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BREAKING NEWS FROM THE MN GOP: “IT’S OFFICIAL: DFL PARTY CONFIRMS GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDACIES OF COLEMAN, RYBAK”
By Aaron Cocking | September 24, 2009
St. Paul- Republican Party of Minnesota Chairman Tony Sutton today issued the following statement after the DFL Party confirmed in a news release that St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman and Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak are “candidates” for governor.
“It’s official: the DFL Party has confirmed that St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman and Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak are ‘candidates’ for governor. In a press release issued today by the DFL Party, Coleman and Rybak are listed as ‘candidates’ alongside ten fellow Democrats. I’m thankful to the DFL Party for ending the ridiculous charade that Coleman and Rybak are somehow not candidates for governor.”
DFL Party: Coleman & Rybak Are “Candidates”
DFL Party Press Release Lists Chris Coleman & R.T. Rybak As “Candidates” Alphabetically Alongside Tom Bakk, Mark Dayton, Matt Entenza, Susan Gaertner, Steve Kelley, Margaret Anderson Kelliher, John Marty, Tom Rukavina, Ole Savior and Paul Thissen. (Pioneer Press, City Hall Scoop Blog, http://www.cityhallscoop.com, September 24, 2009)
Flashback: Liberal Group Calls Coleman & Rybak “Candidates” Earlier Today
“St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman may not be ready to call himself a candidate for the 2010 governor’s race yet — but increasingly those on the left aren’t holding back. Today, TakeAction Minnesota announced candidate Coleman — that’s 2010 gubernatorial candidate Coleman — would attend this Saturday’s launch of its ‘campaign to elect a progressive governor in 2010.’ Today’s news release states that those attending the event at Arlington High School in St. Paul include: Gubernatorial candidates (Anderson-Kelliher, Bakk, Coleman, Dayton, Entenza, Gaertner, Kelley, Marty, Rukavina, Rybak, Thissen)’” (Pioneer Press, City Hall Scoop Blog, http://www.cityhallscoop.com, September 24, 2009)
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September 25th, 2009 at 6:28 am
I think when the Republican establishment heard about Ms. Ng’s issue they were forced to scramble a bit. As I suggested earlier, attacks on Coleman for absenteeism from Ng can easily be turned against the governor, who hasn’t been around much lately either. So a change in strategy was needed. The issue is no longer whether Coleman has been out of town too much. Instead, the issue is that while out of town, Coleman has been campaigning for governor. The problem with this seems to be that probably after a considerable amount of data mining, the Republicans didn’t find any evidence of Coleman actually campaigning for governor. So what to do? Well, if Coleman wouldn’t help out the theory that he was campaigning for governor, by doing anything actually resembling a campaign for governor, the next and perhaps the only thing left for them to do is to search DFL press releases for something that says what they need to have said. Of course, we all know that the DFL doesn’t speak for Coleman or any other prospective candidate, in this uncomfortable situation, the best Republicans can do to get out of the pickle they have managed to put themselves in, is to pretend that it does, and hope no one notices.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Hiram, you just spent 200+ words on jibberish.
“attacks on Coleman for absenteeism from Ng”
Nonsense, the issue she’s made is that he’s running for mayor and governor at the same time. Republicans aren’t in a pickle hear, Chris Coleman is. What the GOP has been doing and will continue to do, is highlight the issue. It’s a no-brainer.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:05 am
“Coleman is feathering the nests of DFL party units outside St. Paul with campaign cash. It’s time for Coleman to finally admit what we all suspected: he’s totally checked out as mayor,â€
That’s Ms. Ng’s original charge as quoted from this board. The idea that he has been using mayoral campaign funds was a later revision.
The problem is that Republicans don’t care about the mayor’s race in St. Paul any more than I do. But now it turns out that the Republican place holder candidate in that race is something of a loose cannon making commitments and charges that other Republicans they do care about might be held responsible for. Tim Pawlenty doesn’t want to provide the detailed information about campaign expenditures Ms. Ng is demanding from Coleman. And I can’t imagine that he is all that thrilled that a Republican is raising concerns about the absenteeism of elected officials.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:43 am
“feathering the nests” And it turns out he was feathering them with a slush fund he suck off his mayoral campaign. Just as you knew that was likely the case, so did Eva. It wasn’t until CC filed his expenses was their a paper trail to point to.
Hiram, Pawlenty is not running for Governor. CC is running for Mayor and Governor. Pawlenty has nothing to do with this, except in you troubled mind.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Hiram, if I were a liberal I would say you are attacking Eva because you are a racist.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Hiram,
Even though we nearly always disagree, I enjoy debating you because you’re usually an honest debater. However, it is absurd for you to say that Coleman’s St. Paul Mayoral campaign expenditures around the state have anything to do with him running for the Mayor of St. Paul. It’s abundantly clear to any reasonable person that Chris Coleman is using his mayoral campaign account as a slush fund to run for governor.
As I’ve previously posted, a legislator running for governor cannot use their legislative campaign account for such activity. That’s why nearly all of the legislators who are serious about running for governor have opened seperate campaign accounts.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Chris, I was waiting for Hiram to cite the slaughterhouse cases Chris Coleman’s right to travel.
Instead, he’s playing the game where he is offering the GOP advice as if he has there best interests in mind.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:35 am
“if I were a liberal I would say you are attacking Eva because you are a racist.”
Feel free. I am very thick skinned.
But just a bit more seriously, I don’t mean anything here to be an attack on Ms. Ng. I have great respect for anyone who runs for public office, and my criticisms and observations should in any way detract from that. I can’t wish her victory, but I do wish her well, and a good campaign focused on issues that matter for St. Paul.
In response to Chris, I think for the moment Coleman’s present campaign for mayor, and possible future campaign for governor are inextricably mixed. I wouldn’t say that his mayor money is being used for the gubernatorial campaign unless it is clear that’s the case. That is, for example, if he were appearing at Coleman for governor rallies. But that’s just me.
Legislators find it easier to set up campaign accounts for governor, because at the moment they aren’t running for the legislature. I imagine that soon after the St. Paul election Coleman will open his gubernatorial account if he still wants to run, which incidentally is by no means certain.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Hiram,
In some ways you’re right. Legislators have to choose between running for the legislature or running for something else because the elections are at the same time.
But where your analysis falls flat is on the money end of things. It’s clear that Chris Coleman is exploring running for governor — even if he is, in fact, nor running for governor. It’s also clear that his expenditures around the state have nothing to do with running for the Mayor of St. Paul. Coleman should open an exploratory committee for governor. Legislators have to do this. They cannot mix activities between their legislative campaign funds and a run or exploring a run for governor.
I think the party was wise to ask Ramsey County for an advisory opinion on this issue. Personally, I don’t care whether Coleman is running for mayor at the same time he wants to be governor. But what bothers me is that he’s clearly using his mayoral campaign fund as a de facto fund to run for governor. I don’t think that’s ethical and it might be illegal.
September 25th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Things are clearer to you than they are to me. For one thing running a good and solid campaign for mayor of St. Paul is the first essential step for his run for the governor. He may well want to ads that introduce himself to a wider constituency. And there is no doubt that he is getting some support for his mayor’s race for people who ultimately want to help his run for governor.
“But what bothers me is that he’s clearly using his mayoral campaign fund as a de facto fund to run for governor.”
What specifically bothers you about that? And how can he avoid that? Do you think his ads should say, “I am running for mayor, not governor.” Should he tell contributors that if in their hearts, they feel he might run for governor some day, they shouldn’t help out his run for mayor now?
On the other side of the fence, when Gov. Pawlenty ran for re-election in 2006, there was lots of talk about the possibility of a vice presidential nomination in 2008, and that he might ultimately run for president. I think he got a lot of support for that nationally, and I don’t think there was anything particularly wrong with that.
September 25th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
“Coleman should open an exploratory committee for governor.”
That wouldn’t do anything at all to solve the problem you are finding. People would still contribute to the campaign Coleman is running, the one for mayor, rather than the one he really isn’t right now, which is the one for governor.
September 25th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Hiram, “People would still contribute to the campaign Coleman is running, the one for mayor, rather than the one he really isn’t right now, which is the one for governor.”
So what you’re saying is, if Coleman start an official run for governor before the mayoral election, no one would donate to his gubernatorial campaign. I would find that hard to believe.
September 25th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Hiram,
I’m sorry but you’re really stretching here. I don’t care who gives what to whom. What I care about is that donations and spending are legal and ethical. There are strict spending and fundraising limits when a candidate runs for governor. Those limits are monitored by the MN Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board. The board has no jurisdiction over Chris Coleman’s mayoral campaign fund.
Let me ask you a question: why should a candidate running for one office be able to use that money to campaign for another? If a charity raised money for one purpose and spent it on another, the public would be outraged — and rightly so. This is bait and switch at its worst. Further, Chris Coleman as the incumbent mayor of St. Paul already has a campaign war chest built up. Allowing him to use that war chest to run for governor puts Coleman at an unfair advantage over his counterparts who can’t legally use their campaign funds for another purpose.
Hiram, Chris Coleman should have to go out and pound the pavement for dollars and votes just like everyone else. I think what he’s doing is unethical at the highest level and it may also be illegal.
September 25th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
I think Hiram and the rest of the DFL would have a different view if Governor Pawlenty had used his campaign cash to mount a candidacy for President. Instead, Pawlenty gave his campaign dollars to charity and to the Republican Party.
September 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
“So what you’re saying is, if Coleman start an official run for governor before the mayoral election, no one would donate to his gubernatorial campaign.”
No, what I am saying is what I said. Coleman isn’t running a campaign for governor right now so it’s pointless to speculate what form such a campaign would take.
“There are strict spending and fundraising limits when a candidate runs for governor.”
Strictly speaking then, Coleman isn’t running for governor.
“Why should a candidate running for one office be able to use that money to campaign for another?”
Because it’s impossible to separate the two, and Coleman has every right to run for mayor.
“If a charity raised money for one purpose and spent it on another, the public would be outraged — and rightly so.”
Not as much as you think. When I contribute money to charity, I trust the charity. They may have intended the contribution to go to one thing, but if a greater need emerges, I trust them to reallocate my contribution. I expect much the same is true for Coleman. Indeed I suspect that as a mayoral candidate who might run for governor, he is getting a lot more in contributions than he would as just a mayoral candidate alone.
It’s never a level playing field. Coleman in fact has little chance of winning the election. Neither Kelliher nor Entenza would trade places with him.
“I think Hiram and the rest of the DFL would have a different view if Governor Pawlenty had used his campaign cash to mount a candidacy for President.”
Had the governor decided to run for re-election next year, he would have been in the same position Coleman is now. As it is, I believe a lot of decisions Gov. Pawlenty has been making have been with an eye towards running for president. You can expect a certain amount of partisan grousing about that, but hopefully nobody on our side will be having cows over it.
September 25th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Hiram,
It’s amazing watching you twist yourself into knots. When it comes to state spending, you insist that the governor is breaking the law by un-alloting dollars our state doesn’t have to spend.
But when it comes to a DFL politician using his political account for one campaign as a slush fund for a different campaign, you say he should be trusted. I don’t naturally trust politicians — especially DFL ones. Chris Coleman’s travels to Alexandria, Rochester and elsewhere have nothing to do with his mayoral campaign. If Chris Coleman wants to travel around the state campaigning for governor or talk to people about running for governor, he should open up an exploratory committee like all of his opponents have.
Your comparison to Pawlenty is also misguided. If Pawlenty wanted to run for governor again in 2010 and run for President in 2012, he would have to establish a Presidential Exploratory Committee like everyone else does.
Which begs the question, why does Chris Coleman think he’s above everyone else and when will his DFL opponents raise this as an issue in the campaign?
September 25th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
“But when it comes to a DFL politician using his political account for one campaign as a slush fund for a different campaign, you say he should be trusted.”
If I didn’t trust a candidate, I wouldn’t contribute to his campaign. And in the extremely unlikely event that I did contribute to Coleman’s I would want him to use the money as efficiently as possible, to help him win his race for mayor, while advancing his campaign for governor.
Was Chris campaigning in any of those places, by the way? Or was he raising money?
“Your comparison to Pawlenty is also misguided. If Pawlenty wanted to run for governor again in 2010 and run for President in 2012, he would have to establish a Presidential Exploratory Committee like everyone else does.”
Oh sure, but I bet he would have waited until after the 2010 election to set up the exploratory committee.
“why does Chris Coleman think he’s above everyone else and when will his DFL opponents raise this as an issue in the campaign?”
Well, ego goes with the territory. I don’t think DFL candidates will raise this issue, because I don’t think they think it’s much of an issue. Just like Coleman, they have all been taking whatever opportunities to travel the state that have been made available to them. I am sure the same is true on the Republican side.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Hiram,
You want Chris Coleman to spend his money efficiently? That’s a load of bull. The people who give money to Chris Coleman’s mayoral race are donating to someone who they support as mayor. That has nothing to do with Coleman wanting to be governor. You said you want him to spend his money as efficiently as possible. But that’s a crock too. Being mayor and being governor are two different things. They require separate campaign committees. The requirement of a gubernatorial campaign committee is set in state law. I’m glad the GOP has asked for an advisory on this issue. I would hope they would pursue a complaint with the state Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board. Minnesota has a reputation of having some of the strictest campaign finance laws in the state — and for good reason. Coleman’s activities certainly violate the spirit of those laws if not the letter.
The DFL and GOP candidates for governor traveling the state are raising and spending money from their governor campaign accounts.
http://www.cfboard.state.mn.us/campfin/candcons.html
September 26th, 2009 at 6:30 am
“The people who give money to Chris Coleman’s mayoral race are donating to someone who they support as mayor.”
Of course that’s not true. Coleman would have a very hard time raising money if he were just running for mayor of St. Paul, a noncompetitive race. By talking about running for governor, he increases his appeal to potential contributors.
“Being mayor and being governor are two different things.”
Sure but running for them is pretty much the same thing, especially when the two elections are so close in time.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Thanks for providing the link. There are lots of Republicans I don’t see on the list. Norm Coleman, Jim Ramstad, Bill Cooper, Carol Molnau, Mary Kiffmeyer. All of those folks have talked about running for governor, yet they haven’t filed. Haven’t they heard about Minnesota’s strict election laws?
September 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Holden says:
“Sure but running for them is pretty much the same thing, especially when the two elections are so close in time.”
Mayor is a citywide election. Governor is a statewide. St. Paul votes votes 70% for Democrats. Minnesota hasn’t picked a DFL mayor in more than 20 years.
Chris Coleman’s name going to be the one on the ballot with a “(DFL)” next to it, and he had virtually no comptetition for that. If he want his name on the gubernatorial ballot, he’s going to have to fight for the next 8 months to get there. If he over comes the odds and does so, he then faces a Republican opponent, Republican have won for of the five past elections, Democrats haven’t won any.
While you may think running for the two separate offices is the same thing, CC has as much of a chance winning the Governor’s seat, as he does losing the mayoral election.
More importantly, the issue sets of the two races will be mutually exclusive for the most part.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Holden says:
“There are lots of Republicans I don’t see on the list. Norm Coleman, Jim Ramstad, Bill Cooper, Carol Molnau, Mary Kiffmeyer.”
Coleman and Ramstad have said they are not running for mayor. If you have information that any of the above are using money from another campaign, to travel around campaigning for governor, please entertain us.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:33 am
“Mayor is a citywide election. Governor is a statewide. St. Paul votes votes 70% for Democrats. Minnesota hasn’t picked a DFL mayor in more than 20 years.”
The offices are different but running for them is pretty much the same. You give speeches, you shake hands. you talk about the relationship between the city and state. I saw a lit piece for Rybak the other day. The office he was running for was barely mentioned.
I agree with you. I think Coleman has virtually no chance of winning the nomination. For all I know he may be making noises about running for governor in order to make sure that city issues are part of the discussion, something that is helped by his status as mayor.
“the issue sets of the two races will be mutually exclusive for the most part.”
That of course is purest nonsense. For one thing, political issues are “mutually exclusive” of each other. And for another, urban mayors and the state constantly deal with the same issues, very often with each other.
“Coleman and Ramstad have said they are not running for mayor.”
No, but they and the other possibilities I have listed have in varying degrees hinted at a run governor. If you argue that Coleman is obligated to create an exploratory committee based on those possibilities, why aren’t Cooper et al. required to do the same thing?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Hiram,
Sometimes you can be reasonable and have a reasonable conversation. This is not one of those times. None of the people you’ve cited are filing reports showing they are using campaign funds from another source to run for governor. And Ramstad and Molnau have already said no. It’s clear to any reasonable person that Chris Coleman is, in fact, running for governor.
And I beg to differ that people are giving Chris Coleman money for his mayoral race so he can turn around and use it to run for governor. There are a lot of reasons people donate money to incumbents. Virtual money laundering is not one of them.
September 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
“None of the people you’ve cited are filing reports showing they are using campaign funds from another source to run for governor.”
Indeed none of them have filed reports at all, the very same thing you are accusing Coleman of.
“I beg to differ that people are giving Chris Coleman money for his mayoral race so he can turn around and use it to run for governor.”
Of course they are. Why else would they contribute any significant amount of money to his mayoral campaign? I think if he didn’t run for governor, there would be a lot of unhappy donors out there.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
“Indeed none of them have filed reports at all, the very same thing you are accusing Coleman of.”
No Hiram, the accusations against CC are based on reports he has filed.
“I saw a lit piece for Rybak the other day. The office he was running for was barely mentioned.”
That’s because he’s running for two offices at the same time. If it was just Mayor, I’m sure that word would be highlighted.
The biggest difference between runnning for Mayor and Running for Governor. Governor requires traveling around the state, Mayor does not.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Governor requires traveling around the state, Mayor does not.
Is there a statute that says a candidate for mayor can’t leave the city limits? That he can only receive support from St. Paul residents?
September 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
And going back to the start of this thread, is the gist of Ms. Ng’s complaint that Coleman isn’t campaigning for mayor, campaigning for governor instead? I would think that would be in her interest.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Hiram,
We’ve gone around in circles over this. Chris Coleman is using his mayoral campaign account to run for governor. You see nothing wrong with this. I, and a lot of other folks do.
What’s interesting to me is that you’ve thrown many a fit on this blog over Pawlenty un-alloting programs approved by the DFL. What I find so ironic is that you think the governor has a duty to spend money we don’t have but you don’t care whether Chris Coleman is spending his campaign cash properly.
Finally, I beg to differ that people are giving Coleman money so he can run for governor. They are donating to his mayoral race because he’s running for mayor. Minnesota does not have a history of slush funds.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
“Is there a statute that says a candidate for mayor can’t leave the city limits? That he can only receive support from St. Paul residents?”
No, and I don’t think anyone have made those things an issue. The issue is that CC is billing his mayoral campgaign, for activities related to his gubernatorial campaign.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Chris, going back to Holden’s assertion … “Why else would they contribute any significant amount of money to his mayoral campaign?”
While Holden denies that CC is breaking campaign finance laws, it sure sounds like he’s making the argument that his fellow DFLers are culpable in doing just that.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:59 am
“Chris Coleman is using his mayoral campaign account to run for governor.
Well, I don’t really know that. Has he been going around the state giving speeches in front of “Coleman for governor” signs? Does he have a website up? Has he filed anything? Has he declared his candidacy? Has he done anything really done anything other than be a topic of speculation for the governor’s race?
“What’s interesting to me is that you’ve thrown many a fit on this blog over Pawlenty un-alloting programs approved by the DFL.”
The situations are not comparable. Campaign money isn’t government money. I will make a promise here and now. Gov. Pawlenty can spend his campaign money any way he likes.
“I beg to differ that people are giving Coleman money so he can run for governor. They are donating to his mayoral race because he’s running for mayor. Minnesota does not have a history of slush funds.”
People aren’t stupid.
I don’t know for a fact that Coleman isn’t breaking campaign laws. Do you have a particular statute you want to cite? And can you link me to a news story showing Coleman campaigning for governor?
September 28th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Holden says: “People aren’t stupid.” Many people are stupid, or in your case, blind from drinking the Koolaid.
Holden also says: “I don’t know for a fact that Coleman isn’t breaking campaign laws.”
It seems to me you’ve have umpteen post on this thread arguing that what CC has been doing is all fine and good. Are you backing off of that?
MDE has provided direct statements from the CC campaign, acknowledgeding that they may have discussed his Governor campaign on the dime of the Mayoral campaign. The GOP has taken the first step of calling CC out on his antics, and the second step of asking for an advisory opinion.
Even if CC is cleared in the campaign finance arena, there is still the issue that he is having his cake and eating it too. Most “people aren’t stupid.”
September 28th, 2009 at 7:22 am
“It seems to me you’ve have umpteen post on this thread arguing that what CC has been doing is all fine and good. Are you backing off of that?”
The burden of proof isn’t on me, because among other things, I can’t prove a negative. If you think Coleman is violating a law, direct me to it.
“MDE has provided direct statements from the CC campaign, acknowledging that they may have discussed his Governor campaign on the dime of the Mayoral campaign.”
Talking about stuff isn’t a crime. I bet Coleman talks about the Vikings sometimes too.
I sometimes wonder if I am the only person around here who has actually been involved in political campaigns. I have got to tell you, when you are out campaigning, the campaign that you are currently engaged in isn’t the only subject that comes up.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Holden, the proof is out there, at this point it is no one’s burden but Chris Coleman. At this point, it’s up for Chris Coleman to disprove a positive.
“Talking about stuff isn’t a crime. I bet Coleman talks about the Vikings sometimes too.”
Is Coleman spending his Mayoral funds to travel around Minnesota? He might be. He might also be talking about the weather. What we do know is that he is using his mayoral campaign fund to campaign for Governor.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Is Coleman spending his Mayoral funds to travel around Minnesota?
That of course is a whole different issue. When he is on St. Paul’s time he should mostly be doing St. Paul’s business. As for using campaign funds, nobody has been able to produce any evidence of that. Where are the stories about Coleman’s campaign for governor speeches? Where’s the website?
September 28th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Is Coleman spending his Mayoral funds to travel around Minnesota?
Yes, and his own campaign has acknowledged that he “may have” be talking about his run for Governor.
That’s not a non-denial denial, it’s an admission. Chris Coleman is dirty and you know it. Now go away my little moonbat friend.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:35 am
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September 30th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Yes, and his own campaign has acknowledged that he “may have†be talking about his run for Governor.
I talk about running for governor all the time. But that doesn’t mean I am.
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September 30th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Hiram, are you using you Mayoral campaign funds when you talk about running for Governor?
September 30th, 2009 at 9:34 am
“are you using you Mayoral campaign funds when you talk about running for Governor?”
Well, not mayoral campaign funds, but certainly campaign funds. There is no law that says you can’t talk politics while engaged in politics.