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BURIED IN A BALLOON DROP
By Michael B. Brodkorb | September 5, 2008
This is just for fun, but media reports indicate that tonight’s balloon drop at the Republican National Convention was one of the biggest ever at a political convention. The video is coming soon.
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September 5th, 2008 at 1:43 AM
Were people’s allergies checked out before the balloons were dropped?
What were the balloons made of?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:54 AM
That’s quite the story.
September 5th, 2008 at 7:28 AM
they were thought baloons. inside them were such hidden thoughts as: “he’s not really a maverick after flip-flopping so much on the issues”; “maybe we should defend the constitution instead of trashing it”; and “how did we become the torture party?”
September 5th, 2008 at 7:40 AM
I love how THIS is the take-away of the evening. Some people spoke and then we had the LARGEST BALLOON DROP IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!
Even MBB can’t muster anything great to say about McCain’s snooze fest.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:40 AM
John McCain’s speech was loaded with anecdotes and tales of what makes America great – moments of grit, and humor, and appreciation. It was a speech that showed his policy vision – on school choice, on energy independence, worker retraining, taxes, and a stirring call to national service, that generated a roar that actually equaled the climax of Sarah Palin’s address.
McCain connected better with the American people on an emotional level than Obama did. And nothing matters more than that.
McCain seemed more real and more sincere than Obama, and he seemed to be speaking more from the heart
This is the man. This is what he will be as President.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:46 AM
Snooze fest? Mac’s acceptance speech had more substance in it than a whole campaign’s worth of Obama’s speeches did. Does McCain have the Hollywood-style delivery that Obama does? Nope. Does America need another Hollywood entertainer? Pardon me for choosing a LEADER instead.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:50 AM
An American hero vs a Community Organizer.
Jeez, that’s a tough choice.
By the way, how are those unwashed, unemployable, self-centered, flea-infested, liberal anarchists doing these days? I bet you dems are proud of those folks.
Hats off to law enforcement this week!!!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 9:10 AM
“on school choice, on energy independence, worker retraining, taxes, and a stirring call to national service”
Everyone of those vague proposals are straight out of Bush’s book. The only thing he didn’t do in his acceptance speech is say he’s a uniter, not a divider. Oh wait, he did that.
September 5th, 2008 at 9:11 AM
“Does America need another Hollywood entertainer?”
Not that Obama has anything to do with Hollywood, but, wasn’t the last Hollywood entertaining president YOUR precious REGAN? Man you guys are amazing.
September 5th, 2008 at 9:37 AM
PD
There was no president by the name of Regan.
It’s spelled R-E-A-G-A-N. It’s in all the history books. Check ‘em out once in a while – they’re chock-full of information: facts like Reagan was a governor too.
Obama is a product of Hollywood, Oprah, Larry King, CNN, and Katie Couric. And those young people “energized” by Obama couldn’t spell POW if you gave them the first two letters.
September 5th, 2008 at 9:42 AM
How again does POW equate to qualified for president?
September 5th, 2008 at 9:45 AM
I’m just saying that there was a stark contrast between last nights down-on-the-floor substantive conversation with the American people by John McCain and Barack Hussein Obama’s Hollywood-style big-stadium, Greek temple oratory. Obama really is a great speaker and entertainer, that’s obvious. I do not believe that’s what this country needs right now. We need leadership!
So Obama doesn’t have anything to do with Hollywood??? Have you checked who the Hollywood elite is donating to???? Check it out!
BTW, Ronald REAGAN (get it right, stupid!) was the Governor of California for 8 years after his Hollywood days.
September 5th, 2008 at 9:54 AM
PlymouthDem, you one interesting fella! The convention rightly pointed out McCain’s extraordinary service and love for this country as evidenced, in part, by his military service. After that, John McCain served admirably in Congress for over 20 years, while your candidate was a “community organizer”. You want to talk about who’s qualified to be President? GAME ON, pal!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Hey, Reagan lovers, I didn’t say he was qualified when he was elected. Who the hell cares if he was a governor? And, if he was, he was governor a hell of a lot longer than Palin.
Either would Karl Rove thinks he wasn’t qualified to be president (or Palin):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgVSW-KhJb4
America saw four candidate speeches. Two of them wowed a lot of people, the problem for McCain is that none of those two were his. That whole convention turned into the Palin party. McCain’s speech was disjointed, boring, and lacked any substance that separates himself from Bush.
America is not stupid. The markets (equity, monetary, and real estate) continue to collapse, unemployment jumped significantly, and inflation is at the hottest pace in 30 years. The only thing he said about the economy was “he’ll raise taxes and I’ll lower them.” The reason he’s not talking specifics is because he supports the status quo economic policies.
Further, saying you’ll give choice on education and health care does solve education and health care. Again, zero specifics.
Face it, McCain’s campaign is one blow up in Iraq away from total collapse.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Personally, I think a “community organizer” makes someone more qualified than someone who spent years in a POW camp 30 years ago. A community organizer is someone out in the field helping people, understanding their problems, coming up with solutions, and mobilizing a response.
What you are forgetting is that he also:
- Graduated from one of the top law schools in the country with the honor of serving as EIC of perhaps the most respect law review
- Was a professor of law at one of the top law schools in the country
- Worked as a legislator for 8 years
- Works in the same Senate McCain did.
McCain has been a POW and sat in the Senate.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Did anyone else see Andrea Mitchell buried in baloons as she tried to give her post-speech report? It was hillarious. She had to send it back to Olbermann, who of course found a way to connect baloons with the evil GOP empire.
As soon as each speech was done, I’d scan through all of the news channels. CNN, Fox, and the like would be giving some semi-thoughtful analysis of the speech. Olbermann’s first comment last night was on the fact that the first hand McCain shook after the speech was someone who Keith didn’t like.
Gotta love that BS excuse for reporting.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:07 AM
On a serious note, excellent analysis below on what McCain needs to say and do now. Bottom line — the Republicans are making a logical, real approach to energy their issue. They need to stay on this like a dog on a bone. The Democrats have completely missed the boat on energy, and this needs to be made clear to the voting public in obvious terms.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/09/04/gop_advice/?refid=0
September 5th, 2008 at 10:15 AM
I love this line.
“And by the way, don’t call it offshore drilling — call it ‘deep sea exploration.’ Offshore drilling makes you think, ‘Is that your daughter there, that she’s going to be swimming in oil.’”"
Energy is a wash. Everyone is saying do everything. Now, can parties try and say the GOP isn’t serious about alternative energy and the Dems aren’t serious about drilling, sure. But, it’s hard to make an issue the foundation of your campaign when the other side essentially says they agree with you. People then turn to other issues, namely, the economy.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:26 AM
OK, you win, PlymouthDem …… I’ll admit it. OBAMA IS A LAWYER!
September 5th, 2008 at 10:33 AM
I worked security for the event all 4 days. Seeing this from the inside out, those freaks of nature called “demonstrators” never had a chance. They never would have gotten over the first fenceline, let alone the second. I’m not a fan of lib-city St Paul. But the security was a first class operation and much more robust than one could see on the surface.
I agree with you Newton. Hats off to the law enforcement team, and security planning. By the way, the two or three Code Pinkies that did get inside, were given credentials outside the perimeter by attendees that were leaving.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Hey, you know who else was a community organizer?
Don Corleone
September 5th, 2008 at 11:10 AM
The media can call Sarah Palin a bad mother for not forcing her daughter to have an abortion, and claim that Sarah didn’t actually give birth to her own son…
…but don’t you dare ask what a community organizer actually does.
A commenter at a left wing blog gave a comparison:
Jesus was a community organizer. Pilate was a governor.
And the reply which shut him up:
And Sarah Palin’s convention speech was the crucifixion.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Michael, it sounds like the convention was a wonderful experience. A once in a lifetime experience.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:33 AM
The economy goes in cycles. Energy responds directly to what policies the public and private sectors have in place.
To deny American production of our own energy is to increase our reliance on the Middle East. It is as simple as that.
There is a chasm between the parties on energy, and it is the biggest single issue that the GOP can run on this year.
“Change is not a destination” – Rudy G.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I was pleasantly surprised with McCain last night.
He forcefully elicited plans for education, energy, national security, foreign relations and government overhaul.
I was not a big Senator McCain supporter, but I may well be one of the biggest supporters of President McCain.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:35 AM
@jbenson2: HA! That was good!
September 5th, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Does that mean y’all truly think that Obama was sent to us from God? Until now, I’ve only speculated that was the case….
September 5th, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Making the virginal march out the length of his new phallic stage, McCain gave a perfectly good speech. But to have your standard bearer give the fourth best speech of the four principal candidates, well, that can never be good.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:48 AM
“but don’t you dare ask what a community organizer actually does.”
Who again has ever refused to ask, or said it’s off limits to ask what a community organizer is? Obama has told you what he has done as a community organizer. What people have failed to do is demonstrate a single reason why being a community organizer deserves to be laughed at. Social change happens in this country because of what people do at the grass roots level. Church leaders are community organizers, are their outreach activities laughable? How about people working to end domestic violence? People working the soup kitchen lines? People creating community education centers? On the front lines countering gang violence? People helping those struggling to pay their mortgage? How about people like Martin Luther King Jr.?
The Republican party did a fantastic job at distancing itself from the people that will matter in the election during this convention.
“And Sarah Palin’s convention speech was the crucifixion.”
That probably shut them up because it was so dumb. How exactly is that a good thing? So, Sarah killed Jesus?
September 5th, 2008 at 11:59 AM
cCain’s snooze fest
Leave it to a liberal to not be able to tell the difference between substance and fluff. It’s really symbolic of todays generation where flash and glitz is more important than character and substance.
Character, honor, substance and a life time of actual accomplishments verses a petition collector with no experience, no accomplishments and one who’s been shown to be nothing but an empty suit.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:01 PM
“Personally, I think a “community organizer†makes someone more qualified than someone who spent years in a POW camp 30 years ago.”
Interesting how, in the process of diminishing McCain’s honorable military service, you erase McCain’s subsequent 30 years serving his country honorably in Congress.
You’re a phony piece of shit, PD.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:01 PM
I wonder how the founders of this country ever managed with community organizers?
Sounds like more government to me.
And the problems PlymouthDem listed are – in part – a result of the actions of democrats running congress and the Minnesota legislature.
Nice try though, blaming everything, including hurricanes, on Bush.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Even as a “community organizer” (read: agitator) Obama accomplished nothing. Great, he moderated a few meetings. Wow. The outcome? Nothing.
Obama, the Dem’s EEOC candidate, has only two accomplishments to his name. They are both auto-biographies.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:06 PM
“The Republican party did a fantastic job at distancing itself from the people that will matter in the election during this convention.”
Is that why Obama’s lead shrunk from 7 points to 3 between Palin’s speech and today?
For the record, I think social entrepreneurs are very important to society. Especially when done through private philanthropy, they can do great things.
I still think Obama’s resume is light, though.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:06 PM
“What you are forgetting is that he also:
- Graduated from one of the top law schools in the country with the honor of serving as EIC of perhaps the most respect law review”
Yep, race quotas do accomplish something. Evan as EIC of the Harvard Law Review, Obama did nothing. He wrote only one article, anonymously. Vapid has a new name: Obama.
“- Was a professor of law at one of the top law schools in the country”
He as an adjunct professor. He was not faculty.
“- Worked as a legislator for 8 years”
Yep, he voted “present” to avoid taking a stand on any important issue.
“- Works in the same Senate McCain did.”
For 100 days before having the “audacity” to run for President.
Yeah, that’s some record to be proud of. My neighbor’s girls running a lemonade stand have accomplished more than Barak Obama.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:13 PM
McCain & Palin rock – BO stinks!
September 5th, 2008 at 12:25 PM
McCain & Palin rock – BO stinks!
You make that into a bumper sticker and I’m putting it on my cars.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:30 PM
I find it funny that Chestnut rails against race quotas, but has no problem seeing gender used as a justification for passing over many more qualified men for the job of VP.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Go ahead and make that argument, Leroy. Fact is, Palin is well-qualified for the ticket. She’s better qualified than the EEOC candidate the Dems selected.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Rasmussen has a message for PlyDem and Leroy:
Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain
…following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters.
The figures include 40% with a Very Favorable opinion of Palin and 18% with a Very Unfavorable view (full demographic crosstabs are available for Premium Members).
The new data also shows significant increases in the number who say McCain made the right choice and the number who say Palin is ready to be President.
Generally, John McCain’s choice of Palin earns slightly better reviews than Barack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden.
Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.
STFU
September 5th, 2008 at 12:55 PM
“I wonder how the founders of this country ever managed with community organizers? Sounds like more government to me.”
What the hell does this even mean? What, is your argument that the revolution was the product of government? It was precisely the outcome of grassroots organization.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Say, Scrotee?
Seems “The National Enquirer” is trackin’ down Governor Moose Meat for pretendin’ she’s John Edwards…..<a href=
September 5th, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Media dilemma over Enquirer’s ‘Sarah Palin affair’ allegation
September 5th, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Swiftee,
Yes, quote the poll that has her favorables at 1% higher than either candidate. ONE percent? And, this after being on the national stage for 3 days.
September 5th, 2008 at 1:14 PM
“Go ahead and make that argument, Leroy. Fact is, Palin is well-qualified for the ticket. ”
Note chestnut dodging away. She certainly was not the most qualified was she? Admit that she was picked because she was a woman. A male first term governor from Alaska, former mayor of a town of 9k would never have been selected would he?
September 5th, 2008 at 1:14 PM
BO is proud of this :
125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer
Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html
September 5th, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Well, I’m sure your country-club party is proud of this.
Note that the story is carried in the Atlanta paper…..
September 5th, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Yep. If the party’s puppet master, Karl Rove, believes Tim Kaine is not qualified, then I would assume honesty would dictate that he believes Sarah Palin is also not qualified.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card
But, when has honesty ever constrained the republicans?
September 5th, 2008 at 1:38 PM
My advice to PD, Tommy and all Democrats everywhere: Keep it up. By continuing to bash Sarah Palin, you are doing more for her than a thousand Wellstone Memorial Rallies.
Now you are parading National Enquirer articles. What’s next — you find out she only showers twice a week?
The fact is that her 17-year old daughter has received more scrutiny than your ObamaMessiah. We know everything about Bristol’s boyfriend’s MySpace page and nothing about how Obama will triple the capitol gains taxes or his ties to radical leftie groups like ACORN.
Keep it up, community organizers, keep it up!
September 5th, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Exactly correct, Leroy.
Reasonable people cannot reasonably assume republiCons are telling the truth, and that Daily Show episode clearly demonstrates why.
September 5th, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Peter B, when The National Enquirer was chasin’ down Edwards, you RightWingNuts were all over it; now that it’s about one of yours, you’re not.
Thank you for proving, once again, the hypocrisy of the GreedOverPrinciples party.
September 5th, 2008 at 1:47 PM
“It [the Revolution] was precisely the outcome of grassroots organization.”
Mostly it was the outcome of a few brave men with guns and know how. Even then, however, liberals — I mean “loyalists” — were trying to kybash the whole thing.
September 5th, 2008 at 1:47 PM
“Yes, quote the poll that has her favorables at 1% higher than either candidate. ONE percent? And, this after being on the national stage for 3 days.”
TV week called for you PlyDem, I took the message for you:
“Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s speech during Wednesday night’s Republican National Convention bested Democratic speeches from Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and, in some cases, Barack Obama in preliminary ratings.
Speaking last night, along with former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, Gov. Palin took in a 5.4 rating/8 share on NBC, according to preliminary overnight household data from Nielsen Media Research, measuring 55 markets across the United States.
In terms of this year’s conventions, the preliminary rating for NBC’s coverage last night is higher than any other night of the convention on the broadcast networks, including Sen. Obama’s nomination acceptance speech on Aug. 28.
ABC averaged a 4.0/6, up more than a full ratings point against the DNC’s third day, and CBS scored a 3.1/5, beating its previous Wednesday coverage by 29%.”
SMACK!..SLAP!!
September 5th, 2008 at 1:50 PM
“Yes, quote the poll that has her favorables at 1% higher than either candidate. ONE percent? And, this after being on the national stage for 3 days.”
Find me another politician who’s been on the stage for just 3 days and who out scores the likes of Barak “nothin’ but image” Obama and other life-long public figures.
I’m sure “Tickle Me Elmo” achieved a similar ratings after three days, but it was a toy.
September 5th, 2008 at 1:52 PM
“Admit that she was picked because she was a woman.”
In part, probably. But she’s the best qualified too. Strong conservative credentials, amazing negotiation skills, and a long, proven track record of challenging the establishment, working across party lines to get big things accomplished.
She’s about 900 percent more qualified than your EEOC candidate.
September 5th, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Like this Daily Show piece: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183509&title=Barack-Obama:-He-Completes-Us
September 5th, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Obama proposes massive tax increases on investors, business owners, and the “wealthy.” At a time when the American people rate the economy as the central issue of the campaign, a tax hike doesn’t make a lot of political sense. Voters know that a tax hike won’t help the economy.
Obama’s tax plans will harm U.S. investors by raising the capital gains and dividend taxes. Do you own stocks, a 401K or other pension? More than half of U.S. households are equity owners. Obama’s proposal risks alienating half the population.
Obama claims to offer a tax cut to moderate-income families, but a significant portion of Mr. Obama’s tax plan is a welfare giveaway costing more than $648 billion over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.
He would authorize a hodgepodge of refundable tax credits covering everything from education, mortgage payments, child care and other items for people who do not pay income taxes now.
About 38% of U.S. households pay no income tax today. Under a President Obama (whose policies would shave 15.3 million households off the tax rolls) that share would grow to nearly half of all American households. Do you want half of the people in this country supporting the other half — how in the hell is that fair?
Obama’s health-care proposal is not quite HillaryCare, but it comes close. A national health insurance, heavily subsidized by taxpayers, would be offered to the currently uninsured. Move more people onto rolls of government-paid and government-mandated insurance, while depriving the marketplace the oxygen it needs for greater innovation, life-saving cures, and efficiency.
An energy policy that drills less, consumes less, taxes more, and spends more.
I could go on and on.
This is liberal economics. This not change. This is more of the same.
But lets all talk about a pregnant kid! That’s MUCH more important!
Democrats HAVE NO CHOICE but to try to smear and smear and smear. They cannot win in the marketplace of ideas.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Robert Byrde and David Duke were “community organizers” too.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Major-General Bizimungu, the Hutu militant that organized the Rwandan genocide was a “community organizer” too.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:27 PM
“Obama proposes massive tax increases on investors, business owners, and the “wealthy.†At a time when the American people rate the economy as the central issue of the campaign, a tax hike doesn’t make a lot of political sense. Voters know that a tax hike won’t help the economy. Obama’s tax plans will harm U.S. investors by raising the capital gains and dividend taxes. Do you own stocks, a 401K or other pension? More than half of U.S. households are equity owners. Obama’s proposal risks alienating half the population.”
You are making a funny right? Under Bush’s economic regime — which, might I point out, no one seems to be able to distinguish from McCain’s economic policy — the market has LOST money over the last eight years relative to inflation! Notably, that hasn’t happened in any of the recent moderan presidential administrations except this one. Capital gains taxes only hurt you when you ACTUALLY ARE MAKING MONEY in the markets. Not too many people are doing that these days. Perhaps we should start with that before we start caring about the taxes charged when you sell.
Besides, the assumption that everyone owns stock is weak. The top 10% wealthiest in this country own 90% of the stocks. The idea that people dropping some money into a 401k are going to be harmed by capital gains taxes is ridiculous.
“About 38% of U.S. households pay no income tax today. Under a President Obama (whose policies would shave 15.3 million households off the tax rolls) that share would grow to nearly half of all American households. Do you want half of the people in this country supporting the other half — how in the hell is that fair?”
Yes, when 1% of the population controls about 40% of the wealth. That starts to make sense.
“Obama’s health-care proposal is not quite HillaryCare, but it comes close. A national health insurance, heavily subsidized by taxpayers, would be offered to the currently uninsured. Move more people onto rolls of government-paid and government-mandated insurance, while depriving the marketplace the oxygen it needs for greater innovation, life-saving cures, and efficiency.”
Yes, because our medical system should be focused on much costlier chronic care as more and more people can’t afford insurance and only get care when they are rushed to an emergency room.
“An energy policy that drills less, consumes less, taxes more, and spends more.”
This statement doesn’t even make sense.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:27 PM
More Americans tuned-in to McCain’s speech
A record 38.9 million U.S. TV viewers watched John McCain accept the Republican nomination for president on Thursday, beating the record set last week by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, Nielsen Media Research reported.
Obama had an average 38.4 million viewers watching his speech accepting the nomination for his party last week.
McCain’s tally also was higher than the 37.2 million Americans who tuned in to hear Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s speech on Wednesday.
I guess the rest of the country hasn’t gotten the “this is going to be a landslide” memo.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Here’s why the Dems are so scared and confused right now.
The Palin announcement came out on Friday. Then, the Dems and the press spent five days completely ripping her to shreds. Slamming her. Making sure that this woman would never have a political career. Making sure Americans knew she wasn’t suited for this kind of stage.
Then she spoke.
And low and behold, Americans LOVED her.
So now, they are stuck with Americans loving a lady who they have tried to tear apart. How does it make them look?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:28 PM
“Capital gains taxes only hurt you when you ACTUALLY ARE MAKING MONEY in the markets. ”
So why bother raising them? If no one is making money on investments, what pray tell, will gov’t tax?
Why punish investments at the very time they’re needed most?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:33 PM
“The idea that people dropping some money into a 401k are going to be harmed by capital gains taxes is ridiculous.”
Nearly half of U.S. households own stocks and equities outside of a 401(k). Barak’s plan will make it less desirable for Americans to invest, drying up markets for capital improvements and job creation. Barak’s plan kills investors and kills jobs. It’s two birds with one stone.
Come to think of it, this will be the biggest thing Barak will have ever accomplished, should it come to pass.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Never mind the fact that “stocks” are just one option in an investment portfolio… bonds, equities, certificates, etc. are ALL investments that an increase in capital gains will hurt.
Go B.O.!
September 5th, 2008 at 2:35 PM
“Robert Byrde and David Duke were “community organizers†too.”
You truly are ridiculous.
Rudolph Hess was a POW. As was Saddam Hussein. Therefore, McCain is a Nazi and a Terrorist.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:36 PM
“Yes, when 1% of the population controls about 40% of the wealth. That starts to make sense. ”
Spoken like a truly ignorant jackass who believes that “wealth” is a zero sum game.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:37 PM
In post 66, MouthDem proves once again, that s/he failed the SATs.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:40 PM
“In post 66, MouthDem proves once again, that s/he failed the SATs.”
What, for following your logic?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:42 PM
No, for fully failing to follow my logic… You’re pretty stupid for someone who went to law school. But then again, so did Slow Joe Biden.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:44 PM
My only logic was that “community organizer” is a bullshit, retarded title until you understand what the individual who goes by that title has accomplished.
As with all facets of Barak Obama’s life, he has not accomplished anything as a community organizer. And all attempts to determine otherwise, are summarily suppressed… so one has to wonder what sort of “community organizer” B.O. was.
Certainly not an effective one.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:48 PM
You failed simple logic when you went on to believe that listing few other individuals who were “community organizers” means that B.O. also is a KKK leader.
It’s o.k., MouthDem. We know you’re a Leftist and among a group of people unable to process simple data.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:50 PM
“An energy policy that drills less, consumes less, taxes more, and spends more.†— This statement doesn’t even make sense.
—————-
OK – let me explain it to you:
Under Obama, we will build no more nuclear energy — the only meaningfully large, carbon-free source of domestic energy. Meanwhile he is promising a massive increase in subsidies for domestic, noncarbon-based energy from sources that produce only a fraction of our energy now.
He has also proposes massive tax increases on U.S. oil and gas companies while continuing to cut off vast swaths of U.S. territory to drilling.
This isn’t rocket science (or maybe, for you, it is). If you restrict supply and tax production, prices go up.
If you force prices to go up, what happens to the heating bills in the Winter? Who does it hurt the most? What happens to food prices? What happens to the price of everything else?
And who will pick up the bill when Obama sends checks to people who do not pay taxes? A centralized, government-controlled health-care system will be more expensive, less efficient, and less friendly to patients and doctors.
Surely you know that the most effective way to bring down energy prices is by keeping all our energy options open, including more drilling in the U.S.
And you must know that if a candidate has spent his entire career taxing more and spending more, that’s exactly what you’ll get — and more of it.
Does it make sense yet?
Obama’s plans for governing the country are more taxes, more spending, and bigger government. This is not new. This is not change. Tax increases do not do anything to help an ailing economy.
And THAT, boys and girls, is precisely why we need to go to plan B: the character assassination. Let’s demonize the hockey mom. Let’s go after her kids. And let’s never ever talk about Obama’s job-killing tax plans.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:54 PM
“You failed simple logic when you went on to believe that listing few other individuals who were “community organizers†means that B.O. also is a KKK leader.”
And yet the GOP decided to attack all community organizers regardless of what they did. I didn’t hear any Republican saying a peep about what Obama did as a community organizer, just that all community organizers are laughable.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Chestnut,
I use your name because I want to be clear. You are a disgusting piece of trash. You are the only one that comes on here to race bait. EEOC candidate? Quotas into Harvard? Didn’t your mother teach you how to disagree without being disagreeable all the time? You are such a rallying mascot for the Pro-Choice agenda. A waste of person who wouldn’t matter to anyone if he keeled over today. A most unpleasant individual who adds nothing to this society but pisses on everything good. You come on here and spit and curse so much that even your own have to tell you to calm down or shut up.
If you ever lasted beyond sixth grade, you’d know that even a ‘quota’ doesn’t determine your grades. Obama graduated top in his class from an Ivy League school as an undergrad (Columbia). Don’t know what he got on his LSAT (law school admissions test) but, nothing in his past shows that he would have been anything but above average. Most importantly, he graduated at the TOP of his law school class. Harvard, the top law school- well, in the world when it comes to Western Law. The top. It had nothing to do with being Editor of the most read law journal in the country. That’s an accomplishment in itself.
Compare that to the QUOTA candidate John McCain. He got into the Academy in a slot reserved for children of Academy graduates (quota). You’d think after going to private privileged schools his entire life that it would show. Nope. He graduated 894 out of 899. I’m willing to bet that last five under him were legacy quotas as well.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Interestingly the EEOC candidate who elevated his campaign to the top with a slogan of “change” only offers more of the same, tired liberal bullshit…
There’s only one candidate in the race with a record of bringing people together to achieve greater things. And there’s only one candidate in the race who’s prescribing a new direction.
And that candidate sure as hell is not B.O.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:56 PM
sd42webmaster,
Except your entire premise is wrong. Obama has indicated he supports increased Nuclear and drilling. Both candidates are, despite their previous stances, saying the exact same thing when it comes to energy.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:56 PM
“And yet the GOP decided to attack all community organizers regardless of what they did. I didn’t hear any Republican saying a peep about what Obama did as a community organizer, just that all community organizers are laughable.”
You really are that stupid, aren’t you. The GOP is attacking ONE “community organizer” … the community organizer that has no accomplishment to his name — Barak Obama.
The only statement is that Barak Obama is “laughable” for listing “community organizer” with no accomplishments on his “resume” … which is onion skin thin.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:58 PM
“And that candidate sure as hell is not B.O.”
I’m confused who it is then given no one seems to be able to provide any reason why McCain’s policies different in any significant way from Bush’s proposed policies.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:00 PM
DJZ,
I use your name because I want to be clear. You are a disgusting piece of trash. Didn’t your mother teach you how to disagree without being disagreeable all the time? You are such a rallying mascot for the anti-American agenda. A waste of person who wouldn’t matter to anyone if he keeled over today. A most unpleasant individual who adds nothing to this society but pisses on everything good. You come on here and spit and curse so much that even your own have to tell you to calm down or shut up.
blah, blah, blah, blah, bullshit, blah, blah.
Fuck off Ziggy, you don’t mean shit to shit.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Organizers reportedly say they were insulted by the comments. They say that they work for low salaries in an effort to help people without power fight to obtain better schools and safer communities, all things that they say politicians should be doing on behalf of taxpayers.
Obama defended the work he did for three years between college and law school. He questioned why the Republicans would think that it was ridiculous for someone to work for low pay to help other people.
“I don’t know if they understand what it means for a young person, at the age of 22 or 23, to pass up more lucrative options and work with people who are having a tough time and seeing that when people work together, we can do amazing things, rebuilding communities and setting up job training centers and setting up afterschool programs for kids,” Obama told supporters at a rally in Lancaster, PA on Thursday.
Obama added that he could only think that Republicans didn’t value such work because they were out of touch with people who were struggling and didn’t spend much time working on behalf of poor people.
Meanwhile, an Obama campaign worker on Thursday decided that the problem that led to Republicans ridiculing Obama’s work as a community organizer might lie with a lack of understanding of what community organizers do.
To help clear up the confusion David Plouffe reportedly sent the Wall Street Journal an Obama campaign email saying in part, “Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.”
But the simplest way to think of Obama’s experience of bypassing high-paying jobs to work in a low-paying job for three years as a community organizer might be to consider it his serving a cause beyond his own self-interest, which is exactly what the Republicans say they favor.
That was the approach taken by ABC’s Senior National Correspondent Jack Tapper.
Tapper wrote Thursday in a blog, “For nine years I’ve listened to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., movingly call on younger Americans to serve a cause greater than their self-interest. Wasn’t Obama merely heeding that very call? Wasn’t Obama merely heeding that very call?”
Disgusting hypocrites.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Not to mention McCain’s own acceptance speech:
“Become a teacher. Enter the ministry. Run for public office. Feed a hungry child. Teach an illiterate adult to read. Comfort the afflicted. Defend the rights of the oppressed. Our country will be the better, and you will be the happier. Because nothing brings greater happiness in life than to serve a cause greater than yourself.”
Sounds a helluva lot like a community organizer to me.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:07 PM
So, after three years of organizing, Obama went to get a law degree so that he actually work on policy to bring about change at a greater rate.
People are ridiculing the work of a 23 year old? A 23 year old who took on something that was entirely selfless.
By the way, Jesus was a Community Organizer and Pontius Pilate was a Governor.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:15 PM
“Organizers reportedly say they were insulted by the comments.”
Booo fucking hoo, hoo.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:19 PM
“By the way, Jesus was a Community Organizer and Pontius Pilate was a Governor.”
Did you make that up all by yourself? Of course you didn’t… you Bidened (plagiarized) it.
You want to know who else were “community organizers?” … the pharasies who dumped Jesus at Pilat’s feet…
September 5th, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Seriously, only a bunch of deluded, retarded-ass liberals — that’s you Ziggy — can simultaneously compare their EEOC candidate to Christ, and then complain when folks point out the stupidity of their soaring rhetoric about the EEOC candidate.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:24 PM
And here, Ziggy and Mouth, here’s THE POINT about the community organizer bullshit as it pertains to the EEOC candidate:
“Let me clarify something. Nobody is mocking community organizers in church basements and community centers across the country working to improve their neighbors’ lives. What deserves ridicule is the notion that Barack Obama’s brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan non-profits qualifies as executive experience you can believe in.”
“What deserves derision is “community organizing†that relies of a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people and shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon.
“…Obama’s community organizing days revolved around training grievance-mongers from the far left group ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub “direct actionsâ€); Obama supporters have recounted his role in organizing an ambush of a government planning meeting on a landfill project opposed by Chicago minority lobbies.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Thanks Chestnuts I was wondering I you were going to make the point that the Republicans in general have been too chickeshit to make.
Community Organizer= Rousing up those scary black people, not real Americans.
You’re disgusting.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:32 PM
And at the end of the day, while Obama put off law school for some time in the “community organizing” business, he accomplished not one thing of significance.
His is a lifetime of non-accomplishment… except for writing those auto-biographies.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:33 PM
PD: You’re fooling yourself. Obama has barely given a nod to nuclear energy. And you completely ignored the whole cut production and increase taxes part. Oh well.
So he NY Times ran — in three days — 67 articles attacking Sarah Palin. Everything from “she’s no Hillary” to “her hair looks 20 years out of date” to “she’s got a Fargo accent”. I just got an e-mail that attacks the church she goes to and repeats the lie that she’s a seperatist nut-case — she wants Alaska to break off from the United States.
Another day, another smear. Now it is the Enquirer piece. Tomorrow we will find out something salacious about her parents.
Yet no one — no one — critically examines exactly what Obama actually did as a “community organizer”.
You’ve heard about Troopergate. You’ve heard about the dude that impregnanted her daughter. But you have heard nothing about Public Allies — a group Obama helped found in 1992. You hear absolutely nothing about his national service corps. What is National Service Corps? Universal voluntary public service.
A graduate of the 2005 Los Angeles class, Nelly Nieblas, says it’s just a lot of talk about race. It’s a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, a lot of talk about isms and phobias. One of those isms is heterosexism, heterosexism, which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago remember, founding member, Barack Obama. Executive director, Michelle Obama, in Chicago. That’s their chapter. A Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes heterosexism as a negative byproduct of capital quoting of capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male dominated privilege, end quote. By the way, your tax dollars now fund about half of Public Allies’ expenses, through Bill Clinton’s AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it to a national program some say will cost $500 billion.
Obama said, “We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded as the military.”
Public Allies, Chicago chapter. Founding, founding member, Barack Obama. Executive director, Michelle Obama. Listen to the words in their speeches. It is all code language. It is all the language of the 1960s radicals. They have their tentacles into an organization that does good things but also teaches that heterosexism is a byproduct of capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male dominated privilege. Heterosexism!
Let me tell you something, PD. When you can name the children of a woman that lives in Alaska that you just met seven days ago, you know half of the story. You know all the bad things about this woman and some of the bad things that aren’t even true about this woman, but you’ve never heard of Public Allies. You’ve got to ask yourself why.
When you see somebody try to take down Sarah Palin, you’ve got to ask yourself why. When you see the media, who has always been in bed with John McCain, now say John McCain is evil, you’ve got to ask yourself why. It is the liberal elite. It is the march of socialism that has been happening in our universities forever. It is the Marxism that has been festering in our large cities and nobody is willing to call it by name.
Why doesn’t Barack Obama have a 20 point lead with everything he has? Because something in your gut says something’s not right. He can’t close the deal because enough people say something’s not right here. This is it, and it’s been kept from you, somewhat. Every piece of this puzzle has been outed. Every piece of this puzzle is out there. But nobody will put the pieces together. All they want to say is look at the nice Greek columns, look at the nice stage show. Isn’t it cool that he’s African American?
And by the way, what about that awful woman from Alaska? I hear she’s a religious zealot! I hear one of her kids got pregnant!
September 5th, 2008 at 3:43 PM
“he goes to and repeats the lie that she’s a seperatist nut-case — she wants Alaska to break off from the United States.”
Well, let’s be fair. She has attended the separatist’s convention AT LEAST once (McCain’s campaign even admits that) and possibly twice and her husband was a registered member. It’s not exactly all lies. And, if EVERY SPEECH is going to go after Michelle for her statement that she’s only now proud to be an American, it’s perfectly fair game to go after her (and her husband) who not only weren’t proud to be an American, they didn’t even want to be part of it.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:48 PM
He didn’t work for ACORN. Michelle Malkin went a long way with a non-connection. You or her, have no proof that DCP was an acorn organization. It wasn’t.
He worked for the Developing Communities Project (DCP), based in the churches of the far South Side of Chicago in an expanse of white, black and Latino blue-collar neighborhoods that were reeling from the steel-mill closings.
Obama, only 24, struck board members as “awesome” and “extremely impressive,” and they quickly hired him, at $13,000 a year, plus $2,000 for a car–a beat-up blue Honda Civic, which Obama drove for the next three years organizing more than twenty congregations to change their neighborhoods.
Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies. And it’s no surprise that, after eight years of George Bush, millions of people have found that by coming together in their local communities they can change the course of history. Throughout our history, ordinary people have made good on America’s promise by organizing for change from the bottom up.
Community organizing is the foundation of the women’s suffrage movement, labor rights, and the 40-hour workweek. And it’s happening today in church basements and community centers and living rooms across America.
Meanwhile, we still haven’t gotten a single idea during the entire Republican convention about the economy and how to lift a middle class so harmed by the Bush-McCain policies.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:51 PM
sd42webmaster,
As for the rest of your fear the black man organizing spew, Obama hasn’t avoided talking about what he did during those year. He’s written books about what he did. There’s been extensive media coverage over what exactly he did and did not do during those years. All of it published over the several years he’s been in the national spotlight. If you can’t find it, you aren’t looking.
The reason you’re hearing all of this stuff about Palin is because no one knew/knows who she is. Of course the media is going to vet her, just like it has all of the other candidates. You’re just hyper-sensitive to it now for Palin because unlike her, the other candidates have had stuff come out over years.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Fact Sheet on Public Allies’ History with Senator Barack and Michelle Obama
Public Allies has received many media inquiries about our history with Senator Barack and Michelle Obama, and has been featured in many news stories about them. Following are some details and anecdotes about the Obamas’ history with Public Allies:
• Barack Obama was a member of the founding board of Public Allies. Michelle was the founding Executive Director of Public Allies Chicago from Spring, 1993 until Fall, 1996, and served on our national board of directors from 1997 until 2001. Barack was no longer on the board of Public Allies when Michelle was hired. Before joining Public Allies, she was an attorney at the law firm of Sidley & Austin and Deputy Director of Community Development for the City of Chicago.
• Under Michelle’s leadership, Public Allies Chicago pioneered many elements of Public Allies’ program model. To identify and develop the next generation of Chicago leaders, she recruited young people from housing projects and youth centers as well colleges and universities. Her emphasis on indigenous leadership and belief that all people have potential to lead became a core value of our leadership philosophy. When she left, Public Allies Chicago had a cash reserve, a committed board, a talented young staff, and a network of diverse, talented young leaders in Chicago who continue to serve the community today. Michelle was also a pioneer in the social entrepreneur movement –leaders who create new approaches and organizations to provide new solutions to social problems.
• Along with hiring over a dozen participants in our Ally program and alumni of our program in her subsequent jobs at the University of Chicago and University of Chicago Medical Center, Michelle has continued to advise, coach, donate to, and champion Public Allies. Senator Obama has also been an active volunteer and supporter. Senator Obama has trained several classes of Allies in community organizing, spoken at Public Allies Chicago events, and helped Senator Durbin secure an appropriation from the Department of Justice that successfully helped us better recruit and retain young men of color for our Chicago program and learn practices we are applying nationally.
• Michelle Obama and Public Allies CEO Paul Schmitz were also original faculty members of the Asset-Based Community Development Institute at Northwestern University, led by John McKnight and Jody Kretzmann. John McKnight worked with Barack Obama as an organizer and wrote his Harvard Law School recommendation (see Audacity of Hope, page 360). The Institute has a strategic alliance with Public Allies’ consulting group, The Leadership Practice, through which we provide training and consulting services on how to better identify and mobilize local community assets and participation to strengthen communities.
•Quote from Paul Schmitz, CEO of Public Allies, who worked with Michelle:
“Michelle was an amazing leader and role model for all of us. As a very young staff in the early years, we all emulated Michelle’s incredible combination of professionalism, compassion, critical thinking and commitment to her community. For all of her immense talents, she was also one of the most down-toearth, inclusive, and authentic leaders I’ve ever worked with. She really did believe that everyone could contribute to their communities and that leaders come from all backgrounds and all parts of the community. The Chicago program she pioneered really created the template we all work from today. We are proud of our colleague and wish her well.â€
*Senator Clinton hosted a White House reception for Public Allies in April, 1993, and has been a champion of Public Allies and national service. Senator McCain has also been a great champion of national service and has introduced legislation to expand AmeriCorps by more than 200%.
Public Allies is a non-partisan organization and does not endorse candidates for elected office.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:57 PM
“It’s not exactly all lies.”
I think PlyDem has just replaced “depends on the meaning of ‘is’” with the new, official Democrat campaign slogan!
Nice job! Let’s try it:
“Al “Porn-O-Rama” Franken for Senate…”It’s not exactly all lies”.
“Barack Hessein Obama for President…”It’s not exactly all lies”.
Niiiice.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Looks like your sources of Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin are already known liars and its easy to factcheck their asses.
Speaking of liars and ass, Sarah Palin has gotten the coverage she’s gotten because she is a liar and has not been vetted, so the ugly ‘peeling back’ is happening in a very public way.
Get use to it. You’re stuck with her and guess what? Team McCain can keep pissing off the media and they’ll find the October surprise coming long and slow starting next week.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Excuse me, Mr. Ziegler? Priority message for you from Rasmussen:
Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain
…following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters.
The figures include 40% with a Very Favorable opinion of Palin and 18% with a Very Unfavorable view (full demographic crosstabs are available for Premium Members).
Smack!!!..Down moonbat!..
The new data also shows significant increases in the number who say McCain made the right choice and the number who say Palin is ready to be President.
Generally, John McCain’s choice of Palin earns slightly better reviews than Barack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden.
Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.
Slapp!..Down!
September 5th, 2008 at 4:09 PM
“He didn’t work for ACORN.”
Nobody said he did. They indicated that he worked WITH ACORN. And he still does.
You’re a dumb piece of trash, Ziggy. Did you know that?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Post 94: Who gives a shit? That’s MICHELLE’s record. Holy hot hurricane Hannah! The stupidity of Ziggy dog shit never stops.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Paw Claws (9-3-08) says that the best sermons aren’t preached, they’re lived.
The Repubs strutted “some” of their “lived” stuff on stage.
However, some “lived” stuff didn’t seem to be strutted on stage.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:16 PM
“Speaking of liars and ass, Barak Obama has gotten a complete pass by the biased MSM who are in the tank for his EEOC campaign. If they did even a high school freshmen’s level of research, they’d find troubling connections to Chicago-area criminals, terrorists, and race-baiting “clergy” who hate America. If they asked basic questions, they’d discover that Obama’s entire resume is fluff… and the rest is being suppressed by those who know that American’s won’t favor an EEOC candidate with a penchant for consorting with terrorists.
“They’d find out that Barak Obama is a flat fucking liar and has not been vetted, so an ugly ‘peeling back’ would happen in a very public way.
“But the MSM won’t do that, because they are in the tank for the EEOC candidate.
In the meantime, those of us who understand the threat of an ObamaCarter presidency will continue to beat the drums. Get use to it. You’re stuck with him and guess what? Team Obama can keep cowering under the wings of the media, but they’ll find the October surprise coming long and slow starting next week.”
September 5th, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Say, Scrotee?
We’ll see how much Governor Moose Meat is liked, when her appetite for pork becomes common knowledge.
Governor Moose Meat likes earmarks almost as much as you like to post links to full-frontal male nudity.
It’s no wonder you like her; she’s a hypocrite just like you.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Alright Swiftee, so now favorable ratings are relevant? Rousing big crowds and large audiences is a positive indicator? A fresh face (new personality) matters? Talking about change with nothing specific (or in Palins case just the opposite) is a winning formula?
Welcome to the Obama for President club. Too bad your ticket is inverse of importance.
I’m not too worried, the press will do the job that McCain couldn’t and continue to show Palin to be liar, flip-flopper, tax and a spending, shit talking, light weight.
This high will make your let down in November all the better. Hopefully Chestnut will leave his shift and walk into traffic.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:42 PM
I differ from some of my GOP friends on the “community organizer” point.
We need community organizers. We need people who, instead of sit around and bitch, get off their azz and try to do something. There is alot of range in what that label could apply to. I’d say the late Elmer Andersen was a community organizer, and he got alot done in that capacity. But whoever got those yahoos in pink to make fools of themselves at the convention was also a community organizer. I know a local community organizer around here whose sole purpose in life is to not allow creationism in the local school. I won’t stop her. Free speech.
Three very different types of community organizers, with very different levels of constructiveness.
When community organizers do things that government can’t, won’t, or shouldn’t do, and with private resources, then I say go for it. It helps all of us. When community organizers simply add more iffy programs for Govt to fund, then it isn’t such a good thing.
THE PROBLEM, Democrats (before you start thinking I agree with you) is the level of accountability. A Mayor has accountability that a typical community organizer just doesn’t have. You are fully accountable to the people. As a Community Organizer, who are accountable to either nobody, or to a select few who happen to fully agree with your idea, however radical. Huge difference.
In my Republican view of the world, we live in a land with lower taxes so we have more of our earnings left over to fund private, philanthropic endeavors. And many of the people coming up with those great ideas are social entreprenuers, which you could call community organizers.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:52 PM
“A Mayor has accountability …”,
Give me a break, DtM. Here in Eden Prairie, a town of 60,000 +, the Mayor is part time. Palin’s town was maybe 7,000.
That “Daily Show” that your bretheren RightWingNuts are ridiculing, ridiculed Rove because Rove built Palin up for her Mayorship of a town of maybe 9,000, when Rove had recently ripped Governor Kaine for his mayorship of Richmond, Virginia.
You should be distancing yourself from the bootlickers, DtM – not acting like one.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:52 PM
“I’m not too worried, the press will do the job that McCain couldn’t and continue to show Palin to be liar, flip-flopper, tax and a spending, shit talking, light weight.”
I sure hope that they use those new skills they will have learned to actually vet Obama. I’ve learned more about Sarah Palin’s personal life in one week than I’ve learned about Obama in 19 months.
It is not for lack of stories about Obama. It is for lack of coverage of those stories about Obama.
http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.com/
September 5th, 2008 at 4:54 PM
“THE PROBLEM, Democrats (before you start thinking I agree with you) is the level of accountability. A Mayor has accountability that a typical community organizer just doesn’t have. You are fully accountable to the people. As a Community Organizer, who are accountable to either nobody, or to a select few who happen to fully agree with your idea, however radical. Huge difference.”
This is, however, a fairly minor problem given it is a false comparison. Obama isn’t asking people to look to his community organizer days to rebut Palin’s experience as a mayor. He’s asking for it to be considered as part of a whole. There are plenty of examples within his bio where he meets your requirement of accountability (state legislator, senate for example) just as there are plenty of elements of John McCain’s bio we are asked to consider void of any accountability.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:56 PM
<em”…just as there are plenty of elements of John McCain’s bio we are asked to consider void of any accountability.”
You mean, like when he was schtuppin’ every bimbo he could while he was married?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Here is the fact:
We are debate the value of incomparable experiences. Is a community organizer a valid part of a resume for President? Is a Mayor? Is two years of Executive Branch experience as a Guv equal to four years as a member of the Senate?
We can hem and haw all day long. The fact is, these are truly debatable questions.
We are debating the skills of the #1 on your ticket with the skills of our #2 who you claim is unqualified. Lot’s now recall that our #1 is John fricking McCain. Yes, the guy who has been an independent-minded an effective Senator since the 80′s after coming home from serving his country.
I’ll compare Obama and Palin all day long. The conclusion will be a split decision. And through it all, we still have McCain as the Prez.
This one is going down to teh wire.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Excuse me Mr. Ziegler, another flash from the Chicago Tribune:
The ‘bounce” is gone.
So says a new CNN/Opinion Research poll released just now.
With a survey of voters taken Friday through today, the results show that 49 percent said they support the Democratic presidential ticket Barack Obama and Joe Biden and 48 percent support the Republican team of John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Smack!!…
The Gallup daily tracking poll found an eight-point advantage for Obama at the end of his convention, and today reported a six-point advantage – which includes the three-day average of surveys taken through Saturday. Gallup, which also had Obama and McCain tied heading into Denver, suggested that Obama had gotten an 8-point bounce.
Today, CNN/Opinion Research found another dead heat.
So much for bounce.
Smack!!…Slap…Down ‘bat…Slap SMACK!!
September 5th, 2008 at 5:14 PM
No one is saying: “Don’t be a community organizer, don’t volunteer”. Do it. But that is a summer job. It certainly does not qualify you to be President. And it is a far cry from being elected Mayor — twice — and then knocking off a sitting Governor of your party.
Governor Palin has a record of fighting corruption in her party. It would be as if Obama took on the big Chicago Daley Machine and cleaned up Chicago. Except Obama has no such record. His party is AT LEAST as full of corruption and greed and misuse of power as the Republicans – yet there is no record of Obama ever once taking on the power elites in his party and telling them that they tax too much, that they spend too much, that they live too much in luxury and they need to start giving some of their tax money back.
Governor Palin has that record, Obama does not.
Community organizing – and volunteer activities in general — indeed can be wonderful ways to give back to the community. We need our volunteers.
But Public Allies is no ordinary group of community organizers. And that is what the news media is ignoring. The fact that people know more have seen the fake Palen bikini photos than know about Public Allies is troubling.
According to their own tax documents alumni from Public Allies are twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to engage in protest activities. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers — like Obama — to agitate for “justice and equality” in big cities like Chicago, Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington.
One Cincinnati recruit said, “I get to practice being an activist and I get paid for it.”
Obama wants to force you to fund this stuff. This is where your tax money will go. Funding future Left Wing radicals that we witnessed on the streets of Saint Paul this past week. Is that really what we want?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:14 PM
DtM, John McCain will be four years older than the previous oldest man to enter the Oval Office, Ronald Reagan. McCain is 72 years old, and those are hard miles he’s got – that’s not a slam; that’s his record.
The issue is, do you really want to take the chance McCain has to turn the office over to Governor Moose Meat?
Governor Pawlenty? No problemo. Ridge? No problemo. I wouldn’t like it, but I have no doubt Pawlenty is potential presidential timber, as is Olympia Snow and Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
Sarah Palin?
No even close; and MCain’s decision to put her one heart beat away from the oldest elected President was a poor decision.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:15 PM
My favorite. From the Huffington post, written midweek:
“Audience numbers for the Republican National Convention are drastically trailing those enjoyed by the Democrats just last week…… there is also, clearly, an enthusiasm gap at play. And voters, including Republicans, simply aren’t as interested.”
Yeah. That was before Palin CRUSHED teh ratings. She drew 37 million people. Obama drew 27 million for his DNC finale.
Loving it.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:17 PM
“Obama wants to force you to fund this stuff.”
And you want to give handouts to the nuclear industry.
Personally, Peter B – if there is ANYONE that should be opposed to nuclear energy, it’s an alleged free-marketer like you. But, you’re a hypocrite, so you’re all for the handout nuclear power HAS TO HAVE to be remotely cost-competitive.
Peter B, it’s hypocrites like you that cause The Small Tent Party to get smaller.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:19 PM
DJZ said:
“By the way, Jesus was a Community Organizer”
No, Barack Obama was a Community Organizer … oh, I see. You are just another BHO Personality Cultist. *snicker*
September 5th, 2008 at 5:19 PM
DtM, let us not leave out any opportunity to mention that after Palin crushed Nobama’s viewing ratings, she crushed his poll numbers and “bounced” him off the pavement.
Smack!!</strong?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I’m not too worried, the McCain campaign will do the job that press won’t and continue to show Barak Obama to be liar, flip-flopper, tax and a spending, shit talking, light weight.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:24 PM
The problem, Tommy, is what did Governor Pawlenty do when he was faced with a budget deficit? He spent it.
If “change” is the buzz-word of the day then that is not change. Growing government by another ten percent is not change.
Governor Palen gave the money back.
There are no perfect candidates. But Governor Palen has captured the imagination of a lot of people.
To a political party that has become dejected and beaten down — she has given them hope again. To people like me that are tired of Republicans who are too cowardly to stand on their principles, she has given us a belief that maybe — just maybe — we can slow down the runaway growth in taxes and spending. We can start drilling again and go nuclear again and stop this utter nonsense of putting all of our marbles in the wind and ethanol basket.
I will be the first to say that there is a lot wrong with Republicans and the Republican Party in general. But Sarah Palen is an example of what is right with it.
It remains to be seen what future hatchet jobs the media has in store for her, but, at the moment at least, most Americans seem to agree with me on this.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:28 PM
My prediction for the next eight weeks:
Obama will continue to go around the country saying the words “change”, “hope”, and “middle class”. He won’t really have any meaningful words to go along with them, but he’ll say those words often enough that he’ll get heads nodding.
McCain will go around the country talking about how he is a reformer, which he is. Many already like him, and those who are undecided will like this message.
Biden will be mainly a nonfactor but could help Obama carry PA, which would be significant.
Palin will be the difference maker. If she rises above the smears and can communicate her message, McCain wins by about 20 electoral votes. If MSNBC and the Harry Reid machine prevail, Obama wins by the same margin.
That is how close this is.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Joe Biden will be just 2 years younger than the previous oldest man to enter the Oval Office, Ronald Reagan. Biden is 66 years old, and those are hard miles he’s got – He can’t even remember what his childhood was like, or how many degrees he got in college, or how he paid for tuition.
“The issue is, do you really want to take the chance Obama has to turn the office over to Senator Plagiarist?
“Senator Clinton? No problemo. Gore? No problemo. I wouldn’t like it, but I have no doubt Clinton is potential presidential timber, as is Jim Webb and Kathleen Sebelius. But Joe Biden?
Why did the supposedly future-forward candidate reach so deep into the barrel for a VP pick?
Not even close; and Obama’s decision to put him one heart beat away from the Presidency was a poor decision.”
Thanks Tommy — by the way, I’d rather have someone the caliber of Sarah Palin one heartbeat from the Presidency than to have an EEOC candidate like Barak Obama one election from it.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Tommy, first of all, your colleague, PD, swears that Obama is all for nuclear so what gives? Are you voting for Bob Barr this year?
I’m for nuclear because it’s the cheaper energy there is per kilowatt. If you are concerned about carbon — which I am not — it is carbon free. The French use it with little problem and I’m inclined to beleive we can do anything the French can do — only cheaper and better. In Minnesota we have a moratorium preventing us from building any more nuclear plants and that is crazy.
Cheap energy is better for our economy. It is more compassionate for our nation’s poor — high heating costs hurt poor people hardest. It means less oil which ultimately means a safer world.
Why oh why are you against nuclear???
September 5th, 2008 at 5:35 PM
“Governor Palen gave the money back.”
Well, hey, Peter B! When you got republiCons like Ted Stevens feedin’ ya the pork ya requested, you can!
You do realize, don’t you, that just this year Governor Palin requested $198 Million in earmarks, when the state’s coffers are flush with oil royalties?
Yeah, Palin’s a real reformer, as long as GOP stands for GreedOverPrinciples…..
September 5th, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Nuclear energy is the answer. Yes, there is waste. But the amount of waste is infantesimal when compared with the waste the currently goes into the air on a per-person basis from carbon fuels.
SD42 – I couldn’t agree more on Palin. Maybe she is the next VP. Maybe not. Maybe she becomes the standard bearer. Maybe not. But it is great to know that there is a generation of Palins, Pawlentys, Paul Ryans, and the like who are in their 30′s and 40′s and have the charisma to really make an impact. Maybe we win this year, maybe not. It will be close. But it bodes very well for the future.
September 5th, 2008 at 7:04 PM
So, DtM – why do you believe nuclear energy gets to operate economically in a manner none of their competitors do?
Don’t you believe in level playing fields, DTM?
September 5th, 2008 at 8:05 PM
I’m 125!!
September 5th, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Sure I do. And if we truly have level playing fields, lets allow deep sea drilling and drilling in Alaska. Heck, we have pipelines from Alaska running at half capacity. It costs very little incrementally to fill them up.
On nuclear, if we’re going to subsidize, let’s subsidize where we get the most bang for our buck. To steal a phrase from you guys, let’s do the most good for the greatest number of people. Nuclear being the best investment is a no-brainer.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:18 PM
SMACK
Big deal
September 5th, 2008 at 10:07 PM
And BY THE WAY, Ziggy d.s., did you really call out the Obama’s Nazi Youth/Public Allies organization?
Sorry, we don’t need more government funded re-education camps training the next generation of assholes like you.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:44 AM
DtM, “Nuclear being the best investment” is for no-brainers.
If you actually looked at the economics and subsidies of nuclear, it is NOT the best investment, and the only reason it is close to being economically competitive is because of the massive subsidies it gets.
Take away the subsidies and you could not afford to buy nuclear-generated electricity.
Why is it that the “free marketers” love subsidized nuclear?
Here’s a hint, DtM – follow the money…
September 6th, 2008 at 9:56 AM
ChinNuts,
My ‘government re-education camp’? Which one?
The private methodist college I got my BA and MA from, or the law school I went to? You dumbass.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:58 AM
sd42webmaster Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
The problem, Tommy, is what did Governor Pawlenty do when he was faced with a budget deficit? He spent it.
If “change†is the buzz-word of the day then that is not change. Growing government by another ten percent is not change.
Governor Palen gave the money back.
The short is she advocated for it, and after being ridiculed nationally for it and after getting elected, she TOOK THE ALREADY DONATED BRIDGE FUNDS and spent it on other projects. The idea that she is against pork is ludicrous. She didn’t give shit back. I repeat for the inbreds SHE DIDN”T GIVE ONE DIME BACK.
The Anchorage Daily News interviewed Palin during her 2006 campaign for governor. At the time, federal funding for the bridge had been stripped by Congress. They asked if she was in favor of continuing state funding for the project. “Yes,†she responded, noting specifically her desire to renew Congressional support:
“Yes. I would like to see Alaska’s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now–while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.” (GIMMIE PORK!)
That assistance never materialized. When she finally canceled the $400 million project, Palin lamented the fact that Congress was not more forthcoming with federal funding. She said in a statement at the time:
“Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island.” (THEY LIED AND PEOPLE ARE LAUGHING AT US – WE’LL JUST SPEND WHAT WE HAVE AND OTHER PORK PROJECTS)
Palin’s desire to have federal funding directed toward pet projects in Alaska, however, did not diminish. As recently as MARCH 2008 — her special counsel, John Katz, wrote in the Juneau Empire that despite recognizing increased scrutiny of such spending, Palin was “not abandoning earmarks altogether.†While McCain expressed high-profile disdain for earmarks, the Palin administration held that:
“Earmarks are not bad in themselves. In fact, they represent a legitimate exercise of Congress’ constitutional power to amend the budget proposed by the president.”
Keep dancing boys, keep dancing. Sarah Palin just keeps giving.
sd42webmaster Says:
Governor Palin has a record of fighting corruption in her party. It would be as if Obama took on the big Chicago Daley Machine and cleaned up Chicago. Except Obama has no such record. His party is AT LEAST as full of corruption and greed and misuse of power as the Republicans – yet there is no record of Obama ever once taking on the power elites in his party and telling them that they tax too much, that they spend too much, that they live too much in luxury and they need to start giving some of their tax money back.
Governor Palin has that record, Obama does not.
Sarah Palin’s record on ‘reform’:
She has worked to help Alaska become the biggest pig in the PORK barn in the country.
She is under investigation for corruption and abuse of power.
She is closely tied to indicted, corrupt Senator Ted Stevens.
She ran a 527 for corrupt Senator Stevens to circumvent MCCAIN-feingold finance laws. Hmm McCain is a familiar name.
She is tied to Don Young, corrupt Alaska Congressman through another Board and fundraising efforts.
She is tied to convicted corruption peddler Jack Abramhoff through the Washington DC lawyer she hired as mayor to bring pork to her little town. he worked for Jack which is where he learned to influence government.
As mayor she fired her police chief for not supporting her candidacy and had to fire the next one because he was a sexual offender.
She cut funds to help teems who get pregnant and…well that speaks for itself.
She built a hockey rink while her town was having a huge meth problem. 42 meth labs left operating when she went on to be governor.
What’s this about her reform background.
Obama? He authored sweeping ethics REFORM legislation in Illinois and the US Senate. It passed at both levels.
Try again.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:15 PM
DJZ, you’re confusin’ ‘em, with the facts.
You’re gonna make their heads EXPLODE!!!
September 6th, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Wow, all those allegations Ziggy d.s., and she’s still cleaner than Biden and Obama.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:49 PM
On Obama’s “authorship” of ethics legislation in Illinois:
“[Obama] was not the one to propose the ethics bill in the Illinois senate. He was not even a cosponsor until the day it passed.
Moreover, that ethics bill is watered down bullshit, that did nothing to end the system of patronage and paybacks Obama and his cronies in Chicago depended on.
On the Senate’s 2007 ethics bill. Obama had little to do with driving that legislation through. He was one of many who participated. The idea that he authored, drove, lead, etc. is horse shit, just like Obama’s record, generally, on ethics.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:44 PM
“Here’s a hint, DtM – follow the money…”
I’d much rather follow the money to investment in a highly efficient American energy source than follow the money to the Shieks of Saudi Arabia.
Our politicians need to do something, anything, instead of bitching about the price of energy and then wringing their hands about the environment. McCain and Palin will do something. Obama and Biden will do nothing. That is my in-depth comparison on Energy policies. Next up, earmarks.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:45 PM
…oh, as mayor she didn’t manage shitas she hired a city manager for a village of 5000! (well two because she fired the first one after refusing to support her on the election trail).
Did I mention that she came close to getting recalled as Mayor? That seems to be a pattern that goes with the abuse of power corruption charges she face as Governor.
——
Chestnut said:
On the Senate’s 2007 ethics bill. Obama had little to do with driving that legislation through. He was one of many who participated. The idea that he authored, drove, lead, etc. is horse shit, just like Obama’s record, generally, on ethics.
Senate Passes Coburn-Obama Bill to Create Internet Database of Federal Spending
Friday, September 8, 2006
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Obama Contact: Tommy Vietor or Robert Gibbs, 202-228-5511
Coburn Contact: John Hart, 202-228-5357
Date: September 8, 2006
Senate Passes Coburn-Obama Bill to Create Internet Database of Federal Spending
WASHINGTON – U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Tom Coburn (R-OK) today hailed the Senate’s passage of the “Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act,” a bill that will create a Google-like search engine and database to track approximately $1 trillion in federal grants, contracts, earmarks and loans.
“By helping to lift the veil of secrecy in Washington, this database will help make us better legislators, reporters better journalists, and voters more active citizens,” Obama said. “It’s both unusual and encouraging to see interest groups and bloggers on the left and the right come together to achieve results. This powerful grassroots alliance shows that at the end of the day, Americans want to see Congress work together to get something done and not continue to engage in the partisan gridlock that so often brings Capitol Hill to a grinding halt.”
“Every American has the right to know how their government spends their money, and then to hold elected officials accountable for those decisions. I applaud my colleagues for unanimously supporting a bill that will aid the American people in that effort,” Dr. Coburn said. “This bill is a small but significant step toward changing the culture in Washington. Only by fostering a culture of openness, transparency and accountability will Congress come together to address the mounting fiscal challenges that threaten our future prosperity.”
“The group that deserves credit for passing this bill, however, is not Congress, but the army of bloggers and concerned citizens who told Congress that transparency is a just demand for all citizens, not a special privilege for political insiders. Their remarkable effort demonstrates that our system of government does work when the people take the reins of government and demand change,” Dr. Coburn said.
More than 100 organizations ranging from Americans for Prosperity and Taxpayers for Common Sense to the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and Greenpeace have endorsed S. 2590.
Dozens of editorials boards across the country including the Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, Chicago Sun-Times and The Oklahoman have also endorsed S. 2590.
Forty-three Senators co-sponsored S. 2590 including Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN), Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Tom Carper (D-DE), Susan Collins (R-ME), Joe Lieberman (D-CT), John McCain (R-AZ), Hillary Clinton (D-NY), John Kerry (D-MA), John Cornyn (R-TX) and others.
WOW! So he worked with a Republican and got a bill passed on ethics that included the Majority Leader and Minority Leader but wait, wait! It also includes former opponents like Hillary Clinton and current opponents like John McCain and joe Lieberman who both say Obama NEVER reached across the aisle to do anything and never got anything done.
Then what were they signing on to?
Chestnuts also said:
“[Obama] was not the one to propose the ethics bill in the Illinois senate. He was not even a cosponsor until the day it passed.
“The” ethics bill?
Obama authored 21 ethics bills. I’ll assume you mean the gift ban law, the first broad ethics reform in Illinois since the Watergate era, prohibited politicians from using campaign funds for personal use, barred fundraising on state property, established ethics commissions, curtailed fundraisers in Springfield during legislative sessions and mandated online reporting of campaign finances. The 2003 ethics package created independent inspectors general with subpoena powers to look into abuses by legislators, statewide officeholders and their employees. It further clamped down on the types of gifts lawmakers can receive and prohibited lobbyists and their spouses from sitting on state boards and commissions. And yes, it cramped the style of Chicago politics especially the mayor and aldermen.
According to the official record of the Illinois state legislaturehttp://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/sponsor/OBAMA.html
Obama seemed to have a lot of reform legislation. This particular one he carried in the Senate for a House member and got it passed. The senate had been in Republican hands for 23 years and this was the first year the Democrats had control. So yes, a member in the House passed it there first and Obama took it up in the Senate.
You’re on a roll Chestnuts, don’t let the facts slow you down.
September 6th, 2008 at 5:46 PM
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/sponsor/OBAMA.html
September 6th, 2008 at 6:49 PM
You’re dumber than bat shit, Ziggy. I SAID OBAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 2007 ETHICS LEGISLATION. So you link to a press release — FROM 2006 — about a different bill as if that proves me wrong.
Fucking stupid, Ziggy. Fucking stupid.
And on Illinois, Obama authored shit. His name was added at the end of the process.
September 6th, 2008 at 6:52 PM
P.s. Ziggy dog shit, OBAMA’S NAME WAS ADDED AS A SPONSOR OF THOSE BILLS THE DAY THEY WENT TO THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE.
He authored jack shit. And Obama is about as unethical of a bag of shit as has ever walked the face of the earth.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:08 PM
ChinNuts,
You going to keep barking from the side lines little doggie, or are you actually going to try and play with the big dogs? If so, you’ll have to come with more than that, you’ve been smacked and packed.
So, in review, Palin has done nothing close to reform, as a matter of fact, she has been business as usual and pretty corrupt herself with no real accomplishments.
Barack Obama has 11 years of a solid record of legislative accomplishments by reaching across the aisles, fighting corruption, putting people to work and avoiding any scant of scandal in both the state Senate and the US Senate.
I don’t know what 2007 ethics legislation you’re talking about, according to you all he was running for President by then- well he was. it was 2006.
I provided the link to the legislation carried by state senator Barack Obama. Much of it became law in illinois. You can’t show us two things Sarah Palin accomplished without omitting something. Provide the link to a municipal or state statute site with her name attached to anything. You can’t.
That one peice of ethics legislation that Obama authored with Republican Coburn says it all. You need to read it again? Bi-partisan, reform-focused, signed on to by Hillary Clinton, John Mccain and Joe Lieberman.
If you have another bill tht became law in mind, please present it to us. You think the bill signed in late 2006 became law in 2007? You can’t be that stupid and made that kind of mistake could you?
September 6th, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Pass that pipe, Ziggy. You’ve been Bogarting that thing all night.
September 6th, 2008 at 10:46 PM
“Barack Obama has 11 years of a solid record of legislative accomplishments by reaching across the aisles, fighting corruption, putting people to work and avoiding any scant of scandal in both the state Senate and the US Senate.”
That’s simply the funniest thing I’ve ever read. You should go into comedy.
Obama has no record of accomplishment on any level. He votes far-left liberal 98 percent of the time. He’s never provided any form of leadership on any issue, ever.
He’s got a 30 year record as an abject failure and an extreme partisan. Nothing more.
“I provided the link to the legislation carried by state senator Barack Obama.”
Yes, you did. God job, doggie. But the FACT is that Obama’s name never appeared on the legislation until the day it went for a floor vote. I had as much to do with crafting that bill as he did.
“Provide the link to a municipal or state statute site with her name attached to anything. You can’t.”
No shit, really? You ARE aware, of course, that mayors and governors don’t author legislation, right? You do know that, don’t you?
Jesus H. Christ, you are one dumb pile of shit, Ziggy.
“That one peice of ethics legislation that Obama authored with Republican Coburn says it all.”
Yeah, he signed on to something wildly popular and with no opposition. There’s a bold stand.
Obama, the EEOC candidate, is a fucking joke.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Actually, the thing that I really love is that you stupid liberals are forced to justify Obama’s existence against our junior vice presidential pick.
And she’s still far more qualified:
-Forced former Alaskan Attorney General and the state Republican Party Chairman Rudy Ruedrich to resign over ethical violations relating to the Alaskan Oil and Gas Commission
-Swept corruption out of the Alaskan state govt. This included rescinding over 30 appointments made by the outgoing Governor prior to her election and obtaining a conviction against the previous Governor’s Chief of Staff for campaign violations which included funnelling state money to his former bosses campaign.
-Enacted legislation to spend $250 million dollars over 5 years on renewable energy projects including solar, wind, hydroelectric and natural gas
-She enacted the Alaskan Gasline Inducement Act, which took a no bid contract awarded by the previous corrupt Gov of Alaska and allowed the Alaskan pipeline to be built without Alaska having to give up its tax rights saving Alaska hundreds of millions of dollars.
-Vetoed 240 million dollars of pork barrel projects in the state budget. Over 300 projects cancelled.
-Enacted a sub cabinet group to address environmental issues, in the aide of balancing energy exploration and being environmentally friendly as possible.
-Created Alaska’s Petroleum Systems Integrity Office, this office provides oversight of all of Alaska’s energy related contracts as well as ensuring that the infrastructure of oil field infrastructure is well maintained, protecting the environment and Alaska’s economic interest.
-Palin is Chairperson of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission. This commission promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and gas resources in an environmentally friendly manner.
-As mayor of Wasilla, Palin cut property taxes by 40% while improving roads and sewers and strengthening the Police Department. She also reduced the mayoral salary.
- Palin was appointed to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission where she chaired the Commission from 2003 to 2004. She also served as Ethics Supervisor. Palin resigned in January 2004 in protest over what she called the “lack of ethics” of fellow Republican members.
-After resigning, Palin filed formal complaints against the state Republican Party’s chairman, Randy Ruedrich, and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes. She accused Ruedrich, one of her fellow commissioners, of doing work for the party on public time and working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. Ruedrich and Renkes both resigned and Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.
-In 2006, running on a clean-government platform, Palin defeated then-Governor Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary.
-In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state’s North Slope.
In short, Palin has done more in her short career in public service than Barak Obama has lied about when citing his “accomplishments.”
September 6th, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Name one time, ever, where Barack Obama has bucked his party on any issue of significance.
For one year, John McCain voted with the Republican party about 90 percent of the time. On average, however, he only votes with the party about 65 percent of the time… moreover, he has challenged the Republican party on numerous significant issues, from detainee treatment, to campaign finance, to immigration and beyond.
Conversely, Barack Obama votes with his party 97 percent of the time… and has never, once challenged the party dogma.
If the country is seeking a moderate, Barack Obama is NOT the answer.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Now this from Ziggy, d.s.: “I don’t know what 2007 ethics legislation you’re talking about, according to you all he was running for President by then- well he was. it was 2006.”
Clearly you don’t, you dumb shit…. because I have a few spare moments, I’m going to take Ziggy dog shit to the woodshed just a little more.
When most refer to “ethics reform” they think of the comprehensive legislative battles that have taken place over the past couple years, and regarding which both Barack Obama and John McCain have been involved. Ziggy dog shit prefers to focus on one, narrowly focused (which was really more about transparency than about “ethics”) bill that Obama supported, and which had no opposition… in fact, Obama was one of 47 co-sponsors — nearly half the Senate — for the bill.
Let’s focus on the more comprehensive package, because it’s the legislation Barak Obama is referring to when he talks about ethics reform.
There are two such bills. According to Factcheck.org, The Senate passed an ethics bill (S. 2349) March 29, 2006, with strong bipartisan support – the vote was 90 to 8 – but both Obama and McCain were among those voting against the measure on grounds that it did not go far enough. That bill failed to become law, but in 2007 (after Democrats took control) the Senate passed a version (S. 1) Obama and McCain both supported. That vote was 98 to 2.
But in the end, the two found themselves again on opposite sides on the ethics law. When a House-passed version came back to the Senate, McCain voted against it and Obama went along with the severely watered down measure and voted for it. That version passed 83 to 14 and became law.
McCain complained that the House had stripped out any “meaningful” reforms of earmarks. In fact, the Obama, under the Obama-supported version, only appropriations earmarks will be subject to challenge via points of order, not the abundant special provisions scattered through authorization bills.
A reading of the fine print shows that the public disclosure of earmark information, one of the big changes of the lobbying and ethics law (PL 110-81), doesn’t have to happen until a late stage in the legislative process…
In other words, the database passed in 2006 is pretty much undermined and worthless — probably why COBURN voted against it. He said: ““Rather than opening the secret chambers of government to the public, this new Congress has opted to change the locks. This bill, which was negotiated in secret, guts key earmark reforms that both houses of Congress approved overwhelmingly. Unfortunately, this process shows that Congress’s 28 percent approval rating is well-deserved.”
More Obama puffery and cowardice.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:14 AM
I neglected to mention that the watered down, ineffective, Obama-supported legislation that undermines all earmark reform he supported in 2006… was completed in 2007.
In short, Ziggy dog shit, S. 1 IS the “2007 ethics legislation” I was talking about, when filleting Obama for his spinelessness and lack of accomplishment… you dumb s.o.b.
September 7th, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Do you spit when you type?
Your whole Sarah Palin ‘record’ is on the commission she SAT on and collected 122,000/yr from BEFORE realizing that she had no power and decided to burn the entire village. That’s more than half of your proof.
Once again, Palin was for something before she was against it.
In 2006 when she ran against Murkowski, who was she endorsed and mostly by? I’ll help the currently corrupt and indicted twins- Steven and Young.
So she was for corruption AND against corruption at the same time.
Why would a ‘reformer’ chair a 527 committee set up to circumvent the McCain feingold legislation on campaign finance? Oh, it was a pro-Ted Stevens 527 to fight back on allegations of-corruption. Shock. Not really, since he has been indicted on 17 counts.
So she was for Stevens, before she was against him.
Palin has brought home her own share of pork, according to an examination by Taxpayers for Common Sense that was reported in the Washington Post. During the four years she was mayor of the 6,700-resident town of Wasilla, Palin hired the law firm of Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh to represent the small town on Capitol Hill. The result was nearly $27 million in federal earmarks in the final four years that Palin was mayor, including $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs and $15 million for a rail project, the Post reported.
Despite her success in getting federal funds for Wasilla, McCain introduced Palin as his partner in fighting wasteful spending. Palin said that as governor, she “stood up to the old politics-as-usual, to the special interests, to the lobbyists, the big oil companies, and the good-ol’-boy network.” The Alaska governor has been outspoken against Rep. Don Young and Sen. Ted Stevens, who was indicted in July on corruption charges, though the law firm she hired to bring in the earmarks has connections to both lawmakers.
Reformer my ass.
September 7th, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Chestnuts said
As mayor of Wasilla, Palin cut property taxes by 40% while improving roads and sewers and strengthening the Police Department. She also reduced the mayoral salary.
Well, good for her, except that she was able to do that because the rest of us paid for it. She lobbied our federal tax dollars to reduce the local tax burden. She cut the mayor’s salary because she hired a town manager to do the real work. Where did the money come from to do those things you tout about her? EARMARKS dipshit!
A sampling of the 14 earmarks, totaling $26.9 million, directed to the city of Wasilla from 2000 through 2003 (three fucking years for a town that’s one-tenth the size of Woodbury!). Sarah Palin was mayor from 1996 to 2002.
• $1.9 million for the Wasilla
Intermodal Transit Project, to realign rail and bus routes to increase use of public transit in the region.
• $500,000 for Kids Are People
Inc., an emergency shelter for
youths transitioning out of juvenile
detention facilities.
• $15 million for a rail project to
connect Wasilla with Girdwood, the
home town of Sen. Ted Stevens (R).
• $1.75 million to upgrade
emergency communications
between authorities at the Wasilla
dispatch center.
• $600,000 to upgrade bus
stations.
• $900,000 to upgrade water and
sewer facilities.
Hey, I see a light rail project in there. 15 fucking million dollars to connect two town who’s population don’t add up to that of Bemidji.
So, is she trying to socially engineer Alaskans into public transportation and all of the other shit you Righties locally have railed on for years?
She will continue to make a fool of you.
ChimpNuts wrote:
I’m going to take Ziggy dog shit to the woodshed just a little more.
…and you never walked out.
September 7th, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Ziggy,
You can distort the facts all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that as a VP, Palin is more prepared to be president than Obama, the Dems EEOC candidate.
Obama hasn’t accomplished one single thing, other than write two autobiographies, in his entire career. He’s a loser, a failure, a partisan whack-job.
If it weren’t for the soft bigotry of low expectations, the EEOC candidate would be flipping hamburgers.
Even as EIC of the Harvard Law Review, he was elected because he was a nice, clean house boy, and in the context of great racial division at Harvard. He was a token then, he’s a token now… no one else would be interested in that man’s story, were it not for fascists and bigots propping him up.
He’s done nothing. Has no experience. And his judgment on all things foreign and domestic has been repeatedly WRONG.
He’s an EEOC candidate. Nothing more.
September 7th, 2008 at 7:18 PM
As EIC of the Harvard Law Review, the token, EEOC candidate is credited for lowering the standards of quality and scholarship at the publication. In fact, the volume of the HLR that the EEOC token candidate Obama oversaw is seen as a profile in mediocrity… Editorial standards were lowered, the normally high bar of legal scholarship was lowered, and therefor the HLR Obama oversaw is among the least cited and authoritative volumes of the HLR ever produced.
The diversity candidate has a long, storied career as a mediocre, self-promoting, egotistical jackass. Obama is a joke. But not quite as big of a joke as the plagiarist who nearly was booted from law school before finishing at the bottom of his class that Obama chose for VP… Biden and Obama, two egotistical jackasses that have not one serious accomplishment between them, running at the top of the Democrat presidential ticket.
Buyers remorse, anyone? The Zogby and Gallup polls reflecting Obama/Biden down 4 percent nationally should cause some pause… The trend has been against them now for a couple weeks.
The bloom is off the EEOC candidate’s rose, so to speak.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:26 PM
It’s her record and will be repeated.
A sampling of the 14 earmarks, totaling $26.9 million, directed to the city of Wasilla from 2000 through 2003 (three fucking years for a town that’s one-tenth the size of Woodbury!). Sarah Palin was mayor from 1996 to 2002.
• $1.9 million for the Wasilla
Intermodal Transit Project, to realign rail and bus routes to increase use of public transit in the region.
• $500,000 for Kids Are People
Inc., an emergency shelter for
youths transitioning out of juvenile
detention facilities.
• $15 million for a rail project to
connect Wasilla with Girdwood, the
home town of Sen. Ted Stevens (R).
• $1.75 million to upgrade
emergency communications
between authorities at the Wasilla
dispatch center.
• $600,000 to upgrade bus
stations.
• $900,000 to upgrade water and
sewer facilities.
And, she left the town of 6,000 in a 20 million dollar debt!
ChinNuts, if you got any proof that anything above is wrong- put it out there.
You don’t like Obama. You won’t vote for him, fine but, if Affirmative Action helps a poor student of color get into a top school AND they perform as well as Obama has by rising to the top of his class and leading his classmates- then I say more affirmative action and you who are against affirmative action need to ask why the best and brightest are being overlooked?
Is it possible the token/legacy/quota practice of taking in children of alums force out good qualified students like Obama? Its how Bush got into Yale AND Harvard and McCain got into the Naval Academy and graduated at the bottom – I repeat, the bottom of his class and went on to become one of the worst pilots in Naval History to keep his wings.
You’re so stupid that you don’t understand that your uninformed rant against Obama and Affirmative Action only makes the case of its success as a program.
Palin? 4 year degree from 5 schools in 6 years.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:47 PM
“ChinNuts, if you got any proof that anything above is wrong- put it out there. ”
I never said it was. She did an amazing job of representing the needs of her city. Her executive experience brought much needed infrastructure improvements to her town, and she leveraged an excellent mix of bonding and support from the federal and state governments to achieve her miracle turn around. In short, Sarah Palin is brilliant.
Thanks for bringing her sterling record to my attention, and for spreading the word, Ziggy.
YOur EEOC candidate, on the other hand, has no record of accomplishment whatsoever. Record shows that he’s been truly lazy and disengaged in every position of responsibility, from EIC and HLR to the U.S. Sentate.
He’s a poster child for why Affirmative Action should be scrapped.
And btw — I’d love to see you back up the claim that McCain was “one of the worst piolots in Naval History to keep his wings.”
That’s a chestnut if there ever was one.
You’re so fucking stupid you don’t know when the lies end and your idiocy begins. Fuck off now, little Ziggy dog shit.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:51 PM
While I enjoy laughing about the comparatives between your EEOC candidate and our VP pick, you mentioned something about finishing at the bottom of the class…
Let’s look at your VP pick. Finished at the bottom of his class in law school, and was nearly expelled for plagiarism. Upon graduation, he discovered that he had been playing football and working as a lifeguard with a crippling case of childhood asthma, which disqualified him from the draft… following 5 deferments.
Seriously, the Dem ticket is a laugher. The EEOC candidate and the plagiarist… it should be written as a sitcom.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Oh, and by the way, Ziggy dog shit, do you know anything about that list of earmarks you listed, particularly the “rail” project?
Sure, Girdwood is one destination on that line. Do you know what the primary destination is? … wait for it … ANCHORAGE.
The good news is that regarding those earmarks, the truth is out there. And the truth is that the funding wasn’t for Wasilla alone. The truth is that they were for the greater Anchorage area, including Wasilla and many other communities… and these projects improved REGIONAL commuter access, support tourism, trade, commerce, etc.
In truth, Wasilla received only $6.4 Million in earmarks over a decade… but that doesn’t sound as impressive, does it, you lying piece of shit.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:58 PM
A sampling of the 14 earmarks, totaling $26.9 million, directed to the city of Wasilla from 2000 through 2003 (three fucking years for a town that’s one-tenth the size of Woodbury!). Sarah Palin was mayor from 1996 to 2002.
• $1.9 million for the Wasilla
Intermodal Transit Project, to realign rail and bus routes to increase use of public transit in the region.
• $500,000 for Kids Are People
Inc., an emergency shelter for
youths transitioning out of juvenile
detention facilities.
• $15 million for a rail project to
connect Wasilla with Girdwood, the
home town of Sen. Ted Stevens (R).
• $1.75 million to upgrade
emergency communications
between authorities at the Wasilla
dispatch center.
• $600,000 to upgrade bus
stations.
• $900,000 to upgrade water and
sewer facilities.
And, she left the town of 6,000 in a 20 million dollar debt!
September 8th, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Yep, the 15 million for the rail project connects Wasilla with Anchorage, and Anchorage to Girdwood. It’s part of a regional transit system, that will improve transportation for hundreds of thousands of people.
Sarah Palin has accomplished wonderful things for her constituents. She led critical infrastructure improvements to her small town, vanquished corruption and has a sterling career all the way around.
She’ll be an amazing vice president… hell, she’ll be an amazing President some day.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:06 PM
In all seriousness, that is an amazing list of Palin’s accomplishments. In just a sampling of the initiatives she:
Oversaw the realignment of rail and bus routes to increase use of public transit Anchorage/Wasilla;
increased funding for an emergency shelter for
youths transitioning out of juvenile
detention facilities; upgraded emergency communications between authorities at the Wasilla
dispatch center; upgraded the city’s bus
stations; and improved water and sewer facilities.
In 30 years, Barak Obama hasn’t accomplished a list of things even 5 percent as impressive. Palin is far more qualified than the Dems EEOC candidate.