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		<title>By: Mustang09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mustang09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I looked at the recount results, it appears that in the vast majority of the precincts, the machine counts and the recounts matched exactly, and the votes lost for one candidate usually match exactly the number of challenges that candidate had....meaning that to my eye, the machines did not make any mistakes, and since they cannot be biased or have an agenda, or for that matter blink at the wrong time or get tired, I trust the machines. It&#039;s the humans that you can&#039;t trust. In Ramsey county there were several precincts that seemed to just take votes away from candidates without challenges, they just came off the totals and moved into the &quot;other&quot; column. Human error will vastly exceed machine error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I looked at the recount results, it appears that in the vast majority of the precincts, the machine counts and the recounts matched exactly, and the votes lost for one candidate usually match exactly the number of challenges that candidate had&#8230;.meaning that to my eye, the machines did not make any mistakes, and since they cannot be biased or have an agenda, or for that matter blink at the wrong time or get tired, I trust the machines. It&#8217;s the humans that you can&#8217;t trust. In Ramsey county there were several precincts that seemed to just take votes away from candidates without challenges, they just came off the totals and moved into the &#8220;other&#8221; column. Human error will vastly exceed machine error.</p>
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		<title>By: danbrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>danbrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>snoopdog...  nothing like some good old fashioned bigotry to make you point.

Your ignorance is astonishing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snoopdog&#8230;  nothing like some good old fashioned bigotry to make you point.</p>
<p>Your ignorance is astonishing!</p>
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		<title>By: Leroy Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leroy Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If, as Chestnut says, Norm took 20 percent from the democrats, would it be fair to assume that Al took 20 percent from the republicans to force this race to, for all intents and purposes, tie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, as Chestnut says, Norm took 20 percent from the democrats, would it be fair to assume that Al took 20 percent from the republicans to force this race to, for all intents and purposes, tie?</p>
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		<title>By: Yoni C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yoni C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snoop

Nothing like bashing homosexuals to add legitimacy to Michael&#039;s blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snoop</p>
<p>Nothing like bashing homosexuals to add legitimacy to Michael&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: snoopdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>snoopdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madia:  He suck and swallows

danbrome:  Liberace Gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madia:  He suck and swallows</p>
<p>danbrome:  Liberace Gay.</p>
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		<title>By: danbrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>danbrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashwin Madia is solid as a rock, and committed to serving the country he loves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashwin Madia is solid as a rock, and committed to serving the country he loves.</p>
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		<title>By: danbrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>danbrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chestnut read BOTH Sean Hannity&#039;s and Karl Rove&#039;s books, 8 times each.

And he doesn&#039;t even know how to spell rimming.

Incredible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chestnut read BOTH Sean Hannity&#8217;s and Karl Rove&#8217;s books, 8 times each.</p>
<p>And he doesn&#8217;t even know how to spell rimming.</p>
<p>Incredible!</p>
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		<title>By: danbrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>danbrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franken by 503.  You heard it here first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franken by 503.  You heard it here first.</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bullshit. Coleman drew about 20 percent support from Democrats. Thereâ€™s no math that justifies your silly as shit assumption.&quot;

You&#039;re telling me that any given vote from an Obama supporter has a 20% chance of also voting for Norm Coleman.  Ok fair enough.  Then by that logic any given Obama vote has an (80-Barkley)% of going for Franken.  

If machine errors do not favor one candidate or another the distribution of undervotes will be directly proportional to the complete populations&#039; vote.  

The distribution of undervotes occurs in population centers where Obama received a larger percentage than did Coleman.  Thus for any given Obama vote that registered, by a machine, an undervote for the Senate, Franken has the aforementioned (80-Barkley)% of winning that vote. Unless Barkley won the Obama vote by more than 60% in these precincts with rich residual votes, Franken has a greater likelihood of receiving any given, randomly occurring undervote on a ballot that was cast for Obama.

In response to the &quot;Educate yourself, shit for brains.&quot;  I have educated myself.  I read two papers, totaling 40 pages from two of the best academic institutions on the planet.  What have you done to educate yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bullshit. Coleman drew about 20 percent support from Democrats. Thereâ€™s no math that justifies your silly as shit assumption.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re telling me that any given vote from an Obama supporter has a 20% chance of also voting for Norm Coleman.  Ok fair enough.  Then by that logic any given Obama vote has an (80-Barkley)% of going for Franken.  </p>
<p>If machine errors do not favor one candidate or another the distribution of undervotes will be directly proportional to the complete populations&#8217; vote.  </p>
<p>The distribution of undervotes occurs in population centers where Obama received a larger percentage than did Coleman.  Thus for any given Obama vote that registered, by a machine, an undervote for the Senate, Franken has the aforementioned (80-Barkley)% of winning that vote. Unless Barkley won the Obama vote by more than 60% in these precincts with rich residual votes, Franken has a greater likelihood of receiving any given, randomly occurring undervote on a ballot that was cast for Obama.</p>
<p>In response to the &#8220;Educate yourself, shit for brains.&#8221;  I have educated myself.  I read two papers, totaling 40 pages from two of the best academic institutions on the planet.  What have you done to educate yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: Chestnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chestnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>danbrome, did you give Madia a good riming again this evening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>danbrome, did you give Madia a good riming again this evening?</p>
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		<title>By: Maxus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whatev.... most of the franken gains were from DFL precints.... alot of st paul..and st louis county...that is to be expected</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatev&#8230;. most of the franken gains were from DFL precints&#8230;. alot of st paul..and st louis county&#8230;that is to be expected</p>
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		<title>By: danbrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>danbrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all need to cut Chestnut a little slack. He is already having nightmares about the Franken re-election campaign of 2014, and this has caused him to become unhinged.  Hopefully, Norm will make a gracious concession to help Chestnut cope with the 503 vote defeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all need to cut Chestnut a little slack. He is already having nightmares about the Franken re-election campaign of 2014, and this has caused him to become unhinged.  Hopefully, Norm will make a gracious concession to help Chestnut cope with the 503 vote defeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Chestnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chestnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez your fucking stupid whatever. 

Educate yourself, shit for brains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez your fucking stupid whatever. </p>
<p>Educate yourself, shit for brains.</p>
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		<title>By: Chestnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chestnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if they did, and the machine didnâ€™t count it for whatever reason, that vote is likely either for Franken or Barkley.&quot;

Bullshit. Coleman drew about 20 percent support from Democrats. There&#039;s no math that justifies your silly as shit assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if they did, and the machine didnâ€™t count it for whatever reason, that vote is likely either for Franken or Barkley.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bullshit. Coleman drew about 20 percent support from Democrats. There&#8217;s no math that justifies your silly as shit assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Chestnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chestnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If there are more undervotes from voters who voted for Obama, who do you think they likely voted for in the Senate, if they voted at all.&quot;

Who knows. There&#039;s a pretty good chance they did not vote for Franken, because Franken trailed Obama by 15 percentage points. 

Your assumption that an Obama vote is even a likely Franken vote is so flawed as to be fucking stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If there are more undervotes from voters who voted for Obama, who do you think they likely voted for in the Senate, if they voted at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who knows. There&#8217;s a pretty good chance they did not vote for Franken, because Franken trailed Obama by 15 percentage points. </p>
<p>Your assumption that an Obama vote is even a likely Franken vote is so flawed as to be fucking stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: loris</title>
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		<dc:creator>loris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet they want the one featured on MPR&#039;s website to count.  It has a little scribble about an inch and ah alf to the left of Franken&#039;s circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet they want the one featured on MPR&#8217;s website to count.  It has a little scribble about an inch and ah alf to the left of Franken&#8217;s circle.</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chestnut:

I want you to find me a direct quote or reference in which the Franken campaign overtly says that any person who voted for Obama and undervoted the Senate should automatically be marked in Frankens&#039; column.

The arguement is that there WILL be undervotes, machines make mistakes.  There are more residual votes from precincts that heavily voted for Obama.  Go look at the SOS website if you don&#039;t believe me, open up excel and make a table.

If there are more undervotes from voters who voted for Obama, who do you think they likely voted for in the Senate, if they voted at all.  If they didn&#039;t vote, they didn&#039;t vote.  But if they did, and the machine didn&#039;t count it for whatever reason, that vote is likely either for Franken or Barkley.

Given that there are residual votes from people who voted for Obama, the logical conclusion implies that after the machine counts are rechecked, Franken will likely gain votes from the inclusion of these residual votes.

Dartmouth College and MIT did research on this issue.  I suggest you educate yourself.  

Google:
&quot;site:dartmouth.edu residual votes pdf&quot;
&quot;site:mit.edu minnesota senate&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chestnut:</p>
<p>I want you to find me a direct quote or reference in which the Franken campaign overtly says that any person who voted for Obama and undervoted the Senate should automatically be marked in Frankens&#8217; column.</p>
<p>The arguement is that there WILL be undervotes, machines make mistakes.  There are more residual votes from precincts that heavily voted for Obama.  Go look at the SOS website if you don&#8217;t believe me, open up excel and make a table.</p>
<p>If there are more undervotes from voters who voted for Obama, who do you think they likely voted for in the Senate, if they voted at all.  If they didn&#8217;t vote, they didn&#8217;t vote.  But if they did, and the machine didn&#8217;t count it for whatever reason, that vote is likely either for Franken or Barkley.</p>
<p>Given that there are residual votes from people who voted for Obama, the logical conclusion implies that after the machine counts are rechecked, Franken will likely gain votes from the inclusion of these residual votes.</p>
<p>Dartmouth College and MIT did research on this issue.  I suggest you educate yourself.  </p>
<p>Google:<br />
&#8220;site:dartmouth.edu residual votes pdf&#8221;<br />
&#8220;site:mit.edu minnesota senate&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chestnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chestnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time some dishonest sack of shit from the Franken campaign talks about &quot;the importance of counting all the ballots&quot; or &quot;determining voter intent,&quot; consider the fact that the following is a ballot that Franken wants thrown out: 

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/assets_c/2008/11/plymouth17-thumb-350x164.jpg

Apparently, that vote doesn&#039;t demonstrate clear intent to vote for Coleman. 

Meanwhile, the dishonest sacks of shit at the Franken campaign tried to argue that an undervote with a vote for Obama was a vote for Franken. 

Franken is a dishonest sack of shit that should be forcibly removed from the State of Minnesota, permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time some dishonest sack of shit from the Franken campaign talks about &#8220;the importance of counting all the ballots&#8221; or &#8220;determining voter intent,&#8221; consider the fact that the following is a ballot that Franken wants thrown out: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/assets_c/2008/11/plymouth17-thumb-350x164.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/assets_c/2008/11/plymouth17-thumb-350&#215;164.jpg</a></p>
<p>Apparently, that vote doesn&#8217;t demonstrate clear intent to vote for Coleman. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, the dishonest sacks of shit at the Franken campaign tried to argue that an undervote with a vote for Obama was a vote for Franken. </p>
<p>Franken is a dishonest sack of shit that should be forcibly removed from the State of Minnesota, permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it curious that your headline wasn&#039;t something along the lines of this:

Coleman gains -43 votes based on recount results of 15.49% of ballots.

	4-Nov	Recount	Change
Norm	195708	195638	-70
Al	180950	180923	-27
			
Franken Net Gain:	43

I&#039;d also like to point out that Franken gained these 43 votes from a demographic bloc that was overly supportive of Coleman, relative to the total state result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it curious that your headline wasn&#8217;t something along the lines of this:</p>
<p>Coleman gains -43 votes based on recount results of 15.49% of ballots.</p>
<p>	4-Nov	Recount	Change<br />
Norm	195708	195638	-70<br />
Al	180950	180923	-27</p>
<p>Franken Net Gain:	43</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to point out that Franken gained these 43 votes from a demographic bloc that was overly supportive of Coleman, relative to the total state result.</p>
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