is wrong on oil, Obama is wrong on taxes, Obama is wrong foreign policy etc. That is the argument that Obama is going to lose.”

He’s not going to lose on oil because his position is almost identical as McCain. He’s not going to lose on taxes because the majority of the country is fed up with the status quo economic policies. And, he’s not going to lose on foreign policy because he’s not going to be associated with the debacle in Iraq and consequently Afghanistan.

“Especially with Sarah educating the public that wants to listen about oil exploration.”

Yes, people don’t want to hear about the economy, housing, health care, iraq, terrorism, Afghanistan, Russia/Georgia, civil liberties, urban crime, the rich poor gap, etc. they ONLY want to hear about drilling. You are delusional Walter Hanson of Minneapolis, MN.

Quit lying!

Go to Real Clear Politics.

Rasmussen has a poll that shows the margin is just four points. And the gallup poll you site has Obama with his convention bounce and Mccain not having his convention yet.

Mccain in the real clear politics average has a 11.7% lead in Arizona. Oh I guess if that’s barely winning by your defintion Obama can’t be winning!

Mccain has narrow leads in Virginia (a battle ground state which Obama wants to win), North Carolina (a battle ground state which Obama wants to win), Florida (a battle ground state which Obama wants to win), Nevada (a battle ground state which Obama wants to win), and Ohio the state Kerry needed to be President. That’s five or six. The projected electoral count right now is 273 Obama 265 for Mccain. Obama has a very small lead in the battle ground state of Colorda. But come November Colorado will be Mccain terrority along with a couple of other state which Obama is winning now. The map is a whole lot favorable for a President Mccain instead of a President Obama.

Of course I don’t know what data you’re getting from your home planet which is Mars or Pluto.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

I live on a planet called Earth. Just curious do you live on Mars? Pluto?

You point out that the number of identified Republicans are down. That’s because they went and became independents because they weren’t happy with the drift away from Republican values.
Mccain is talking about those values and will pull them in!

You claim that John Mccain has drifted to the right. Not exactly what he has done he has realized that the liberal issues that he wanted to run on such as global warming wasn’t winning him votes. What has given him momentum is talking about real spending restraint (A republican value), being prolife (a republican value), winning the war on terror (a republican value). The fact these are right wing values is what makes you think he has moved dramtically to the right when he hasn’t.

One thing you don’t seem to understand the battleground poll came out recently (this is a bi-partisan poll) and they usually ask the same questions every time. One question is D3 which is what do you consider yourself to be. By a margin of 60% to 36% they consider themselves to be conservative. Keep in mind John Mccain is trying to appeal to the 60%. You and Obama want to appeal to the 36%.

Being a liberal is a minority in America. Which is way your liberal candidates have to try to dress up your liberal policies as being good.

And the fact is Obama doesn’t have an energy policy. So don’t give me bull when people support drilling even democrats and even in ANWR that you think not drilling is the correct policy to call for.

The point is even before I went to the internet yesterday it was the Democrats who were already commenting that Pallin was inexperience.
First of all she is more experienced than Obama! Second the argument by Mccain isn’t the experience it’s the fact that Obama is wrong on oil, Obama is wrong on taxes, Obama is wrong foreign policy etc. That is the argument that Obama is going to lose.

Especially with Sarah educating the public that wants to listen about oil exploration.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

A) No one except republicans are thinking “oil oil oil.” Most americans are thinking about oil, but oniy in the context of how oil companies are screwing them. Can someone explain to me why gas is still $3.65+ a gallon when oil prices are almost 1/3 off their highs? Oil companies. Guess who’s going to release another round of record profits before election day? Oil companies.

B) Both candidates are essentially the same — it’s just Obama sees drilling as a short term bridge as compared to a panacea.

There hasn’t been a poll since she was picked so there are no numbers. As with pulling even, the national polls show an 8 point lead for Obama but that’s not why McCain is in deep trouble. He’s tied or losing all of the battle ground states and he’s barely winning in traditional GOP states like Montana. Even ARIZONA is competitive. As it is now, this could be a significant electoral landslide.

“Are you fucking kidding? The Democrat party has moved to the extreme LEFT. McCain is solid Center, no matter how much Democrats try to lie otherwise. The GOP ticket is center-Right in a center-Right country. The only thing Barak has going for him is that pretty bow that says “EEOC Candidate” on it. ”

Unfortunately for McCain the country is moving left not right. Even if you are right that Obama is left the way you win is move center to capture independents. McCain blundered by moving right. And, you know he’s moved right when Dobson goes from “I won’t vote for him” to being ecstatic about the ticket. Dumb move.

The numbers have decreased, but not significantly. The latest polls show significant in self-identified Democrats, right now.

“The point is that the base can’t save the GOP because the base has significantly eroded and the moderates have peeled off to be independents who will be pushed away by a social conservative on the ticket.”

Too bad for you, that assertion isn’t supported by any of the data. Were it but that line if crap were true, we wouldn’t see McCain drawing nearly even and sometimes ahead of ObamaNothing.

” So, I don’t think most Americans will think that she will be speaking for them if she is linked to oil.”

The Big Oil line is bullshit on its face. However, your assertion ignores the fact that she’s taken on oil companies in Alaska. She’s not connected to them in any shape or form.

You’re pretty ignorant spouting this crap.

“The break off will be because the republican ticket moved significantly more right.”

Are you fucking kidding? The Democrat party has moved to the extreme LEFT. McCain is solid Center, no matter how much Democrats try to lie otherwise. The GOP ticket is center-Right in a center-Right country. The only thing Barak has going for him is that pretty bow that says “EEOC Candidate” on it.

“Drilling for oil is not a lot of people’s top issue”

Again, are you stupid, or just dishonest. Energy policy is THE TOP issue for most Americans right now. And 68 percent say DRILL NOW!!!

“Candidates typically run to the center during a general.”

True. Thus Barak Obama running as a communist during the primary, and now lying his way to the Center now.

“McCain has moved quite right in order to save the base. ”

Bullshit.

You’re an idiot, PD. You don’t know shit. And what you do know, you can’t even manage a cogent analysis for. You’re beyond ridiculous.

Except the number of self-identified republicans has shrunk incredibly since 2004 or 2006. The point is that the base can’t save the GOP because the base has significantly eroded and the moderates have peeled off to be independents who will be pushed away by a social conservative on the ticket.

“You talk about how Republicans need to have somebody who doesn’t speak for big oil. Sarah Pallin speaks for Americans”

I don’t think most American’s associate themselves with oil companies. So, I don’t think most Americans will think that she will be speaking for them if she is linked to oil.

“You comment that moderates and independents will now desert Mccain. Keep in mind in a country that is suppose to be bitterly divided Republicans, Democrats,and Independents all agree that there should be more drilling. Even in ANWR.”

You aren’t reading again. The break off will be because the republican ticket moved significantly more right. Drilling for oil is not a lot of people’s top issue (besides apparently you) and it CERTAINLY not their ONLY issue. Candidates typically run to the center during a general. McCain has moved quite right in order to save the base. The trade-off with moving the party right is that it peels off independents. I make the argument that he needed indepdnents far more than crazy right wingers who would have voted for him anywhere.

” The fact that she is a better speaker than Obama is the cherry on the top.”

No one (at least besides you) actually thinks her speaking is better than Obama. She’s not nearly as horrible as Bush, but, she’s not Obama. Even republicans admit he’s far better of a speaker than her.

“This pick shows just how unqualified Obama is to be President.”

WHAT? How does it do that? It certainly impedes McCain from making the inexperience argument. But, unless you are arguing that by nominating completely inexperienced highlights the fact that Obama is inexperienced, I don’t know what you are talking about.

Keep in mind the reason why I dragged Kerry’s military history into this was someone had commented about the lieing swift boat veterans and how it should be reacted to. I correctly pointed out that the reason why they were hated was they exposed the vaults in Kerry’s military.

The second thing I was pointing out was that Democrats had a scale where the military service didn’t matter in 1992 and 1996 when war heroes were running. In 2004 the Democrats cared a war hero was on the ballot (only he wasn’t). John Mccain by the way is a real war hero. That isn’t in dispute.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

Keep in mind the reason why I dragged Kerry’s military history into this was someone had commented about the lieing swift boat veterans and how it should be reacted to. I correctly pointed out that the reason why they were hated was they exposed the vaults in Kerry’s military.

The second thing I was pointing out was that Democrats had a scale where the military service didn’t matter in 1992 and 1996 when war heroes were running. In 2004 the Democrats cared a war hero was on the ballot (only he wasn’t). John Mccain by the way is a real war hero. That isn’t in dispute.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

Obama = “Epitome of Tokenism”

And hey George… Would you care for a side of libel with that heaping helping of stupid your chomping on?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/08/30/palin/

Palin=”Epitome of Tokenism”

Obama vs Palin

http://tinyurl.com/6hseb2

At age 30, a 1-in-1,000 chance.

At age 35, a 1-in-..400 chance.

At age 40, a 1-in-..100 chance.

At age 45, a 1-in-…30 chance.

At age 49, a 1-in-…10 chance.

She could become the first Vice-presidential Candidate [that I know of] of the current two major parties to become pregnant while campaigning for office.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Boy are you so wrong.

You talk about the base being excited doesn’t matter. In 2006 the Republicans lost because the base wasn’t happy while the Democrat base (especially the antiwar nuts) were excited. Karl Rove thought the election of 2000 didn’t go as expected because over a million votes that he expected to show up didn’t. In 2004 the base was excited and worked the Republicans won. Democrats were talking for months look at how excited their base was than the Republicans. So don’t give bull about that.

You talk about how Republicans need to have somebody who doesn’t speak for big oil. Sarah Pallin speaks for Americans. How about you ask the Democrat party not to speak for the policies of the Sierra Club. You don’t care. You want the price of gasoline to be what $5? $10? $20?

You comment that moderates and independents will now desert Mccain. Keep in mind in a country that is suppose to be bitterly divided Republicans, Democrats,and Independents all agree that there should be more drilling. Even in ANWR. Which party speaks for more drilling and will eventually get more votes? It isn’t the Democrats. And over the next two months as Sarah Pallin educates the country what will happen by drilling the country will learn that Obama doesn’t have an energy policy. He only talks about.

The fact that she is a better speaker than Obama is the cherry on the top.

This pick shows just how unqualified Obama is to be President.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

“I wonder how many men who had served a couple years as community agitators before serving as a state legislature for a year and voting mostly “present” before a 100 day stint as U.S. Senator were seriously considered for the Democrat nomination.

My guess is zero.

So, were it not for party platform that is based on discrimination in hiring based on race, the top name on the ticket is an EEOC candidate black man who appears to be woefully unqualified to be even the dog catcher of any other town, let alone President.”

My guess is zero.

So, despite a party platform that objects to hirings based on gender, the top name on the ticket rejects the platform and takes a flier on a woman who appears to be woefully unqualified to be even the governor of any other state, let alone Vice President.

““Today, THE DEMOCRAT PARTY put the former CHICAGO-BASED COMMUNITY AGITATOR with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. BARAK OBAMA shares JOSEPH STALIN’S commitment to overturning THE FREE MARKET ECONOMY, the agenda of BLOOD SUCKING TRIAL LAWYERS and continuing JIMMY CARTER’S failed policies — that’s not the change we need, it’s just more of the same SOCIALISM.”