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TEAM FRANKEN WANTS RECOUNT TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION
By Michael B. Brodkorb | November 7, 2008
In an outright stunning admission of what their goals and objectives are, Team Franken’s recount attorney, former U.S. Attorney David Lillehaug, says the recount isn’t actually about recount, but about who “…would be the best Senator for the State of Minnesotaâ€
Lillehaug recently said the following:
“‘I expect that there will be not just lawyers but people with experience in recounts and thoughts on it because there are many people, not just in Minnesota, but around the country that believe that Al Franken would be the best senator for the state of Minnesota,’ Lillehaug said” Source: Pioneer Press, November 5, 2008
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A former U.S. Attorney such as Lillehaug should have enough class and enough respect for the law to know that a recount, is just that – a recount. This recount is not an invitation to change the outcome of the election because you don’t like who it was that won.
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November 7th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Lillehaug sounds just like Gore’s team in 2000. They “knew” that Gore won, they just had to get some judges to change election law to help them prove it. Of course, they just wanted recounts in Democrat dominated counties, not the whole state.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.
If there’s no news, you’re not obligated to post.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
It seems that there is a whole group of liberals that feel obligated to comment here whenever ANYTHING is posted, whether they think it’s news or not.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Jesus, is this weak.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Jeff, why did you bother to post on a “no news” post?
Don’t you see your own pathetic nature?
November 7th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Michael: You’re a liar. And instead of just saying so, I’ll explain why:
Just because he said there’s a belief “that Al Franken would be the best senator,” doesn’t mean he “wants recount to change the outcome,” nor does he believe that he thinks it is an “invitation to change the outcome.” You’re making that up. In other words, you’re a liar.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Aaron: You have a real problem with anger. BTW, don’t call me liar.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
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November 7th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Best senator for the state of Minnesota?
Yes Mr. Lillehaug, I have real confidence in some angry clown that states he will bring bi-partisanship to Washington and represent all people including us “right-wing MFers” and “D#%@ H#*ds” he proclaims to hate.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
It appears that Norm Coleman will win the certified election totals. For Al Franken to become senator at that point, the totals would have to be changed. If Ritchie had any ounce of credibility left, he would insist that Lillehaug be removed from the recount.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Does not his statement say that ” people with experience in recounts and thoughts” will come to comment and help with the debate “BECAUSE there are many people … that believe that Al Franken would be the best senator for the state of Minnesota”? The word ‘because’ suggests causality; they are going to participate in the recount because they want Franken to win. That’s what Lillehaug said. You might not like Michael’s inference, but it’s not a lie. You might want instead to suggest to Mr. Lillehaug that he speak more clearly.
Mr. Lillehaug’s right: There are many people that DO believe Al Franken would be the best senator for the state of Minnesota. There are, at present count, slightly more people who believe Norm Coleman would be the best senator for Minnesota. We are interested in the count of those people, only if they are legal voters in the state of Minnesota who expressed those votes dutifully on legal ballots. And we hope that SOS Ritchie executes his duties to make that count of legal votes on legal ballots in a fair, secure and transparent process. So how about you take a deep breath and wait for the canvass?
November 7th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
History Lesson on Florida 2000:
“Of course, they just wanted recounts in Democrat dominated counties, not the whole state.”"
Yes they did, and Bush said any recount should be the whole state. But here is the irony. Those ballots were counted by an independent media pool and know what they discovered. That if Gore’s recount would have been allowed to be carried out, Bush still wins by 225. BUT if the entire state would have been recounted, a task never undertaken, Gores wins by 171
“So how about you take a deep breath and wait for the canvass?”
Did ya hear that Mike, your radio colleague is telling you take take a chill pill *laughing* Well, everyone I guess!
Now, Lilihaug may have been a little over the top, but at least he didn’t declare victory. I mean, NO ONE would think of disrespecting the process and the very integrity of the election itself by politicizing it and trying to stifle said process. Anyone that attempted that doesn’t deserve to be in the Senate, right?!? Thank God no one has crossed that line *tongue meet cheek*
November 7th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
” people, … around the country that believe that Al Franken would be the best senator for the state of Minnesota,’ ”
Who gives a flying fuck what people from around the country think or who they think would be the best Senator for Minnesota. They got their own goddam states to vote for.
The slimy, scum sucking bitches shouldn’t even have the right to contribute to our Senate races, much less weigh in with opinions about how we conduct our re-count.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
“Aaron: You have a real problem with anger. BTW, don’t call me liar.”
Aaron is a dickless wonder. He’s a fucking coward. Aaron Landry is a complete fucking loser.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
have you got a source other than DUh underground or are you barking out your moonbat ass?
November 7th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
BTW:
“”TEAM FRANKEN WANTS RECOUNT TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION”"
That is a blatant lie, I mean deceptive spin. We don’t know the outcome of the election, so how could you, or anyone claim that someone would want to change said outcome. I doubt, once the outcome of the election is determined, should Franken prevail, that he would want to change that.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
“BUT if the entire state would have been recounted, a task never undertaken, Gores wins by 171″
… you forgot to add the provision that if the most liberal interpretation of how ballots could be interpreted were also applied.
There’s no legitimate recount that would have made Al Gore the winner of Florida in 2000.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Still waiting for your unbiased source flash?
November 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Using any standard to recount the entire state would have given the state to Gore. Several different reviews were made and all came to the same conclusion.
Review of All Ballots Statewide (never undertaken)
• Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey Gore by 171
• Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots
Gore by 115
• Any dimples or optical mark
Gore by 107
• One corner of chad detached or optical mark
Gore by 60
Review of Limited Sets of Ballots (initiated but not completed)
• Gore request for recounts of all ballots in Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia counties
Bush by 225
• Florida Supreme Court of all undervotes statewide
Bush by 430
• Florida Supreme Court as being implemented by the counties, some of whom refused and some counted overvotes as well as undervotes
Bush by 493
ALL ballot interpretation were used and in ALL cases Gores wins a statewide recount. But I agree that “no legitimate recount that would have made Al Gore the winner of Florida in 2000.” Because a statewide recount was never on the table and therfore not legitimate
Listen, Bush won, I do not dispute that. Gore asked for selected counts, that was the recount that was going on and stopped by the supreme court that if carried out would still show a Bush victory.
There are a few different stories out there, but they all came to the same conclusions. Had the recount stopped by the Supreme court continued, Bush wins. BUT, if the whole state would have been recounted, never undertaken and never supported by Gore himself, Gore wins. Oh the irony:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
Gore’s four-county strategy
Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted — a hand recount in heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some additional support but still would have lost the election — by a 225-vote margin statewide.
Inclusion of overvotes
In addition to undervotes, thousands of ballots in the Florida presidential election were invalidated because they had too many marks. This happened, for example, when a voter correctly marked a candidate and also wrote in that candidate’s name. The consortium looked at what might have happened if a statewide recount had included these overvotes as well and found that Gore would have had a margin of fewer than 200 votes.
= = =
Now this is only germain in that we don;t have that problem here in MN. We have a set criteria to determine voter intent, and stated method in carrying out a recount, and because of the fine work by former SoS Joan Growe there is virtually no jurisdiction by a court of law in the recount process.
My Senator wuill be the individual who is finally awarded the election following the statutory recount.
Flash
November 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
” should Franken prevail, that he would want to change that.’
DUH!
November 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
“Still waiting for your unbiased source flash?”
You mentioned DU Underground and something about a moonbat ass, it was clear you weren’t talking to me. But a couple links are in the response to Mr Chestnut. Aside from that, I think you know how to use Google
November 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Are there any self respecting, voter respecting DFLers who are going to speak out against what is slowly happening here?
The Franken team is quite literally stealing vote after vote to try to change the real outcome.
I hope these thug thiefs get caught with their hands in the voters cookie jar and are exposed.
Theft is no way to “win” and election!
November 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Chestnut = Town Stooge
Ship it!
November 7th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Steph:
Do you have any credible evidence to support your claim, or are you just a whiner?
November 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
“Are there any self respecting, voter respecting DFLers who are going to speak out against what is slowly happening here?”
Why would any self respecting member of any party want to speak out against a process that is common, typical. Pleas, Steph, you seem pretty sharp. Don’t rely on just MDE for your source.
All the Coleman Camp is wanting to do is cast doubt on a very meticulous and proive3n process, so if it doesn’t go there way, they will be lingering doubt at who the true winner is.
I will accept the final recount result no matter who ends up on top. that is the only attitude of anyone with self respect, regardless of party.
Two examples, one on Publius, the other in an EMail I received, both under Kiffmeyer:
let’s rewind to 2006. When 100% of the precincts were reported the day after the election, major media outlets reported the same numbers the Secretary of State had: Mark Kennedy had 839,173 votes and Amy Klobuchar had 1,279,515 votes. By the time the voting was certified, the new totals were 835,653 and 1,278,849, a difference of 3520 votes for Kennedy and a difference of 666 votes for Klobuchar.
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Results of the Second District congressional election continued to fluctuate Friday, with the secretary of state’s Web site indicating Republican Mark Kennedy had unseated DFLer David Minge by 150 votes, compared with a margin of 438 on Thursday.
Bob Schroeder, deputy secretary of state, said the changes reflect adjustments based on preliminary reviews of the totals in each county.
With the new count, Kennedy’s overall total dropped by 32 votes and Minge’s rose by 256. …
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Its NEVER this close, no one ever pays attention to these standard and normal fluctuations. I recall in Florida how the numbers bounced all over the place under the same circumstance.
Only those trying to stifle the process have self respect issues.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
“right-wing MFers†and “D#%@ H#*dsâ€
That describes half the people who post here. You know who you are.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
MinnyDem,
Noone knows themselves to be a “right-wing MFerâ€. Anyone who seriously thought that would seek change. I may see you as someone who will not be honest with yourself, but you will always think you are honest with yourself. Everyone pretty much rationalizes their behavior as matching their self-interest, which makes that behavior (and belief system) good to them.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Maybe, just maybe a loyal MNGOPer subtracted 100 votes from the total.
They got scared because of the recount and “found†them.
Think about it, subtracting a few votes (100) from solid DFL areas wouldn’t be noticed, unless there was a recount.
Norm knew he would be losing certain counties by big numbers, could votes have been subracted to affect the statewide totals?
He said,she said
November 8th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Google has 1.6 million hits for Impeach Obama!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Impeach+Obama!+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
November 8th, 2008 at 11:24 am
With over 300,000 Obama voters going for Coleman, the people have spoken clearly. If Ritchie orchestrates a Franken victory, it will be more than Republicans who will know something stinks. What I can’t figure is the 300,000 who chose the Marxist but rejected Franken. As for getting your news somewhere besides here, wait till regulation limits our free speech rights. CBS will tell us who we can vote for again.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Flash,
Gore didn’t win after the first state-wide recount. You’re right though, I suppose… if the ballots could get handled often enough, then Gore might have won.
Gimme a break.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
danbrome = dumb mother fucker.
Ship it.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Flash: let’s pretend you’re right.
It just shows that Al Gore’s fascist tendencies backfired on him.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:38 am
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