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FORMER DFL LEGISLATOR: “THE PARTY HAS BECOME WAY TOO LIBERAL FOR ME”
By Ryan Flynn | July 13, 2009
“‘I would describe myself as an independent, conservative Democrat,’ he said. ‘The party has become way too liberal for me.’
As an example of how the DFL has changed he noted that in 1973 when he co-authored legislation to ask Congress to overturn the Roe v. Wade abortion ruling he said he obtained the support of 90 percent of the DFLers.” Source: Brainerd Dispatch, July 13, 2009.
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July 13th, 2009 at 10:42 AM
I first met Wenzel in 1996 when he was challenging Colin Peterson for the endorsement for Congress, for the third time.
This guy is no more relevant than if we found some the old Pillsbury-type Republicans like Arne Carlson to speak on the party.
Today’s Republicans are further to the Right than in Wenzel’s time too.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:45 AM
From your post DJZ I do not see a denial that the DFL has become “way to liberal”. You attack the messenger and ignore the message.
Typical liberal response DJZ. When you there is no defense of the facts you attack the messenger. Disgraceful.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Facts? Its his opinion.
Besides, for me to argue against it would be akin to saying that being more progressive/liberal is a bad thing. Its not.
I took the opportunity to point out that he’s just not relevant. Like Arne Carlson to you guys.
By the way, most of the Republicans you supported when you started voting could not get elected by your party today.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Pete (Focussed on 2010),
Why do you assume that everything DJZ – or any other “liberal” – posts has to be a denial?
And let’s take this thread. If I point out that the actor Harrison Ford is not relevent, I am not attacking him. I am just saying he is not relevent.
Even though you have changed your screen name, I see your rush to bitter hatred is still intact.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:14 AM
DJZ,
Most of the Democrats who ran in the fifties and sixties could not get elected as Democrats today either. That said, Ronald Reagan ran and governed as a conservative and won two landslide elections over Democrats.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Chris,
and Teddy Kennedy couldn’t get the nomination back then.
It was different times for both parties.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:20 AM
The first Republican I voted for was Ronald Reagan and I believe that if he were running today he would be elected.
The first President I bothered to vote for was George McGovern. The second was Jimmy Carter, twice.
The Democrat party has left many old time Democrats behind. I can only assume that is something you are proud of DJZ.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:29 AM
I’m proud of the advances we’ve made. I look at the party back then and it was relatively a lot of talk and little walk. Post the civil rights era, what did they do? They sat back malaised until Clinton came along. In the meantime, the Republicans became a more us versus them party with the infiltration of those who were angry at the civil rights movement and a dislike for advancing and the religious right (which its neither).
Ronald Reagan going to Philadelphia MS today to make his annoucement for President with a speech talking about welfare queens and Cadillacs, or states rights, would have him cheered on by todays Republicans but, in the same position as Tom Tancredo. Angry and out of touch.
Hell, Reagan was rejected four years early as being too conservative and was called out of touch with mainstream America by Bob Dole and Gearge H.W. Bush.
However, in 1980, he tapped in to that anger from the civil rights movement and whites having to share equality, and rode it to the White House.
Bravo for him.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:06 PM
The Democrat party has not advanced, it is the party of division and hate DJZ. Your posts alone clearly show the hate that is the Democrat party today. You talk about angry and all I see on this site is angry Democrats posting thier hate and discontent with what they have (or don’t have). You pretend to be Robin Hood but in reality you are more like Stalin.
It is obvious that you lack the experience that life provides to those who have open eyes and an open heart. You see those that don’t agree with your limited view of issues as evil instead of someone to talk to and understand. You refuse to be open minded and refuse to try to understand other points of views. In it your way or the highway. That my friend is facism and you wear it well.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:56 PM
The Democrat party has not advanced, it is the party of division and hate DJZ. Your posts alone clearly show the hate that is the Democrat party today. You talk about angry and all I see on this site is angry Democrats posting thier hate and discontent with what they have (or don’t have). You pretend to be Robin Hood but in reality you are more like Stalin.
It is obvious that you lack the experience that life provides to those who have open eyes and an open heart. You see those that don’t agree with your limited view of issues as evil instead of someone to talk to and understand. You refuse to be open minded and refuse to try to understand other points of views. In it your way or the highway. That my friend is facism and you wear it well.
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This on a website called…Minnesota Democrats Exposed?
Even in your undressing of me pointing out my limited view doesn’t allow for civil conversation, you throw in I’m Stalin-like and portray the fashion of a fascist.
You expect a civil well-toned response after that?
That’s an example of what we go through on here daily if we dare post. Yours is at least PG. I have yet to see the likes Chestnut disagree without spitting and foaming expletives.
No offense to Hiram but, its a lost cause to seek favor with the regular conservative posters on here. I don’t care if you find me worthy, or not ‘like other liberals’, or a moderate as opposed to what? A Democrat?
You all actually believe that your political views are the only American views and answers. All else are not just anti-American but, hateful toward America (though week after week Republicans continue to show their racism toward other Americans). That’s a sweeping, de-humanizing insult that’s fighting words.
So, you’ll excuse me if I walk with fakeness through these threads.
You and your kind have no respect toward me or my views and I refuse to pretend like you do.
Again, the name of this blog is?
July 13th, 2009 at 1:40 PM
“You all actually believe that your political views are the only American views and answers. All else are not just anti-American but, hateful toward America (though week after week Republicans continue to show their racism toward other Americans). That’s a sweeping, de-humanizing insult that’s fighting words.”
Since you state the above as if it were fact DJZ please point out any of my comments that reflect what you posted. I believe that the views you post here are facist and close minded. In the topic about Waltz you admit that you do not care to listen to conservative points of view and claim that MSNBC is good to listen to. That explains your hate filled diatribes.
It is people like you DJZ that is dragging the Democrat party down and will be the cause of its defeats in 2010 and 2012. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the fact that people like you exist and are willing to be so vocal. You help prove my point about the extemes the Democrat party has gone to when talking to my Democrat friends. You give me the reference that they can see to prove that I am speaking the truth.
It’s because people like you exist that this blog exists. When you and your far left opinions go away so does this blog. Keep up the good work DJZ, you give us the forum we need to accomplish what we must.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:52 PM
DJZ …in 1980, (Reagan) tapped in to that anger from the civil rights movement and whites having to share equality, and rode it to the White House.
Whoa – that’s the first time I’ve ever heard that one! Reagan won because Carter was a weak president, as the economy was worse than in 1976 and the unresolved issue of the hostages in Iran.
That was my first vote for president and I guess I don’t remember things the way you do … if you even voted that year?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Too young to vote job10 but there were plenty of reporters and tv cameras around back then. Do your own research and show me where I’m wrong. Reagan tapped into the angry white voter who thought Democrats were catering too much to blacks.
Your blue collar whites, didn’t like the idea of having to compete with blacks for the decent paying jobs too. They didn’t like the equal opportunity clauses and the desegregation and the attacks on redlining so they packed up and left the cities (kept the jobs though)put their kids in the suburban schools or private schools and begin buying into the ‘real American’ talk.
30 years today, the only GOP strongholds are in states that have a horrible record on race relations. Reagan kicked it off in Philadelphia Mississippi a town that was ONLY known for the lynching of civil rights workers who came down to register blacks to vote less than 20 years ago (at the time). Reagan stood there in that town and talked about ‘states rights’:
“What we have to do is bring back the recognition that the people of this country can solve its problems. I still believe the answer to any problem lies with the people. I believe in state’s rights and I believe in people doing as much as they can for themselves at the community level and at the private level. I believe we have distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended to be given in the Constitution to that federal establishment.”
You’re deluding yourself if you think that was an innocent choice of words in a town that was known for taking the ‘ultimate’ action against the federal government.
States Rights was code for segregation plain and simple.
Elsewhere it was the appeal to anti-affirmative action, anti-school desegregation crowd participating in the white flight from the cities.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:03 PM
DJZ,
Having grownup in the midwest – race wasn’t even a minor issue for us. It was, as always, the economy (20% interest rates) and national defense – the hostages in Iran.
Reagan is correct, all rights not specifically given to the federal government are reserved to the states, which is the way it should be. Have you read the Federalist Papers?
Believing that your views are the only reason Reagan was elected, would be the same as someone stating that the only reason Obama was elected was because he is black….which is of course not true.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Your ignorance amazes me DJZ. You need to study more than just the left wing information from the time. I voted for Reagan because he had a plan for turning the economy around and he made me feel good about my country. He was not a loser like Carter. I have never felt threatened by any minority.
You would thing that someone who is educated would know better. I guess that is why so many of the liberal elite are college graduates. They have only heard one side of the story and were too lazy (or stoned) to check out the other side.
Amazing DJZ, simply amazing.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:00 PM
AC, are yo accusing someone else of changing screen names? Where have “Bob” and “In the Loop” been? (You know, your other screen names)
July 13th, 2009 at 8:12 PM
DJZ, stop rewriting history. Employment and income for blacks increased faster whites in in the 1980s’.
States right’s is code state’s rights. Especially the rights for states to outlaw abortion.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:18 PM
chile..
“Employment and income for blacks increased faster whites in in the 1980s’”
Translation please?
July 14th, 2009 at 12:26 AM
“Employment and income for blacks increased faster than it did for whites in the 1980s’â€
There you have it Mr. Queer Eye for the Dotted “i”.
Liberal danbrome, please translate what you mean when you call yourself a “moderate democrat.”
Tell us some moderate positions you hold.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Haha.
White anger has been the base of republican activism since 1948 when Democrat Strom Thurmond and several other southern Democrats, walked out of the Democratic National Convention over their protest for the party new support of civil rights. They nominated Strom to be their Presidential candidate on the Dixecrat ticket. Eventually over the next 20 years, most of them switched to the Republican Party.
Goldwater tapped into it a bit in 1964, Nixon drilled a well into it in 1968 by demonizing activist for civil rights as a counter culture to good hard working Americans. 11 years later when Reagan ran again, the country had been through the civil rights era, school desegregation, Voting Rights Act and affirmative action, all strongly enforced by the feds.
Ronald Reagan going to Philadelphia Mississippi to make his announcement had one point of significance – Mississippi Burning. He unashamedly went to the heart of violence and hatred, to promise less interference from the federal government.
He wasn’t from MS. It wasn’t even the capitol of the state. It was a small town where the whites did not like the idea of blacks voting and the feds making them honor the constitution, o the killed some young volunteers helping with voter registration. That’s the stage Reagan set to announce his presidential campaign.
That’s the history, doesn’t matter if you were in college or yet to be born, those are the facts. You can assume why he did it but, the evidence of the times points to one thing. Race.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:31 AM
I always get a kick out of this type of story, the old time DFLer who thinks the party has gotten just too darn liberal. It’s just that it is so contrary to my experience. Whenever I talk to the old timers, I am always surprised, and often a bit shocked at how far to the left they are. The party these days is much more moderate, often frustratingly so, because moderation is often a difficult place from which to start when dealing with a radical agenda.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:50 AM
So, there you have it, according to DJZ all Republicans are card carrying members of the KKK.
DJZ is the official kool-aid man of the DFL. You have some real issues that you need to deal with buddy. Someone has filled your head with so much hatred of Republicans that there is no way anyone could have a reasonable discussion with you.
Maybe it’s only personal experience, but for me I’ve never met a conservative or Republican that is the racist you paint them to be. But, I have met more than my share of die hard democrats that are major league racists.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Instead of doing independent research lazy DJZ sites back are repeats the same old lies from the Democrats. job10 is correct, I have met very few conservative racists but I have heard many Democrats that I know use racist language, not to mention sexist language.
DJZ you need to get out of you ivory tower and meet real people some time. Conservatives and Liberal. If you only associate with people like yourself you will never expand your knowledge and are doomed to be a closed minded uninformed individual forever.
I am always amazed at how close minded liberals are, they refuse to listen to other opinions. I hope that some day you open your mind and see the facts for yourself DJZ. I can’t believe that someone like you is so willingly lead around by the liberal masters.
Don’t be afraid to learn DJZ, embrace knowledge and it will set you free.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:12 AM
chile,
I have no idea who “in the loop” is, and my son, who posts under “Bob,” is marching in a drum and bugle corps this summer. He’s been with them since mid-May and I doubt he’s had time to surf the web at all this summer.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Chile,
Also, I have not heard Focussed on 2010 deny my claim that he/she is Pete.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Whatever. You don’t have to wear a robe, or even burn a cross to tap into white anger. You just want them to think the Democrats support blacks more than them through policies aimed at addressing past wrongs and equaling the playing field.
I love how many conservatives talk about the only racists they know are liberals. Yet, every week there is another story of a GOP staffer or elected official showing the racists colors. This week? Your choice, the new chair of the Young Republicans or the flack on Free Republic over a fucking shirt an eleven years was wearing. My favorite is that idiot Jeff Sessions. Want to know why he failed to get the nomination- he’s dumber than shit. He was somewhere in between disgraceful and embarrassing.
Palin’s rallies, teabagger’s parties, Limbaugh, FOXnews hosts all cater to the right and all are tinged with racism. Its the sweetner in your kool-aide.
Wanna go deep? Look at the Board of Education in Texas and what they are trying to do to history books (replacing Thurgood Marshall with Sam Houston? Why not have both?).
Did Ronald Reagan kick off his campaign in Philadelphia Ms and used terms like ‘states rights’? Google ‘states rights’ of talk to someone who was conscience in the south between the 50s and 90s.
Its not Reagan so much as the Party has taken this path.
What was the runner-up to Michael Steele problem? An all white country club in 2008?!?! WTF?
When this stuff becomes public, and you guys defend it, or kick around the credibility of nobody like me, your problem grows. As your problem with race grows, your party shrinks to the size of a joke.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:20 PM
The only people that are hung up on race are the Democrats DJZ. Republicans have no interest in race, just an interest in good policy and fairness for all. As far as I am concerned people like you are bigots and racists DJZ.
You folks have decided that minorities cannot get ahead with out your help. I believe that everyone can get ahead if the goverment does not put up road blocks. For some reason you call that racist. I call that respecting individuals.
Tell me DJZ, how many minorities have you hired and trained? How many immigrants have you hired and trained to be sucessfull in business? How many women have you hired and promoted to responsible positions? How many young people new to the work force have you mentored?
I have done plenty of each. Everyone of them got along fine without goverment intervention. People like you are afraid to let these people succeed without your intervention because it means you lose power.
It is not about your party gaining power DJZ, it is about people learning and believing in what they can do themselves. You make excuses for them and set them up for failure so that they can blame someone else.
What you do is a disgrace. You and people like you should be ashamed.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:11 AM
Hmmmm, I go to the polls and vote the same with over 90% blacks, 80% hispanics, and most of the women. We do fine on recruiting, contracting and hiring women and people of color.
You have answered nothing.
I repeat, why is it that every week there is at least one national story of the republicans racist roots showing through?
You can pretend like its not happening or no one will notice but, you got a lot overt racist in your party. Saying Democrats want to keep minorities poor is a deflection that is just a philosophical viewpoint. You got any Dems saying that? Standing by that? No. Do I have Republicans acting like their true roots- we all do. Keep pretending that a party set up for angry white males is going to last.
When I say Reagan tapped into that racism for votes and show examples, you ignore it. He did. Doesn’t matter what you think of the Gipper, like Bill Clinton in SC last year, he wasn’t above tapping into racism to gain an edge.
http://gawker.com/5308514/young-republican-leader-finds-racism-lol+worthy
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/racist_gop_mailing_depicts_obama_surrounded_by_kfc/
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/candidate_for_rnc_chair_was_me.php
http://www.nashvilleistalking.com/2009/06/sen-diane-blacks-r-gallatin-legislative-aid-circulates-racist-email/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/27/gop-blasts-magic-negro-cd-distributed-republican-operative/
http://www.thestate.com/politics/story/830664.html
http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/fl-gop-chair-sends-out-racist-e-mail-
http://www.bluevirginia.us/2009/05/republican-women-of-clifton-make-racist.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/local/stories/060309dnmetgopemail.4568316.html
http://www.mediaite.com/online/conservative-blog-commenters-target-malia-obama-with-racial-slurs/#more-1118
Yeah, its the liberals that are the real racists.
Keep it pure.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:10 AM
When a Republican says something it is called racist by the MSM. When a Democrat says the same thing the MSM provides cover for the liberal. If you had one honest bone in your body DJZ you would admit that. Just because liberals claim a statement is racist does not make it so.
Your comments and focus on race prove that you are a racist DJZ. The first line in your last comment proves my point. You focus solely on race. I focus on the person. I am a conservative, you are a liberal.
You may hire people that have already had the benefit of a college education and dollars received from social programs but that is meaningless. I’m willing to bet you have never personally gone out of your way to mentor someone who had nothing and guided them through the beginning of a successfull career mostly due to their personal efforts.
People like you take no personal responsibility for helping others, you want the goverment to deal with it so you don’t have to dirty your lily white hands.
“Keep it pure”? I would like to know how that applies to me DJZ.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Joe Biden = Obama is the first clean articulate African American
Joe Biden = His own town has been over run with Indian immigrants.
Sotomayor = Latino KKK
Keith Hakim Ellison = anti-semite.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Don’t forget the Rev. Wright, President Obama’s spiritual mentor. He not only hates whites he goes after Jew’s as well. Poor guy can’t seem to find any group he likes except for blacks.
But I’m sure that is OK with DJZ. As long as you are a Democrat it doesn’t matter to liberals.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Focused2014, you don’t know my business or family. Tale a look at either and you look the fool. You are in the same category as Chile and Chestnut, except they are more honest about their stupidity.
Wright is the only names with a real racist statements and no doubt views. last I checked he wasn’t elected to anything or holding a party office, like every example provided above for the Republicans. Its in your party man. Also, if you want to talk about race-baiting religious leaders, I have a shitload on Bob Jones U and the Focus on the Family not to mention the Promise Keepers.
Chile shows why you all are do far gone, you don’t what racism is. You can try and change the definition but people who are affected and hurt by the Republican racism are not falling for it.
The only you’ve done is give yourselves comfort among bigots and racists.
Talking about race or even focusing on it is not a racist. Assigning one value over another, or below another and acting on that is racism.
Saying the jails are full of blacks is not racist. That’s akin to what Biden said. Saying Blacks are criminal and should be treated as such, is racist. Pulling up stakes and moving away from a black family is racist. Knowingly join a club that doesn’t accept blacks is racist (providing the opportunity was not there for tjem to join). Making jokes is fine, unless you intertwine it with truth or slurs. We all make jokes.
Catering to white fear and hate is racist. Its the MO of the Republicans.
You boys haven’t disputed one historical fact I wrote.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:53 PM
From the WSJ…
“I am a former Kleagle [recruiter] of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County. . . . The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state in the union.”
–Robert C. Byrd, 1946
Democratic Senator from West Virginia, 1959-present
His portrait stands in the U.S. Capitol.
“I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia [Sen. Robert C. Byrd, a former Ku Klux Klan recruiter] that he would have been a great senator at any moment. . . . He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this nation.”
–Sen. Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.), 2004
Chairman, Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
Candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, 2008
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”
–Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1957
“I’m not going to use the federal government’s authority deliberately to circumvent the natural inclination of people to live in ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods. . . . I have nothing against a community that’s made up of people who are Polish or Czechoslovakian or French-Canadian or blacks who are trying to maintain the ethnic purity of their neighborhoods.”
–Jimmy Carter, 1976
President, 1977-81
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, 2002
“The Confederate Memorial has had a special place in my life for many years. . . . There were many, many times that I found myself drawn to this deeply inspiring memorial, to contemplate the sacrifices of others, several of whom were my ancestors, whose enormous suffering and collective gallantry are to this day still misunderstood by most Americans.”
–James Webb, 1990
Democratic Senator from Virginia
* “You cannot go into a Dunkin’ Donuts or a 7-Eleven unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
* “My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth largest black population in the country. My state is anything [but] a Northeastern liberal state.”
* “I mean, you got the first mainstream African American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy.”
* “There’s less than 1% of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4% or 5% that is, are minorities. What is it in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with.”
Sen. Joseph Biden Jr., (D., Del.), 2006-07
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary, 1987-95
Chairman, Committee on Foreign Relations
Current VP of the United State
July 15th, 2009 at 1:03 PM
I think DJZ’s “keep it pure” comment is as blatant a racist comment as I’ve ever heard. What is it you plan to keep so ‘pure’?
If I remember right that was one of Archie Bunker’s lines, who was clearly a bigot and a racist.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:15 PM
DJZ’s posts are certainly racist. I find his posts show that he is not only a racist but a bigot.
He claims that Republicans cater to white fear (what is it exactly that I am supposed to be afraid of anyway?) while the Democrats clearly cater to minority fear. In fact they do what they can to make the white race look evil while making minority races look stupid, ignorant and incapable of taking care of themselves.
You can try and change the definition of racism DJZ but in the end it means only one thing and that is what your party thrives on.
It is a pity Democrats can’t win by telling the truth but then again you have to know the truth in order to tell it.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Keep it pure- your party and ideology.
Its getting older, whiter and angrier.
You have to go back to the days of the Dixcrats to and you only use one example.
Post civil rights the Republicans or Confederate Ol’ Party (COP) has kept the beacon of racism shining strong.
Your purge of RINOs and any republican that may care about civil rights of other Americans is one way you keep it pure.
Minorities on any level do NOT support republicans. Educated people overall, did not support republicans. Young idealistic people do not support republicans.
Isn’t it obvious who doesn’t get race?
Only a republican can say it doesn’t matter, Democrats know it shouldn’t matter but, it still does and work toward making race not matter. Republicans speak empty words and produce zero deeds and there they stand, a party void of many of the American faces.
And your types are advocating going even more conservative. Keep it pure COP.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:29 PM
DJZ – you were the one that used the term keeping it pure in the context of your own feelings. Don’t try and turn it around to mean something else.
DJZ – closet racist and bigot that wants to “keep it pure”
July 15th, 2009 at 9:50 PM
It is difficult to have a discussion with such close minded people. DJZ merely repeats the Democrat lines they have been using for decades to divide and conquer. Unfortunately they have convinced so many groups of people that without them they can not succeed.
I really don’t see how people like you can look yourself in the mirror each morning DJZ. It is all about power with people like you isn’t it DJZ. You won’t be happy until you have silenced all opposing voices. The definition of Facism clearly defines your movement DJZ.
Facism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
I supprised someone like you thinks like Hitler and Mussolini.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:12 PM
The lack of reading comprehension skills on this forum continues to amaze me. When DJZ mentioned “keep it pure,” I’m pretty sure it was a sarcastic comment about the GOP. But in typical fashion, the haters on this board try to flip that around and twist it to make it sound like something else.
Give it a rest. It’s not working.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:30 PM
AC, coming from someone who compared an African-American to a monkey, that’s high praise for DJZ.
July 16th, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Again, you are confused. I think it was Pete who first introduced the monkey concept due to his poor reading comprehension skills. Nice try. Fail.
July 16th, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Failure2010 said:
Unfortunately they have convinced so many groups of people that without them they can not succeed.
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This is yet another example of why the Republicans ‘don’t get it’.
To actually believe that statement he wrote, you have start off believing that you/whites are smarter than minorities because they can be convinced as a group to do something that’s detrimental to them over and over.
You’d really have to ignore all of the race insulting and dividing tactics over the decades by the GOP.
Let me put in the tone that another one of your innocent spokespersons(Chestnut) like to use:
You are your ilk are delusional disgusting pieces of shit. You open your mouth and the bullshit oozes out by the pound. Shut up, listen and accept history or you will always be dreaming of the future where you have earned America’s trust to let you govern over its people.
July 16th, 2009 at 10:49 AM
So AC – I guess it’s up to us the reader, to divine from your writing the true meaning of your words? You sound like John Kerry – just because I said it, it wasn’t what I said. Gimme a break.
AC – monkey racist
DJZ – pure racist
July 16th, 2009 at 10:59 AM
DJZ – you are very small hate filled person. I know you don’t care but I really feel sorry for you. To go through life with so much rage is just beyond me and unhealthy.
DJZ – the reincarnation of Benito Mussolini and leader of the fascist movement in the mid west.
July 16th, 2009 at 11:03 AM
DJZ did not deny that he “thinks like Hitler and Mussolini”.
DJZ does not deny that the Democrats “have convinced so many groups of people that without them they can not succeed” and claims it is because “whites are smarter than minorities because they can be convinced as a group to do something that’s detrimental to them over and over”.
DJZ: Guilty as charged.
July 16th, 2009 at 11:18 AM
DJZ said “Shut up, listen and accept history” Hmmm, in other words “I am always right and you are always wrong.” Sure sounds like a typical inclusive liberal and fascist statement to me.
DJZ – the reincarnation of Benito Mussolini and leader of the fascist movement in the mid west.
July 16th, 2009 at 3:02 PM
DJZ – here’s one of your leaders showing what a true racist she really is….
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July 16th, 2009 at 3:45 PM
“DJZ does not deny he shits diamond Tiffany cuff links.”
You’re more than welcome to sift through it and prove it one way or another.
Its exactly what you’re trying to get me to do.
Attacking those who point out the racism in your thinking (like “the Democrats have tricked groups into voting for them”) and your leaders (too many to list) will do nothing to stop the bleeding of membership, ideas and credibility that the Republicans are certainly immersed in right now.
You’ve done it so long, you have no idea how to personally reflect without blaming the Democrats for your situation as a party.
Go back 43 years and study the Southern Strategy. Then come back and try to sell us that states rights is not code. Read up on the southern strategy and explain any other significance for Ronald Reagan using the backdrop of Philadelphia MS. A fmr California Governor from Illinois.
July 16th, 2009 at 3:47 PM
39 posts later and not honest one among you who can admit that racism in the party.
July 16th, 2009 at 5:37 PM
DJZ – watch the video of Sen Boxer – I’m sure you will see nothing wrong with her behavior and that, is the point.
I think racism exists in both parties to some extent – more in the democrat party than you will admit.
The problem here is your bigoted comments, suggest that ALL Republicans are racist, are just wrong.
You are a hate filled person.
July 16th, 2009 at 5:41 PM
So DJZ – I take you don’t agree with our constitution that all rights not reserved for the federal government should reside with the states?
July 16th, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Never said all.
I never said even said the ones I named are racist.
I said you have a racist tangent in your party that is based in some white voters views toward the government and minorities.
None of you are out in front trying to speak truth to that mindset. You are more than willing to tap into it to win elections.
You or focused have done absolutely nothing to dispute it. You’ve just tried to turn the table and attack me.
It doesn’t change the problem that to the underclass, and minorities, the Republicans do not represent them. It doesn’t change the fact that most Americans think the Republicans do not represent them.
That’s alarming.
July 16th, 2009 at 5:44 PM
I agree with the Constitution.
I don’t agree with the perversions done in its name (like flag burning and Jim Crow).
July 16th, 2009 at 7:26 PM
The Americans that you speak of DJZ do not think the Republicans represent them think so because of lies told by the likes of you. The Democrats claim that the Republican party is racist and that is simply not true.
Checkout the party platform. Then check out the Democrat party platform if you can find one (I’ve been trying for years with no luck).
There are racist in every political party and I am willing to bet there are not more Republican racists then there are Democrat racists. The difference is the Democrats scream racism in order to avoid talking about the real issues because they know people will not vote Democrat if they really knew what they stand for these days.
Now thats alarming.